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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mechanic on January 06, 2013, 07:23:38 AM
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This fight was in a quiet area of the LMA about 4 months ago. Is this the kind of fight people are looking for when they log in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhLY7qwTIMo
Opinions please
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Yes, that's a good fight. Skillfull 109 piloting, SA, energy and angles techniques.
I would personally enjoy such a 1v1 tho I doubt I'd last as long as the Spit did.
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It was good, but would have been even better if the Spitfire had a bud helping him and you downed them both.
2 v 1's are generally more fun because they add more SA to the fight, imho. :joystick:
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Quite good.
The spit8 pilot was pretty much a one trick jockey though - only his way better turn rate and radius kept him alive that long.
Good one Bat.
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wow .....im gonna study this one a bit ...great flying all :joystick:
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wow .....im gonna study this one a bit ...great flying all :joystick:
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What kind of 109?
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Although I am sensing there might be an ulterior motive to the post :), I would say a good fight.
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It was a G6 without gondies vs a MkVIII
Debrody I don't think the spitfire was one trick at all, nor was it turn rate that kept it in the fight. I think that is a slightly unfair way of looking at someone who is simply not as far up the huge learning curve as yourself. Could you agree?
I also think that what made this a great fight was that neither of us was perfect. The missed chances and imperfect moves made for a better fight than a few turns then kill.
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That was a very nice fight. Curious why the spit8 kept going vertical and to the left. I think if he kept flatter turn to right he would have used 109 torque against it. But I don't know too much. Very nice fight and 109 caused many overshoots.
:salute
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You might be right, Bat, its just the bitterness speaking instead of me.
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:lol
If only the Brown Baron's activities were confined to giving good fights and nothing more then many of us would be a lot more happy and a lot less hostile.
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Good fight?
Where are the HO shots and ack huggin?
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Great to see the throttle control and when it was used and how. How many degrees of flaps did you pop? Also, instead of going straight verticle it seemed you would go up maybe 70 degrees, though not pure verticle. Is this due to the engine on the G6? Would you have gone pure verticle if it were a G-14 or K-4? Did you use the rudder a great deal or only when rolling over the top? Noticed you used engine torque to help get the nose over a few times.
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Although I am sensing there might be an ulterior motive to the post :), I would say a good fight.
I have to agree on your statement about the motive , good fight also.
I've seen that flying style from a certain player .
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Good questions Boo. Flaps were deployed fully often. But that is the easy bit with flaps. That hard bit is knowing when to pull them back in momentarily to gain some E when leaving them out would be a waste. As to the vertical or not, I suppose that is just my way of flying. I have not thought about it. I doubt I would have done different in a g14 or k4 during those kind of turns. For E fighting I would have been more vertical a lot of the time. I almost always use rudder in rolls, especially at slow speed during barrel rolls. Rudder and elevator infact, to aid the roll with a mild snap roll effect.
As to an ulterior motive? Maybe so. Mostly I just want to find out if people think this is a good fight that they would enjoy.
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Wonderful fight. Thanks for sharing.
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Although I am sensing there might be an ulterior motive to the post :), I would say a good fight.
:noid
Lots of good fights out there.
Lots of other reasons people have feelings about individuals outside of their flying skills, though.
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:noid
Lots of good fights out there.
Lots of other reasons people have feelings about individuals outside of their flying skills, though.
bingo
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No its not, in general people find the best fights are with evenly matched opponents.
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I've watched a fair ol' number of films over the passed few days... This is a good fight. (and I have also come to realise my suckage is all in throttle. )
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Really good use of flaps and throttle Batty. My favorite part is when you are tail sliding it to left, full flaps, just off idle on the throttle, full left rudder, trying to get the nose down on the bandit who is overshooting out in front of you and at that slow speed you just can't get the shot lined up and he slips past. I feel the frustration having done the same thing so many times. I good training film in how it demonstrates the value of smooth stick movements, and understanding the throttle is not an on/off switch.
