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General Forums => Achievement System => Topic started by: Oddball-CAF on December 29, 2012, 01:59:52 AM
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Nobody asked for it, but since I've been awarded what I personally see as a
kindergarten type "star" on my handle in-game, which I find embarrasing, I'm
tossin' my two cents in on this new "achievement" system.
First off, I started writing each of 'em down to transpose in here in
this post. However, after getting to 25 and seeing that there was still a hell
of a lot of "scroll bar" left, I just plain gave up.
Ramrodding my own squad with our own "achievement system" in place,
as well as compiling monthly stats on my herd, I'm fully aware of what is
ridiculously easy and what is not.
My first thoughts about this new "system" is a question of whether they are weekly based,
monthly based, or if one has "forever" to achieve 'em.
My second thoughts are that it is obvious that it was not a well thought out
new "feature". If HTC has paying customers who are actually embarassed to
see a kindergarten-like "star" on their "forehead" in-game, then there's a
problem. And trust me, HTC, I'm NOT the only guy feeling this way.
I know per one of HTC's posts that some of these are "tongue-in-cheek"?
I'd be interested to know just which of these they consider so and which
they think are "legitimate" and worthy of keeping/implementing.
I suggest there be an "opt in" or "opt out" part to the whole system.
My (cough) "favorite" is the "Bail out of a plane 25 times".
This is a guaranteed way to mold new players/customers, people who
are fresh to the game, who see that and see it as a positive thing.
Hell, it must be "cool to do" if you get an achievement for it.
I'll get the crap bashed out of me in follow up posts for this, I'm certain.
But, hell somebody's got to say it.
My suggestion is to pull out the entire "achievement system". Put some
-quality- time into it and think it through. Please don't shovel a mess like
this in front of us and expect the majority of us to give it any plausibility.
Regards,
Oddball
I misspelled "plausibility", I didn't have second thoughts about my post.
Thus, the edit. :D
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Do ranks instead of stars. Base the ranks on the type of achievement.
Luftwaffe ranks for German aircraft successes
Wehrmacht ranks for German vehicle successes
USN ranks for USN aircraft and boat successes
US Army ranks for US Army aircraft and vehicle successes
US Marine Corp ranks for US Marine Corp aircraft and vehicle successes
Regia Aeronautica ranks for Italian aircraft successes
FAF ranks for Brewster successes
RAF ranks for RAF successes
RN ranks for RN successes
VVS ranks for Russian aircraft successes
Red Army ranks for Russian vehicle successes
IJN ranks for Japanese navy successes
IJA ranks for Japanese army successes
It might be possible to select what rank you want an aircraft or tank to be scored in for those aircraft and tanks that were used by multiple nations when doing kill based achievements. The Spitfire Mk VIII, for example, might be scored as either RAF or USAAF for that purpose.
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Call me an old fuddy duddy but I'd like to see an option to turn them off :old:
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remember, the system is in "beta" testing.
for those who didn't read the MOTD that pops up when you join the arena:
Version 2.29 launches a beta of a new achievement system.
We are currently testing the awarding and storage of
achievements. Many achievements are set simply to make it
easy to test them. Achievements will be deleted at the end
of the beta and there will probably be some resets during
the beta.
There is a beta forum on our message board to report bugs
with the achievement system or to make suggestions.
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remember, the system is in "beta" testing.
Exactly! Also, many of them were simple things they thought of off the top of their head just to test the systems.
Relax already.
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Call me an old fuddy duddy but I'd like to see an option to turn them off :old:
+1 or toss the whole thing
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[remember, the system is in "beta" testing./quote]
Which hopefully means HTC may scrap the whole thing and chalk it up as a huge scotch induced mistake.
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I understand it's in "Beta testing", but what was the reason for having it in the first place? Why was it being considered in the first place?
Nutz
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I understand it's in "Beta testing", but what was the reason for having it in the first place? Why was it being considered in the first place?
Nutz
Achievement systems encourage people to play, to try different things and probably extend subscription lengths.
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I understand it's in "Beta testing", but what was the reason for having it in the first place? Why was it being considered in the first place?
