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Title: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: CZCH64 on January 02, 2013, 11:05:16 AM
Over the last 3-4 days I've been getting a lot of weird stalls, mostly at the top of loops. She seems to want to almost flat spin. Feels like I have ordnance strapped on or a full drop tank even though I don't. I've been flying the XVI pretty much exclusively since I joined back in April and never had this occur. Anyone else notice or experience this?...Take it easy.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Daddkev on January 02, 2013, 11:11:51 AM
 :huh :huh :huh Problem solved! Quit flying Spits!  :bhead :bhead :neener: :neener: :old: :old: :neener: :neener: :bhead :bhead
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: CZCH64 on January 02, 2013, 11:38:09 AM
Whatever...should have known better.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: thrila on January 02, 2013, 11:45:45 AM
Spits have always had a tendancy to do this when nose high at low speeds  in AH
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: CZCH64 on January 02, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
Spits have always had a tendancy to do this when nose high at low speeds  in AH

Maybe you're right...just never noticed it before.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Karnak on January 02, 2013, 12:01:32 PM
It is really noticeable in the Mk I.  Later Spits, particularly the Mk VIII and Mk XVI have a power to weight ratio that helps them avoid it most of the time.  The Spit XIV oddly has more problems with it despite having even more power.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: tunnelrat on January 02, 2013, 12:05:24 PM
Whatever...should have known better.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-72xszplsDS0/UOR2wZSfNmI/AAAAAAAAB7c/0yezWSO_CXA/s640/AHBB_RRT.jpg)
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Changeup on January 02, 2013, 04:24:09 PM
It is really noticeable in the Mk I.  Later Spits, particularly the Mk VIII and Mk XVI have a power to weight ratio that helps them avoid it most of the time.  The Spit XIV oddly has more problems with it despite having even more power.

Counter-rotating prop makes it a bit tougher over the top, especially if youre used to using rudder to get your nose on.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Changeup on January 02, 2013, 04:25:24 PM
Whatever...should have known better.

Try burning the TOP tank first...don't forget to switch BEFORE you run out of TOP TANK FUEL or you'll die a lot.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: tunnelrat on January 02, 2013, 04:32:18 PM
Try burning the TOP tank first...don't forget to switch BEFORE you run out of TOP TANK FUEL or you'll die a lot.

Good to know!!

I know with the 51s you want to burn Aft first situationally, is there any kind of definitive list of burn order floating around out there?

Or perhaps you could be convinced to share more of this sorcery?

Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Changeup on January 02, 2013, 04:48:57 PM
Good to know!!

I know with the 51s you want to burn Aft first situationally, is there any kind of definitive list of burn order floating around out there?

Or perhaps you could be convinced to share more of this sorcery?



(works very well on the V and IX....shhhhhhhh.  Midway knows this too.  Others will claim heresy...)  Fly a IX against someone in a 16 for about 2 weeks and you'll be a perk farming Optimus Prime (I don't know what that means but my 10 year old son says it all the time about things that used to be called "beast").
PS-Im still waiting on my KC invite to the award winners dinner.  Daddkev wants to play naked paintball...with goggles
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Saxman on January 02, 2013, 05:38:37 PM
I know with the 51s you want to burn Aft first situationally, is there any kind of definitive list of burn order floating around out there?

I don't think there's a "definitive" list, because everyone has personal preferences. Some people take bare minimum gas to begin with, others roll with full tanks. I can't say much about other aircraft off-hand, but in the F4U-1 and 1A I usually recommend:

Roll at 100% fuel
Burn Left Wing to 50%
Switch to Right Wing until it's at 75%
Alternate Left/Right wings in 25% increments. How much you leave is personal preference, but I usually stop at 25% LW 50% RW, however you want to leave minimum 25% in the right wing, and it should always be higher than the left.
Once you have your wings burned go to the external if you've got it. Otherwise, switch to Main and keep it there until you need to dip into the wing tanks.

This helps balance the aircraft against the torque of the engine and gives it a little more stability. Corsairs also LOVE to take main fuel hits, so that 25% in the right tank gives you a nice reserve.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Changeup on January 02, 2013, 05:40:33 PM
I don't think there's a "definitive" list, because everyone has personal preferences. Some people take bare minimum gas to begin with, others roll with full tanks. I can't say much about other aircraft off-hand, but in the F4U-1 and 1A I usually recommend:

Roll at 100% fuel
Burn Left Wing to 50%
Switch to Right Wing until it's at 75%
Alternate Left/Right wings in 25% increments. How much you leave is personal preference, but I usually stop at 25% LW 50% RW, however you want to leave minimum 25% in the right wing, and it should always be higher than the left.
Once you have your wings burned go to the external if you've got it. Otherwise, switch to Main and keep it there until you need to dip into the wing tanks.