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I loved the fact that the spit chose not to take the head on shot right at the start, or try to force a head on encounter at any point during the fight. For a random engagement in the main arena this is rare and valuable.
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Who.......is the pilot.......? :D
G6 with gondies HAHA Bat your a beast.
1v1s in the MA are better then the DA because it offers more.....thought.
In the DA, the guys normally in there just go 23-24 deck merge similar rides. In the MA you can start your dive into a merge from beyond icon range if you are able to read the map well enough....
In your fight the Spit was closing on your 6.....the randomness behind MA 1v1s is why I try to have them.
I loved the fact that the spit chose not to take the head on shot right at the start, or try to force a head on encounter at any point during the fight. For a random engagement in the main arena this is rare and valuable.
You had some help there though....you chopped a ton of throttle to get around faster for second merge. Spit hadn't made it to HO yet.
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IMO it was a good fight for the 109 has he had to actually "fly" his aircraft to gain angles on the Spitfire. The spit was just another typical spit jockey....fly in a circle and wait for the target to present itself, relying on the plane to do all the work with no use of imagination or pilot skill. A monkey could of done what the spitfire did.
But forgive me if this isn't the way you guys see it. I'm grumpy today and don't like Spitfires to begin with.
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IMO it was a good fight for the 109 has he had to actually "fly" his aircraft to gain angles on the Spitfire. The spit was just another typical spit jockey....fly in a circle and wait for the target to present itself, relying on the plane to do all the work with no use of imagination or pilot skill. A monkey could of done what the spitfire did.
But forgive me if this isn't the way you guys see it. I'm grumpy today and don't like Spitfires to begin with.
Many agree....some are too hard headed to understand. Great Fights last night btw!!!
UpTown in a 109?!?!?!?! I thought we were passed the end of world crap :D
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looked like fun. but, it needed one thing. the Jetsons theme song, to go with that engine sound. :airplane:
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I think that the spit pilot was flying good acms minus the knowledge of throttle work. Something that a few months of practice makes a big difference on. This fight was about 4 months ago.
I totaly agree Junky, about MA fights being much more fun than DA 23-24 deck merge fights. Although it is possible to simulate an MA encounter in the DA by not choosing planes or setting a merge alt, there is still something extra intense about not knowing who the enemy is before the fight.
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who was the spit 8
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who was the spit 8
more then likely :old:
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I totaly agree Junky, about MA fights being much more fun than DA 23-24 deck merge fights. Although it is possible to simulate an MA encounter in the DA by not choosing planes or setting a merge alt, there is still something extra intense about not knowing who the enemy is before the fight.
Agreed on all counts, but the DA is more than just about pushing yourself as a pilot, it's also about exploring the limits of the airframe - throttle, slow speed, flaps, etc. - moreso when the pilots are fairly evenly matched and have the basics down pat.
In the MA if you're down in the weeds and slow, or even just slow, you don't get much of a chance to push the airframe because you're going to be dead before you have a chance to learn; the DA provides a little "space."
There are reasons air forces run simulations and exercises - what is the top gun school except a real-life "DA." :joystick: :ahand
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Agreed on all counts, but the DA is more than just about pushing yourself as a pilot, it's also about exploring the limits of the airframe - throttle, slow speed, flaps, etc. - moreso when the pilots are fairly evenly matched and have the basics down pat.
In the MA if you're down in the weeds and slow, or even just slow, you don't get much of a chance to push the airframe because you're going to be dead before you have a chance to learn; the DA provides a little "space."
There are reasons air forces run simulations and exercises - what is the top gun school except a real-life "DA." :joystick: :ahand
TA :aok
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TA :aok
No. Places like R(andolph)AFB are TA's...
It's about refining one's skills/tactics/knowledge, not developing them to get past a trainer.
