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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rogwar on December 30, 2012, 03:31:01 PM
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(http://www.reoiv.com/images/random/tacticoolAR15.jpg)
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where are its tank tracks and loud speaker
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where are its tank tracks and loud speaker
and the blender
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I don't see the ipod/iphone holder either. Or the church key.
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Better put up a disclaimer so guppy doesn't use that joke pic as an example of why evil black gun owners are mentally unstable again. ;)
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Swiss Army Rifle
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'Murica :rock
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do you really need the cat toy on the stock?
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where are its tank tracks and loud speaker
:rofl :rofl no doubt
Why in the hell do you need something like that?
Nevermind. That would be cool :uhoh :x :bolt:
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No thanks, I'll keep my wood.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/100_0760_zps884ec3ca.jpg)
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No thanks, I'll keep my wood.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/100_0760_zps884ec3ca.jpg)
any chance you want to sell the underfold stock? id probly give up my nagant if that would help :pray
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No thanks, I'll keep my wood.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/100_0760_zps884ec3ca.jpg)
when the poop hits the fan, ima comin thata way
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(http://www.reoiv.com/images/random/tacticoolAR15.jpg)
It doubles as a tanning bed :rofl
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double post
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It doubles as a tanning bed :rofl
and you can use it to call batman :rock
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Call me old fashioned, but when I get an AR, I'd prefer not to buy a forklift to carry it :D
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No thanks, I'll keep my wood.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/100_0760_zps884ec3ca.jpg)
Seen how much SKSs are going for on Gunbroker?
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Call me old fashioned, but when I get an AR, I'd prefer not to buy a forklift to carry it :D
Nothing old fashioned about it. You're just being realistic. Most people forget that usually they will be carrying lots of other gear with them if they ever need to reprise the role of a minuteman. The rifle and ammo will not be the only thing they will be lugging around.
I too prefer my AR15 free of such senseless weight, the only thing I have on my AR15"A4" is the ACOC TA31. :aok
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Seen how much SKSs are going for on Gunbroker?
Yeah, you'll have that with the current situation(s).
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and you can use it to call batman :rock
It's normally easier to reach me on the Batcell, it's hard to see that old bat signal without a convertible :D
:salute
BigflyingRat
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I deployed with a bunch of extra pieces for my M-4, and after playing with some of them in training everything but the basic rifle and sling stayed in the gun case. It did have a red dot sight with very low magnification (2x or 3x maybe) but that's the only thing. I even removed the rails to save weight since I wasn't going to attach anything but the sight and sling. At least I did get an ex-seal to show me the right way to rig the sling before I showed up on the range. His technique was not the same as the little instruction card that came with the sling, and his technique worked better making it much easier to fire one handed and switch between primary and secondary weapons, and still not have the thing rotate up and whack me in the face when released while running.
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BTW I loved that M-4. If I had more money and less wife ack, I'd probably have one for sport shooting. It was light, reliable, compact, and accurate, even bone "stock" and after having been used/abused by others for years.
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We've got a few ARs in our organization (LIF).. Here's a very small sample.