My guess: Business ;)
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How about putting the star next to the player's name on the roster, instead of the text bar? That way the people interested in scores could see who is a "star" achiever, without embarrassing those who prefer to remain low key.
And as a special bonus, the "star" players would inevitably get more join requests. :)
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I understand it's in "Beta testing", but what was the reason for having it in the first place? Why was it being considered in the first place?
Nutz
Coddling all the children with low self esteem. Look at how many have wished for this crud on the boards for years.
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i find it amusing why some people hate it so much? and if you don't care, then don't care..
(reminds me of "score" -- if you dont care, then why do you care?)
at the least, it encourages people to do something other than take a base with 50 friendlies. :aok
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Stars should be based on rank and nothing else.....reset monthly...maybe different colors for different score criteria... :)
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i find it amusing why some people hate it so much? and if you don't care, then don't care..
(reminds me of "score" -- if you dont care, then why do you care?)
at the least, it encourages people to do something other than take a base with 50 friendlies. :aok
+1 :aok
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I kind of like the added realm of achievements. It would be really neat of HTC would expand it to coincide with the ranking/scoring system, so if someone wants to be #1 then will need to bomb successfully in Bostons and a B5N as well as B29's, and land kills in a P40C as well as their [Gollum voice] "precious" La7 and P51D [off Gollum voice]. Perhaps a player should get extra kudos for landing kills in a high ENY plane (P40C, 109E-4, etc).
Maybe more kudos for delivering X amount of damage in a LVT 4? or Landing X number of kills in a M3 (thinking 75mm AP). Maybe X number of damage points in a set of Bostons. Etc Etc.
I like the concept and I think this will be fun in the long run.
I say keep it rolling and developing! :aok
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A lot of people just don't have the time to but in to earn a star. Do away with it, besides, I'm 64 years old and don't need a kiddy star by my name.
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Just let us squelch the Starmen...there are only two or three that need it...how hard could it be?
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remember, the system is in "beta" testing.
for those who didn't read the MOTD that pops up when you join the arena:
Who cares. I turned it off and it comes back every time I log on. It is just stupid.
I'd like to turn it off and not see any posts from it or the stars. Let the new folks turn it on if it floats their boat.
This is right down there with the issue of no perma squelch.
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My guess: Business ;)
Grabbing for the last rung on the way down? It has that look.
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Grabbing for the last rung on the way down? It has that look.
I don't think so. I think it only looks that way to guys who are wedded to Air Warrior and don't want any changes to the Air Warrior model.
It is, in fact, completely innocuous. It is highly amusing to me to watch the hysterics some old timers are going into over it.
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:)
Do i have any stars I will be getting my new PC in a couple of weeks :)
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:)
Do i have any stars I will be getting my new PC in a couple of weeks :)
stars are far too important!
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Nobody asked for it, but since I've been awarded what I personally see as a
kindergarten type "star" on my handle in-game, which I find embarrasing, I'm
tossin' my two cents in on this new "achievement" system.
First off, I started writing each of 'em down to transpose in here in
this post. However, after getting to 25 and seeing that there was still a hell
of a lot of "scroll bar" left, I just plain gave up.
Ramrodding my own squad with our own "achievement system" in place,
as well as compiling monthly stats on my herd, I'm fully aware of what is
ridiculously easy and what is not.
My first thoughts about this new "system" is a question of whether they are weekly based,
monthly based, or if one has "forever" to achieve 'em.
My second thoughts are that it is obvious that it was not a well thought out
new "feature". If HTC has paying customers who are actually embarassed to
see a kindergarten-like "star" on their "forehead" in-game, then there's a
problem. And trust me, HTC, I'm NOT the only guy feeling this way.
I know per one of HTC's posts that some of these are "tongue-in-cheek"?
I'd be interested to know just which of these they consider so and which
they think are "legitimate" and worthy of keeping/implementing.
I suggest there be an "opt in" or "opt out" part to the whole system.
My (cough) "favorite" is the "Bail out of a plane 25 times".
This is a guaranteed way to mold new players/customers, people who
are fresh to the game, who see that and see it as a positive thing.
Hell, it must be "cool to do" if you get an achievement for it.
I'll get the crap bashed out of me in follow up posts for this, I'm certain.
But, hell somebody's got to say it.