Noooow it's allll making sense. :aok
People should stop asking you to the DA and instead offer to take you to the TA? :bhead
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Agreed Shane. I remember once a few years ago when we thrashed our way through the 190A5 and A8 in the DA for a few hours. Aswell as being great fun fights I learnt things about those planes that I've never forgetten. I still have some films from those fights.
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Batty,
was a good fight except I thought you had him a couple of times early on,I think the 2 min. mark and definitely at the 3 min mark. :devil
No way a 109 can outturn a spit.... :rofl :rofl :rofl but they will outroll most of them.
1 thing this fight shows and thats how to track an enemy in the lift vector,you did an excellent job of that!
:salute
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:headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: :bhead :bhead :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: Good fight! :neener: :neener: :neener: :old: :old: :old: :old:
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Another thing I'd like to voice is that a lot of people have tried to make negative comment about the spitfire pilot's flying in the video. So a couple of points on that:
1) This spitfire flying is way above average for MA flying ability
2) Most of the people with negative comments have decided they know the spitfire pilot and therefore voiced an opinion biased towards that person
3) Most of the people who posted negative comments couldn't do it any better
4) None of the people who posted negative comments have had a fight this good for a long time against a spitfire
5) The above probably being because they gave up from the start, ready to blame the enemy's plane choice for their demise before it is even certain
And what is more, so many people complain about how others fly, what others fly, where others fly until they are blue in the face. But then when they see someone, as in this clip, flying it out till the end without using any of the supposed verboten tactics, they find another reason to complain! Incredible how hard it is to please a human being sometimes. There is always something. Which just goes to show that next time someone complains at you for how you enjoy your AcesHigh time.....don't bother listening to them or changing anything...because they will only find another reason to complain if you do.
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Another thing I'd like to voice is that a lot of people have tried to make negative comment about the spitfire pilot's flying in the video. So a couple of points on that:
1) This spitfire flying is way above average for MA flying ability
2) Most of the people with negative comments have decided they know the spitfire pilot and therefore voiced an opinion biased towards that person
3) Most of the people who posted negative comments couldn't do it any better
4) None of the people who posted negative comments have had a fight this good for a long time against a spitfire
5) The above probably being because they gave up from the start, ready to blame the enemy's plane choice for their demise before it is even certain
And what is more, so many people complain about how others fly, what others fly, where others fly until they are blue in the face. But then when they see someone, as in this clip, flying it out till the end without using any of the supposed verboten tactics, they find another reason to complain! Incredible how hard it is to please a human being sometimes. There is always something. Which just goes to show that next time someone complains at you for how you enjoy your AcesHigh time.....don't bother listening to them or changing anything...because they will only find another reason to complain if you do.
With all due respect Bat, how does any of this address this particular pilots, "Look at me" antics? I could care less about his tactics or fighting ability. He fights, that's all I care about regarding fights. People's disdain for his piloting follows the antics much like Brittany Spears. Her idiotic choices in life don't make her voice bad...it makes me hate her, therefore I don't listen to her product, lol.
Look, I appreciate your motive, attempt and logic but as my lawyer says, "you defended the wrong crime". Had we talked only about his flying ability, I would most likely agree. That's only a fraction of why he attracts so much dung throwing. He knows it....yet he continues it. To me, that isn't worth defending sir but :salute and BTW, you let him off at the 2 min mark and most definitely at the 3 min mark. No question about it...but props for keeping the fight going and keeping your opponent believing in himself as you once did with me. Kept me in the game actually but that's another story.