(http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag124/jringe1109/5DD7A5ED-DB19-40FB-9E5C-BB65C3024D83-10604-000010934473B23B_zps564dfd93.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bFgDltog2d4/TyX5KlUvp6I/AAAAAAAAG2s/PsBqoVZBxEs/s800/AR15.jpg)
(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy105/glocklife/AR/a237d34d2e60afaa00692133346a27d8.jpg)
(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w382/NESROK/72647302-C1F4-4C40-B3CB-F8C2E97EBD29-16292-0000092031B41C1F.jpg)
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk219/NYC6/Guns/SWMP15-ColtHBAR071-1.jpg)
(http://s18.postimage.org/pyw22417d/DSC_0604.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-80Z6YRz8lNQ/T2EJAUSmRNI/AAAAAAAAHN4/AerYrMXJZis/s800/LWF_0171.JPG)
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n173/JCKoLnturn/Guns/1488a6fe80e603bcc7753c457792a3ee.jpg)
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All those gadgets kind of crack me up. I have had a bad opinion of most gun accessories ever since reading Hathcock's book Marine Sniper, since he did almost all his work with gear that was essentially "issue" stuff, no fluff, no bolt-on accessories, nothing. Just reliable accurate basic firearms and a whole lot of training and skill. Then during my weapons training prior to my last deployment, we had 2 kinds of instructors. One kind was the typical gun nut police swat type, slightly overweight, carrying a bunch of crap they didn't need and talking big. The other kind was the ex-seal type, quieter, full of practical advice on how to use issue gear, and if you got them talking you'd get some amazing stories about how it was the other guy in their squad who was a hero, never themselves. The training I got from the swat guys was often useful but the unoffical advice was rarely applicable to where I was going. The ex seal I pumped for information and training was a total badazz yet very very humble, and every single thing he told me had direct application to me and my deployment using only my issued gear. And he pretty much passed on all the accessories because the basic gun was both easy to use and effective as-is, and the gadgets were just a distraction unless you lived and breathed weapons drills with the gadgets for your whole career, and even then when the shxt hits the fan you just point and shoot anyhow because the stupid laser button is hard to find and press through blood-soaked gloves...
One of his stories was a perfect counter to so many things "everyone knows". His car full of spec ops types flipped in the middle of the shxt during falluja and they had to shoot their way out of town before the town was taken. He was switching from rifle to pistol back and forth due to the chaos, and got shot in the wrist. He had to keep fighting because it was just his team against the world, and only noticed how bad it was when he couldn't handle the recoil from his pistol or cycle the slide because the gun and his hands were soaked in blood. They sew tourniquets into their uniform sleeves and pants legs above and below each joint, so he tightened the tourniquet below his elbow until the blood stopped flowing enough that he could keep fighting. When his hand got numb from lack of blood flow, he would loosen the tourniquet to get feeling back to his hand, then tighten it again and keep fighting. Later on as they hiked out, one of his team members got shot in the spine and couldn't walk so he clipped that guy's harness to his, back to back, and walked/fought his way out the last few miles carrying this guy on his back like a 200lb backpack. The guy was awake, firing backwards as they got out.
Lots of myths and gun nut opinions were crushed in just the few hours I was able to talk to that guy. I probably learned more about real fighting from him in 1 week than I'd learned in the previous 20 years in the AF.
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I have just bought a dehumidifier in the sales, I am so pleased :old:
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I wouldn't call optics/scopes and foregrips " gadgets and fluff".
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I wouldn't call optics/scopes and foregrips " gadgets and fluff".
Many of them are. If the optic has more than an on-off slider or on-off knob or click-release button, or if you have to hold down a button for it to work, then it's a gadget. This is why the close quarters optics on-off switch is not a simple rotary dial that also changes intensity. You set intensity and close the dust cover so you aren't tempted to fiddle with it, then on-off is a separate switch. If inside the reticle is anything more than a simple crosshair or dot, it's a gadget. The fact that some highly trained individuals can use gadgetized optics effectively in combat doesn't change the fact that they are gadgets. Same goes for the foregrips. If it's a simple grip that is always on the weapon and is suitable for every environment you may find yourself in, then maybe it's just a grip. As soon as it folds, slides, attaches something else, is only used sometimes, or anything that requires any thought beyond point-shoot, then it's a gadget. If you have to THINK about using it in combat, it's a gadget.
Heck, I took off the optional foregrip handle because it kept getting caught in my gear or the seatbelt during vehicle drills and I replaced one picatinny rail with a smooth foregrip section because the rail kept grabbing my gloves and preventing me from smoothly bringing the weapon from hanging on the sling up to firing position. Since the single greatest chance of me ever having to use the thing would be in a vehicle ambush, I removed the grip for good and trained to use the weapon without it in every scenario. My accuracy on the range was in the top 10% (probably better than that since I have shot expert in every military course I"ve ever run) of every student out there, and my instructor praised my decision to simplify since it worked so well for me and my expected tactical scenarios.