My suggestion is to pull out the entire "achievement system". Put some
-quality- time into it and think it through. Please don't shovel a mess like
this in front of us and expect the majority of us to give it any plausibility.
Regards,
Oddball
I misspelled "plausibility", I didn't have second thoughts about my post.
Thus, the edit. :D
Pretty sure this is what I said in my thread below "NOT THIS..."... Good thing you said kindergarden and not WoW otherwise you would have offended lots of people ;). I agree to an extend, this system if incorporated the proper way could add value, but in its current form its laughable.
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I like stars because they are an incentive to try new things. :)
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Call me an old fuddy duddy but I'd like to see an option to turn them off :old:
agreed
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I like stars because they are an incentive to try new things. :)
Didn't get you out of the spit. :old: BTW you only have one star. :neener:
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Do ranks instead of stars. Base the ranks on the type of achievement.
Luftwaffe ranks for German aircraft successes
Wehrmacht ranks for German vehicle successes
USN ranks for USN aircraft and boat successes
US Army ranks for US Army aircraft and vehicle successes
US Marine Corp ranks for US Marine Corp aircraft and vehicle successes
Regia Aeronautica ranks for Italian aircraft successes
FAF ranks for Brewster successes
RAF ranks for RAF successes
RN ranks for RN successes
VVS ranks for Russian aircraft successes
Red Army ranks for Russian vehicle successes
IJN ranks for Japanese navy successes
IJA ranks for Japanese army successes
It might be possible to select what rank you want an aircraft or tank to be scored in for those aircraft and tanks that were used by multiple nations when doing kill based achievements. The Spitfire Mk VIII, for example, might be scored as either RAF or USAAF for that purpose.
+1
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Beta Test Opt Out <-- :aok :aok :aok
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Call me an old fuddy duddy but I'd like to see an option to turn them off :old:
Free Dolby!
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I kind of like the added realm of achievements. It would be really neat of HTC would expand it to coincide with the ranking/scoring system, so if someone wants to be #1 then will need to bomb successfully in Bostons and a B5N as well as B29's, and land kills in a P40C as well as their [Gollum voice] "precious" La7 and P51D [off Gollum voice]. Perhaps a player should get extra kudos for landing kills in a high ENY plane (P40C, 109E-4, etc).
Maybe more kudos for delivering X amount of damage in a LVT 4? or Landing X number of kills in a M3 (thinking 75mm AP). Maybe X number of damage points in a set of Bostons. Etc Etc.
I like the concept and I think this will be fun in the long run.
I say keep it rolling and developing! :aok
I find the concept great too. This is a great stepping stone because as it was, there was no incentive besides just having the personal challenge.
I can see this working to give players much more incentive to actually WANT to put themselves in some sort of disadvantage *( XXX landed 5 kills and survived a 3vs1)
The scoring system we have now is ok but the side effects sometimes promote timid flying. Perks are great but when you have 5000 in each category and hardly use them, it becomes obsolete.
The win the war concept is great for team play but the obvious side effect is hording. Why not add some other dynamics to the game to make it more interesting and perhaps level the playing feild?
What is actually funny to me is that I saw one of the guys that was ranting on 200 about the star system was in a jeep off in some base trying to get the airtime acheivment :lol
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Call me an old fuddy duddy but I'd like to see an option to turn them off :old:
This. At least. I am also with CAF. This is just silly. Look at me perma-star. Its cool to be able to congradulate folks when they land victories - but ranks, etc do not mean anything. Inside the squad sure, it might be nice to have a little thing that identifies certain folks to positions within the squad so outsiders know who to address questions to. But I am not a fan of the stars.
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How about putting the star next to the player's name on the roster, instead of the text bar? That way the people interested in scores could see who is a "star" achiever, without embarrassing those who prefer to remain low key.
+1
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Achievement systems encourage people to play, to try different things and probably extend subscription lengths.
I am currently working on my spit 9 achievement. :salute I am sorry to all those I have killed because of this :devil; i know it cant be as good for you as it was for me. :airplane:
If i get three stars can i make them into a pyramid? :headscratch:
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Nobody asked for it, but since I've been awarded what I personally see as a
kindergarten type "star" on my handle in-game, which I find embarrasing,
Why do you find it embarrassing? to this moment I have no idea what the criteria are for getting one.