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so you didn't want opinions afterall :huh
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Another thing I'd like to voice is that a lot of people have tried to make negative comment about the spitfire pilot's flying in the video. So a couple of points on that:
1) This spitfire flying is way above average for MA flying ability
2) Most of the people with negative comments have decided they know the spitfire pilot and therefore voiced an opinion biased towards that person
3) Most of the people who posted negative comments couldn't do it any better
4) None of the people who posted negative comments have had a fight this good for a long time against a spitfire
5) The above probably being because they gave up from the start, ready to blame the enemy's plane choice for their demise before it is even certain
And what is more, so many people complain about how others fly, what others fly, where others fly until they are blue in the face. But then when they see someone, as in this clip, flying it out till the end without using any of the supposed verboten tactics, they find another reason to complain! Incredible how hard it is to please a human being sometimes. There is always something. Which just goes to show that next time someone complains at you for how you enjoy your AcesHigh time.....don't bother listening to them or changing anything...because they will only find another reason to complain if you do.
You have so missed the point of recent events that one wonders what your subconscious motivations are. Is it that you view the hostility towards your thinly veiled Spitfire pilot as unprovoked bullying and this has triggered a crusading response in you? Are you being so obtuse that you can't see the dialectically treatment between those that support and those that oppose him? Remember I have been in both camps, your standpoint lacks perspective.
The recent events have very very little to do with the chosen aircraft or the so-called verboten shot, it is everything else he builds on those moments when this is successful that is the objectionable aspect. Are you really choosing to believe the increasingly enormous amount of smack talk is the hallmark of an innocent player who is all about the fight?
Your devious 'cultivating opinions' thread is nothing more than a contrived attempt to portray a segment of this community with a reasonable objection as malicious bullies.
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Meh....Needs more taters :D
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It was good, but would have been even better if the Spitfire had a bud helping him and you downed them both.
2 v 1's are generally more fun because they add more SA to the fight, imho. :joystick:
Go to a lone field and get in a 5 v 1 in a hurri. Then land. That is worth a star. Then do it three more times.
if we still had lone strats.....take 110g and register 6 kills against 2 109's (that kept coming for more) in a turn fight and land those.
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Are you really choosing to believe the increasingly enormous amount of smack talk is the hallmark of an innocent player who is all about the fight?
Your devious 'cultivating opinions' thread is nothing more than a contrived attempt to portray a segment of this community with a reasonable objection as malicious bullies.
Nrshida, with all respect, Batfink is one of the three best pilots I've ever met in AH2 (Shane and Lev being the other two). He goes out of his way to be fair and pleasant to all, probably more than any other player. You're way off the mark to attribute bad motives to him.
- oldman
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Good fight.
At the start I think you may have over used the throttle. It also looked like you came in with a slight E advantage which was nullified with the chopped throttle.
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Nrshida, with all respect, Batfink is one of the three best pilots I've ever met in AH2 (Shane and Lev being the other two). He goes out of his way to be fair and pleasant to all, probably more than any other player. You're way off the mark to attribute bad motives to him.
- oldman
Batfink's flying has nothing to do with it. This is not a good time to post threads with subterfuge.
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Let's muddy the waters and digress further!
Batfink used to not blast me just so fights would go longer :)
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Nrshida, with all respect... You're way off the mark ...
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:huh
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And what is more, so many people complain about how others fly, what others fly, where others fly until they are blue in the face. But then when they see someone, as in this clip, flying it out till the end without using any of the supposed verboten tactics, they find another reason to complain! Incredible how hard it is to please a human being sometimes. There is always something. Which just goes to show that next time someone complains at you for how you enjoy your AcesHigh time.....don't bother listening to them or changing anything...because they will only find another reason to complain if you do.
With all due respect, Batty, and you know I have nothing but respect for you... it has nothing to do with his flying, less to do with his plane choice... and everything to do with his attitude and desire to do any and everything in his power to irritate and be obnoxious. Unfortunately, I rarely see you in the MA, and haven't seen much of you in the MA for quite some time, save for the occasional appearance. Up until recently, when it seems who found a way to pretty much stay muted all of the time, he was the most intolerable POS in the game, like that really annoying guy you knew from school who would do and say things just to pizz people off to get a reaction. Honestly sir, you're... for lack of a better term... clueless as to what the true nature of the problem people have with this insufferable jakkazz.