This helps balance the aircraft against the torque of the engine and gives it a little more stability. Corsairs also LOVE to take main fuel hits, so that 25% in the right tank gives you a nice reserve.

So THATS why I can't fly the HOGs!!!  I will remember this.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: SmokinLoon on January 02, 2013, 05:59:52 PM
Yes, burning the top tank first will help with the stall on a Spitfire.  However, make sure if you're in a Spit 8 you burn the wing tanks first THEN the top tank.

I manually switch back and forth until engaged then I switch to burn the top tank first.  Fuel leaks are crippling in a Spitfire.  ;)
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Changeup on January 02, 2013, 06:16:25 PM
Yes, burning the top tank first will help with the stall on a Spitfire.  However, make sure if you're in a Spit 8 you burn the wing tanks first THEN the top tank.

I manually switch back and forth until engaged then I switch to burn the top tank first.  Fuel leaks are crippling in a Spitfire.  ;)

^^A man of virtue and character^^
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Noir on January 03, 2013, 01:05:01 AM
I don't think there's a "definitive" list, because everyone has personal preferences. Some people take bare minimum gas to begin with, others roll with full tanks. I can't say much about other aircraft off-hand, but in the F4U-1 and 1A I usually recommend:

Roll at 100% fuel
Burn Left Wing to 50%
Switch to Right Wing until it's at 75%
Alternate Left/Right wings in 25% increments. How much you leave is personal preference, but I usually stop at 25% LW 50% RW, however you want to leave minimum 25% in the right wing, and it should always be higher than the left.
Once you have your wings burned go to the external if you've got it. Otherwise, switch to Main and keep it there until you need to dip into the wing tanks.

This helps balance the aircraft against the torque of the engine and gives it a little more stability. Corsairs also LOVE to take main fuel hits, so that 25% in the right tank gives you a nice reserve.

its interesting that you have to do it manually on a F4U, while the 51 will do it automatically
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: lulu on January 03, 2013, 02:51:30 AM
???

Does F4u has fuel into its wings ???

 :salute
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Saxman on January 03, 2013, 07:05:17 AM
???

Does F4u has fuel into its wings ???

 :salute

The F4U-1 and 1A do. The wing tanks were removed in the 1C/D and -4.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Changeup on January 03, 2013, 08:01:55 AM
its interesting that you have to do it manually on a F4U, while the 51 will do it automatically

If you fly a 51 though, its required that you fly with a pink scarf and a rainbow colored wind screen sticker
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: tunnelrat on January 03, 2013, 09:46:06 AM
If you fly a 51 though, its required that you fly with a pink scarf and a rainbow colored wind screen sticker

Only the Delta though, the Bravo has the dreamcatcher on the rear-view mirror and the My Little Pony flap decals.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Changeup on January 03, 2013, 10:03:04 AM
Only the Delta though, the Bravo has the dreamcatcher on the rear-view mirror and the My Little Pony flap decals.


And a Dora the Explorer lunch box cuz you're gonna be there for a while
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: tunnelrat on January 03, 2013, 10:08:35 AM
And a Dora the Explorer lunch box cuz you're gonna be there for a while

(http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i60/5/10/10/frabz-Oh-snap-She-juss-went-there-25dd69.jpg)


I dunno man, when I fly the Bravo I die in a fireball before I even get to the pudding cup.

Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: miraj on January 03, 2013, 12:01:22 PM
I was about to ask the same thing about the P-51.

I re-calibrated my joystick, all is now normal again.

Maybe it should be done every month or so, I remember hearing/reading that before.
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Changeup on January 03, 2013, 03:11:09 PM
I was about to ask the same thing about the P-51.

I re-calibrated my joystick, all is now normal again.

Maybe it should be done every month or so, I remember hearing/reading that before.

^(who's he talking to?.....)^
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: uptown on January 03, 2013, 03:17:47 PM
I don't know, but he really should calibrate the equipment with every log in IMO.


And my scarf is brown. had to peel off the rainbow windscreen sticker as it was getting in the way of my crossing shots. Improved hit% by 4 points!  :joystick:
Title: Re: Did Spit XVI flight model change recently?
Post by: Changeup on January 03, 2013, 03:21:34 PM
I don't know, but he really should calibrate the equipment with every log in IMO.


And my scarf is brown. had to peel off the rainbow windscreen sticker as it was getting in the way of my crossing shots. Improved hit% by 4 points!  :joystick:

Awesome! I bet you don't get followed around by the dude in the pink spit either, huh?