Really, just look at who uses and promotes those things. They're either salesmen, wanna-bes, or loudmouth ex-swat types who were probably bad loudmouth cops before they became bad loudmouth swat members. You just don't find "real" seal team members selling that stuff or hanging them on their weapons unless they've personally used them long enough that employing with those gadgets is second nature.
In the F-15E we called stuff like that a "face magnet", and we brought new pilots and WSOs up along a progressive path to working with the gadgets. Because although the plane has a ton of nifty gadgets, you can end up fighting the gadgets instead of the enemy and that gets you killed. Same with a gun.
My home defense setup was an unadorned pistol next to a 3 cell maglight. I've used flashlights all my life, and I've drilled on that exact same gun in the military to the point where I can operate it and probably assemble/disassemble it blindfolded or under stress. They're both dead simple. Flashlight has 2 operating modes. In one mode, a press of the button turns on and off the light. In the other mode, it is a passably good club for bonking people. The gun has two modes. In the first one, I point it and start pulling the trigger. No safety to operate, no laser to try to remember to turn on, no flashlight, nothing. Point and pull trigger. In the secondary mode for the gun, I throw it because it's sort of heavy and made of metal and will hurt or distract anything it hits, maybe long enough to use my flashlight in secondary mode.
Simplicity and repeatable drills. The rest is fluff that will get you killed.
My final "proof" - in Afghanistan a single Afghan Lt Col with an AK-47 took out 9 air advisors including one Major I trained with, even though all 9 advisors were armed. The policy in place was to have the weapons and loaded magazines on the person in a holster, but not actually loaded. The rumor had it that at least one advisor managed to load his weapon but was unable to return fire. When the time comes, you don't have the luxury of using the gadgets. It has to be ready to go, point and shoot, at an instinctive level. When I was required to go around unarmed, I stopped doing shooting drills and started focusing exclusively on the motions required to remove and load my gun, chamber a round, switch off the safety, and fire a single round. Just doing that sucked. Switching on optics or whatever would just add time to a process that was starting out from a position that was probably already receiving fire. Those 9 dead advisors *almost* had a chance to return fire. Why on earth would I want to add a gadget, optics, grip, whatever, that would lengthen the time required to return fire or add bulk to a weapon I'm trying to extract from a holster, load, cycle, and shoot while low-crawling underneath a conference table, or in my other personal high-risk situation, while I'm in a car returning fire during a vehicle ambush, or trying to exit the car without shooting myself or my comrades, when every single thing on my weapon is trying to entangle itself on the seatbelt?
Nothing makes friends like being the first person to exit out a vehicle and discharging your M-4 in the face of the next guy coming out, because your seatbelt hung up on your custom SWAT special laser foregrip as you fell backwards. It wasn't me but I saw it happen, luckily in training so nobody got shot that time.
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I think you and I are on the same page actually. I'm not a fan of the vertical foregrip myself but I do know guys who prefer it and if it works for them then that's fine. I took it off one of mine as soon as I got it home. I did buy the Magpul angled foregrip and I'm liking it so far. I found the smallest light I could for that rifle and testing it out. Not 100% happy with it but it's ok. That's my go to rifle at the house. I use the Aimpoint PRO on it as well as my patrol rifle. Love the PRO. The only other thing or the patrol rifle is a two point sling. No lights or lasers on my handguns either. I listened to guys make cases for them but no thanks. I do appreciate your input,believe me I'm all ears.
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Fancy stuff doesn't impress me. I'm a bit of a dinosaur in regard to this.
I use the lower Rossi made Winchester '92 clone and a 12 gauge pump for home security (lowest photo). The Winchester is the best pack rifle I've ever owned. Light, slim and fast pointing with a super-quick action. The 16" barrel doesn't have much effect on accuracy out to 100 yards. Chambered in .357 Magnum, I load with hand loads that just exceed 2,000 fps. Good enough for black bear, deer or unwanted home intruders... Good ol' reliable iron sights. No batteries, not optics to break, nothing to come adrift and fall off. Utterly reliable. Ditto for the shotgun.