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I'd say so bat.... but I'd have to say you made that fight..... I'm pretty sure you could have finished that sooner but allowed it to get slow... just my thoughts after fighting you.... you always give a chance and make a fight of it.
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Oh I see somebody else noticed this as well ;)
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This fight was in a quiet area of the LMA about 4 months ago. Is this the kind of fight people are looking for when they log in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhLY7qwTIMo
Opinions please
Here you ask a question, and while it is later pointed out that these seems to be an ulterior motive...
Although I am sensing there might be an ulterior motive to the post :), I would say a good fight.
The post continue some what about the fight, and a number of stray topics added in which you where shooting for anyway as the real topic which you admit to here ...
Another thing I'd like to voice is that a lot of people have tried to make negative comment about the spitfire pilot's flying in the video. So a couple of points on that:
1) This spitfire flying is way above average for MA flying ability
2) Most of the people with negative comments have decided they know the spitfire pilot and therefore voiced an opinion biased towards that person
3) Most of the people who posted negative comments couldn't do it any better
4) None of the people who posted negative comments have had a fight this good for a long time against a spitfire
5) The above probably being because they gave up from the start, ready to blame the enemy's plane choice for their demise before it is even certain
And what is more, so many people complain about how others fly, what others fly, where others fly until they are blue in the face. But then when they see someone, as in this clip, flying it out till the end without using any of the supposed verboten tactics, they find another reason to complain! Incredible how hard it is to please a human being sometimes. There is always something. Which just goes to show that next time someone complains at you for how you enjoy your AcesHigh time.....don't bother listening to them or changing anything...because they will only find another reason to complain if you do.
which really has nothing to do with "How someone flys". In the OP, it is all about the fight in that film. great work by both players to win the fight, no question about it. It doesn't matter who EITHER of the players are, because we are discussing the fight.
However, you take the thread totally away from the original post, now we are discussing how people complain or criticize. Make up your mind, which topic would you like to discuss? Because one certainly has nothing to do with the other.
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A couple weeks ago, I went to the DA with Who. We had five fights, I lost them all. We both were flying the same A/C. I lost the fights through poor rolling scissors execution. A couple of the fights he owned me, a couple were good. Who has improved a lot since he first started. Perhaps he is a shade, I do not know or care. He executed well timed maneuvers and beat me.
Bat, it was a good fight. Great throttle control and SA. The Spit was doing well too.
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A couple weeks ago, I went to the DA with Who. We had five fights, I lost them all. We both were flying the same A/C. I lost the fights through poor rolling scissors execution. A couple of the fights he owned me, a couple were good. Who has improved a lot since he first started. Perhaps he is a shade, I do not know or care. He executed well timed maneuvers and beat me.
Bat, it was a good fight. Great throttle control and SA. The Spit was doing well too.
Thank you TomG. :)
You didn't have to say that, and I very much appreciate you publicly being this nice to me. :salute :rock
After HOing you a bit recently though, I am not worthy. :cry
I suspect the Spitfire pilot in the video may not be me.. not that it matters much. :)
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Well, I did not intend any ulterior motive infact. I purely wanted to know if this was a good fight. What transpired was that some people decided they knew who the spitfire pilot was and thus biased their answers completely. My previous post about people never being satisfied was not planned or shot for, it simply became apparent to me during the thread. My apologies if anyone thinks I have deceived them. I would like to point out quite clearly that at no point has anyone confirmed or denied who the other pilot in the film was. People just got an idea and went with it. Therefore I would like to suggest that it was not me who made the motive of this thread spurious at all but infact it was the replies that made the threads subject matter uncertain.
I challenge anyone to deny the massive irony in people complaining about lack of fights and then when seeing a great fight, complaining about how the spitfire flew even though it stayed in the fight for over seven minutes. That irony was not a product of design of the OP.