If you do not care about the achievement system - ignore it like I do. Occasionally I get some achievement message, sometimes it is amusing, sometimes it is mundane, but as long as I am not spammed by it inflight, I can't see how this bothers anyone. I am sure HTC will provide with an option to turn off achievement messages. The star before the handle in the text buffer make no difference to me. Do you feel branded by it?
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Why do you find it embarrassing? to this moment I have no idea what the criteria are for getting one.
If you do not care about the achievement system - ignore it like I do. Occasionally I get some achievement message, sometimes it is amusing, sometimes it is mundane, but as long as I am not spammed by it inflight, I can't see how this bothers anyone. I am sure HTC will provide with an option to turn off achievement messages. The star before the handle in the text buffer make no difference to me. Do you feel branded by it?
No but a year down the road I don't want to see........ Host:★★★★★★★★★Player123★★★★★★★★★has landed 8 kills in whatever....to clutter up the chat buffer anymore than it already is
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There's more than 1 star? I haven't seen that yet.
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Numbet one it doesnt show on the host that thst player has a star by his or her name. It only shows on the text buffer
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I dont get it why is a star such a big deal? Best solution I have seen thus far is for it to be put on the names in the roster. That would seem reasonable to me.
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I'm not seeing the big deal.
I don't care to rack up achievements either, but the fact that they're there doesn't bother me. I might be bored one night and decide to intentionally try for them.. :headscratch:
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much ado over nothing.
ack-ack
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I haven't seen this new system. It does sound rather gay but, as much as I hate to do it, I have to applaud HTC [for] sticking his little toe out of the box a bit.
Wouldn't be my first choice of changes, but I am sure that there is enough evidence out there that suggests that video game success is strongly tied to this silly little reward system.
If you really want to end this though, just tell Ht how much muzik LOVES this new system he has. He'll be ripping and tearing coads all over the office.
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Since achievements are a purely personal item, I don't see any downside in giving people an option to 'opt out' of it. Unless ofcourse, HTC has fututre plans to integrate it into gameplay (like XYZ loadouts are available to players with 123 ranks/achievements w/e).
I personally don't see whats the big deal with the star system? Ok, the squelch issue is there, but thats a bug and will be fixed. So theres a star by your name, would you feel better if it were a big round dot? Or a set of wings?
I personally like the idea of a ranking system which is apparent in game and not just on some obsolete webpage. Though personally I dont like the way its awarded. I'd rather the reward system reset on player death. That way it can really mean something. Less mindless flying then and more people actually trying to land their rig / ditch it / bail out of it (instead of flying around till they run out of fuel or ammo and then die etc.)
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I'd rather the reward system reset on player death. That way it can really mean something. Less mindless flying then and more people actually trying to land their rig / ditch it / bail out of it (instead of flying around till they run out of fuel or ammo and then die etc.)
:huh
just bail before anyone got a shot on you? LOL
(someone 800 yds on my 6, closing.. enter enter enter!)
:rofl
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Since achievements are a purely personal item, I don't see any downside in giving people an option to 'opt out' of it. Unless ofcourse, HTC has fututre plans to integrate it into gameplay (like XYZ loadouts are available to players with 123 ranks/achievements w/e).
I personally don't see whats the big deal with the star system? Ok, the squelch issue is there, but thats a bug and will be fixed. So theres a star by your name, would you feel better if it were a big round dot? Or a set of wings?
I personally like the idea of a ranking system which is apparent in game and not just on some obsolete webpage. Though personally I dont like the way its awarded. I'd rather the reward system reset on player death. That way it can really mean something. Less mindless flying then and more people actually trying to land their rig / ditch it / bail out of it (instead of flying around till they run out of fuel or ammo and then die etc.)
that would make for incredibly lame game....we have far too much of that already.
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that would make for incredibly lame game....we have far too much of that already.
Agreed. Timidity rewards are a bad thing.
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Why not award stars for achievements that are considered undesirable. That way, when you have a star next to your name you are more or less branded instead of decorated. I think the achievement system is nothing to take too seriously. It's fun for some and for others, why care?
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