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We've got a few ARs in our organization (LIF).. Here's a very small sample.
Interesting no forward assist on the lower rifle:-
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk219/NYC6/Guns/SWMP15-ColtHBAR071-1.jpg)
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Interesting no forward assist on the lower rifle:-
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk219/NYC6/Guns/SWMP15-ColtHBAR071-1.jpg)
That is a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Sport. The basic, low cost version deletes both the FA and the dust cover... It's exceptionally rare that the FA is needed on a recreational AR. All M&P 15s have a Melonite (Ferritic Nitrocarburizing) treatment on the bore... Far more durable than chrome and generally results in better accuracy than chrome too.
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No thanks, I'll keep my wood.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/100_0760_zps884ec3ca.jpg)
i couldn't agree more (i have almost that same collection lol) but i found a way to have my cake and eat it too!
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc74/Serene_One/2A%20RKBA/AR-15/DSCN1165.jpg)
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Txsailor right? You still over at Survivors?
I think the wood effect or real wood stock kits look cool. Nice rifle.
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i couldn't agree more (i have almost that same collection lol) but i found a way to have my cake and eat it too!
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc74/Serene_One/2A%20RKBA/AR-15/DSCN1165.jpg)
That is a fine rifle! Nice looking furniture on it as well, did you do the stain work?
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Txsailor right? You still over at Survivors?
I think the wood effect or real wood stock kits look cool. Nice rifle.
Thanks to you, survivors is what keeps me from lurking here! Lol. Its solid wood all around, a bit heavy, but that pistol grip feels like butter! And Loon, nope that's exactly how it came out of the package!
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Thanks to you, survivors is what keeps me from lurking here! Lol. Its solid wood all around, a bit heavy, but that pistol grip feels like butter! And Loon, nope that's exactly how it came out of the package!
You mean people lurk here? :noid
I haven't been active over there, but I am lurking... ;)
It looks very nice, the fact that it is not oozing with accessories really pleases me. Still can't say I have the desire for an AR platform. I think I am going to buy a VEPR in 7.62x54r, make it my DMR.
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i couldn't agree more (i have almost that same collection lol) but i found a way to have my cake and eat it too!
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc74/Serene_One/2A%20RKBA/AR-15/DSCN1165.jpg)
THAT is a very nice looking gun!
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Hopefully y'all realize that OP was intended as a joke. That style of rifle is neat and fun to shoot but in reality I've got no use for one (or maybe just budget for one). I'd probably have a bigger caliber one with night scope for hogs if I did more pig hunting.
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It looks like an japanese spaceship! Looks expensive too!
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You mean people lurk here? :noid
I haven't been active over there, but I am lurking... ;)
It looks very nice, the fact that it is not oozing with accessories really pleases me. Still can't say I have the desire for an AR platform. I think I am going to buy a VEPR in 7.62x54r, make it my DMR.
I REALLY need a DMR. When I get my pre-commissioning loan, I will be getting one but I think it needs to be domestic. Either a National Match M-1A, an M-21, or an SR-25. Right now, the closest thing I have to a DMR would be my Finnish M39 or my M1 Garand :(
I went with the AR because I felt I needed a domestic weapon. Everything else I owned was Russian, Romanian, or Yugoslavian. I wanted interchangeability with my shipmates here. Honestly, I planned it as a "I'll buy it, and it will sit in the safe, and that will be that. My SKSs will still be my pride and joy". Boy was I wrong! I honestly love this AR-15. I take it out at least every other day just to cycle the bolt and dry fire. It just feels good to hold and practice with, and it's very ergonomic. I think every American should own at least one, as they're downright fun! And the modularity is fantastic! I didn't like plastic and I had no problem finding that wood. Didn't like other slings, but they make one with the proper attachments that I love. Didn't like the trigger, swapped it out for the nicest trigger I've ever felt. It's just a wonderful, FUN gun. My only complaint is that I would like something with a little more range and power, but for a battle carbine I prefer the accuracy and ergonomics to my 7.62x39 platforms.