Even so, many people ignored the fact that the spitfire pilot may have been a person that annoys them and answered about the fight, which can give us hope. This is one of the best communities on the interwebs.
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Batfink,
This thread appeared something like 24 hours after you contributed in the Operation Midway thread, where you took the standpoint that you didn't think Midway was a one (or two) trick pony and that he never HOed you and that you had had good long fights with him in a remote corner of the MA.
Then you post this film stating:-
This fight was in a quiet area of the LMA about 4 months ago.
...featuring an 'anonymous', brown Spitfire Mark VIII who you say once again later in this thread is not a one trick pony (or words to that effect).
Are you seriously asserting that you had no ulterior motive?
I challenge anyone to deny the massive irony in people complaining about lack of fights and then when seeing a great fight, complaining about how the spitfire flew even though it stayed in the fight for over seven minutes. That irony was not a product of design of the OP.
This is no challenge and no irony, this is a Strawman argument. No one is complaining about Midway's aeroplane choice nor that he sticks around and gives a fight. That is commendable and something I even complimented him on in my Goodbye Midway letter.
Furthermore no one is complaining about applying the attributes of their aircraft against the other. You do this throughout this fight, exploiting superior slow speed stability, tighter turn radius in that regime and the natural predisposition of this 109 to drop its nose automatically in combination to force your overshoots.
No, our objection is very simple and explicit: It is all of Midway's other antics built upon his fighting activities to which we object. If he stopped doing that and just fought then there would be no aggravation at all. Of course he wouldn't get as much attention that way.
Even so, many people ignored the fact that the spitfire pilot may have been a person that annoys them and answered about the fight, which can give us hope. This is one of the best communities on the interwebs.
And by implication those who were able to see your ulterior motive and recognise the pilot immediately give this community despair? Stop messing around then and post the ahf file and prove the Brown Baron wasn't Midway.
There is no accidental transpiration of events in this thread you engineered this as a trap and it backfired. There would be more dignity in acknowledging this instead of trying to project the wrongdoing onto the faction you have identified as 'bullying' Midway.
This community could be even better, if that certain small minority would not allow the interweb to amplify their egos and personality issues. It only takes a little discipline, they are presumably reasonably civilised in 'normal' interaction? This is no longer an endeavour however to which I choose to apply energy.
Batfink I bear you no ill-will personally you have always been respectful and polite to me and I reciprocate your compliment by saying you are undoubtedly a highly skilled virtual pilot. I think this endeavour was a little shady on your part, but I shan't hold it against you since you clearly feel very strongly on this matter.
I have a suggestion for you: if you think Midway is an innocent, persecuted by other players why don't you take him in hand, schedule regular appointments and teach him everything you know about ACM. Then step back and see what he does with that knowledge.
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Shida, you definitely read too much into my words here. Yes of course I knew that the Spit8 would rouse suspicion especially considering the recent 'operation midway' thread that you started. That does not mean to say that I forced anyone to react to that ambiguity.
just to clear up my opinions. I have not once defended midway. I am contradicting people I disagree with about his flying ability which, while not outstanding yet, is certainly worthy of creating a fun fight. More importantly, he does stay around and fight. If you read through the Operation Midway thread again you will see countless posts berating midway for his flying ability and not his personality. This leads me to believe the some people just intend to attempt to put him down about the only thing they think he may care about. An endeavour which proved to fail as we already know he has a cast iron ego. I also commented on the fact that his public self congratulation is only a more basic form of what we all do when we present a side of ourself we like to the community. Because his is so open it fails to annoy me in any way. If it says midway on the tin and I open it to see a contents of midway, how could I complain?
You say no one is complaining at midway's aeroplane choice but that is simply not true. His predilection for flying the spitfire is one of the main things people like to attack him for.
There is no accidental transpiration of events in this thread you engineered this as a trap and it backfired. There would be more dignity in acknowledging this instead of trying to project the wrongdoing onto the faction you have identified as 'bullying' Midway.
If it was a trap that backfired what did I intend? For you to say 'good fight' then for me to say 'aha, but this is midway!' Then I suppose I would have slapped my knee and had a jolly good chuckle at your expense?
No. Exactly the opposite infact. If the midway witch hunters had said 'good fight' without prejudice I would have been impressed. What I suspected was that negative feedback would be given by some simply because they thought they knew who was flying one of the aircraft. No matter if Midway deserves your derision or not, to assume who is flying and then base your appraisal of the flying displayed upon that fact is proof alone that one is deeply affected by the antics of Midway. Which, unless I am mistaken, is his intended result. Ergo he is actually encouraged by the reactions he is given.
So yes, you are right that I had thoughts in my mind as to the impact my film might have. I did not however try to trick anyone. You see what you want to see and write what you want to write.
It does not matter who was flying the spitfire.
I must also state that I am not defending anyone, nor do I intend to. If I enter any discussion with my typically off the wall viewpoints it is purely for my own sake. I also have no issue with anyone. I loves you all.
If anyone is interested, this film will be part of a training series I'm currently trying to make which will, rather than explain technical aspects, just explain what the pilot was thinking during the film. I'll be posting it in the training forum sometimes today and hopefully making many more.
here is that thread now: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,343759.0.html
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Hmm, if I enjoy this thread, should I give skins another chance on netflix? :)
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Shida, you definitely read too much into my words here.
It is my nature and business to go deeply to the core of things. I'm not going to debate your motives and degree of deception. Your point about a difference between flying and personality is absolutely accepted. I myself would love to only deal with Midway's flying, let him bring his best face-shooting game to the match and it is for me to figure out how to deny him that shot.
Those who simply have a grudge against the Spitfire should know better, those that have a grudge against a face-shooting Spitfire start to have a credible objection and those who object to a face-shooting Spitfire pilot who then uses this as a platform from which to perpetually troll other players and demand respect for his falsely amplified 'fighting prowess' absolutely do have the right to complain.
No you have not defended Midway but you have not criticised or challenged him either, this is a different thing.
Midway is going to attract an awful lot of criticism, insults and derision and I am sure he accepts this as an occupational hazard and perhaps an enjoyable part of his activities here. He should really, if there is any semblance to real life don't you think?
He doesn't have a cast iron ego, he has a fragile ego and a strict gameplan / flowchart to protect his need and insecurity some of which I listed in the other thread, but this is now uninteresting to me.
I don't think everyone agreed it was a good fight, so unfortunately your experiment can't be entirely successful. Nor did I observe your direct connection between people's opinion of Midway and the fight. I thought several people who knew it was him still commented about the fight in isolation.
Midway essentially breaks the social convention of this community repeatidly, that's why people get offended. The convention which I learned here as I'm sure did you was that smack talking about owning someone necessitated a session in the DA in the same planes and with the same energy and no interuptions, a convention which Midway cannot adhere because it would undermine his trickery and everybody now knows it.
I think your new film series sounds like an interesting and beneficial project which will be received favourably by the community.
I loves you all.
:salute Batfink.
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You say no one is complaining at midway's aeroplane choice but that is simply not true. His predilection for flying the spitfire is one of the main things people like to attack him for.
I don't think people attack him for his choice of plane their sick and tired of his pompous arrogant egotistical attitude displayed in game and on the bb, on many occasions (forget to squelch him upon entering the arena) I've seen him on 200 carrying on how he pwned this guy or that guy over and over to the point of being sickening, the last rant he went on before his latest mute was his rant on how much he owned skyrock just going on and onand on will he was muted.
Personally I can't stand the guy that's why I have him muted on the bbs and instantly mute him upon entering the game, he's just an attention seeking person and quite frankly annoying .
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Even if it was Midway, it's a good fight :rolleyes:
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I found this fight fun to watch ,and all around most likely a fun fight for both players.Neather of these players suck ,that's easy to say but the 109 stick from wining the merge threw the whole fight is the better stick (i think),though he could have lost that fight many times with a good head shot from the spit.
I wont go in to flying styles as i was not in the fight and could not see it from the spits point of view.
Ty for sharing though and i would love to get up with that 109 stick for a while.
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He doesn't have a cast iron ego, he has a fragile ego and a strict gameplan / flowchart to protect his need and insecurity some of which I listed in the other thread, but this is now uninteresting to me.
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Midway essentially breaks the social convention of this community repeatidly, that's why people get offended. The convention which I learned here as I'm sure did you was that smack talking about owning someone necessitated a session in the DA in the same planes and with the same energy and no interuptions, a convention which Midway cannot adhere because it would undermine his trickery and everybody now knows it.
The other way to look at it is that it's the obsessive anti-Midway crowd that have the fragile egos and insecurity issues...so offended by some mediocre pre-Y2k level trolling ("I pwn j00 @ gamez") that they get completely bent out of shape every time said troll speaks in game or posts on the forum.
People get offended not because of Midway's awful smack talk (because it's not awful - he's annoying but not foul mouthed or excessively rude to people in the community), but because they can't stand their precious ego and reputation as a virtual fighter pilot being challenged by someone who they perceive as being so far beneath their own laudable e-stature.
In any other gaming community Midway would simply be ignored or relegated to the level of numerous other weak trolls. Only in this community where there are so many immature babies masquerading as grown men would someone like him become public enemy #1.
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The other way to look at it is that it's the obsessive anti-Midway crowd that have the fragile egos and insecurity issues...so offended by some mediocre pre-Y2k level trolling ("I pwn j00 @ gamez") that they get completely bent out of shape every time said troll speaks in game or posts on the forum.
People get offended not because of Midway's awful smack talk (because it's not awful - he's annoying but not foul mouthed or excessively rude to people in the community), but because they can't stand their precious ego and reputation as a virtual fighter pilot being challenged by someone who they perceive as being so far beneath their own laudable e-stature.
In any other gaming community Midway would simply be ignored or relegated to the level of numerous other weak trolls. Only in this community where there are so many immature babies masquerading as grown men would someone like him become public enemy #1.
-1 for throwing something out there with little forethought, being a contrarian for its own sake, and lack of creativity.
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I agree Coombz. I heard Who on vox the other day and hell, he sounds like a little kid (teenager). So I just consider the source, roll my eyes and move on.
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It was a good, fun to watch fight......doesnt matter who it was in the Spit...or in the 109...... :old:
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The other way to look at it is that it's the obsessive anti-Midway crowd that have the fragile egos and insecurity issues...so offended by some mediocre pre-Y2k level trolling ("I pwn j00 @ gamez") that they get completely bent out of shape every time said troll speaks in game or posts on the forum.
People get offended not because of Midway's awful smack talk (because it's not awful - he's annoying but not foul mouthed or excessively rude to people in the community), but because they can't stand their precious ego and reputation as a virtual fighter pilot being challenged by someone who they perceive as being so far beneath their own laudable e-stature.
In any other gaming community Midway would simply be ignored or relegated to the level of numerous other weak trolls. Only in this community where there are so many immature babies masquerading as grown men would someone like him become public enemy #1.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rock
Now, back to the topic at hand, please. :old:
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It was good, but would have been even better if the Spitfire had a bud helping him and you downed them both.
2 v 1's are generally more fun because they add more SA to the fight, imho. :joystick:
A fight against your own odds/favor, I'm sincerely surprised you even remember those middy. :devil
(they're awesome! :rock )
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The other way to look at it is that it's the obsessive anti-Midway crowd that have the fragile egos and insecurity issues...so offended by some mediocre pre-Y2k level trolling ("I pwn j00 @ gamez") that they get completely bent out of shape every time said troll speaks in game or posts on the forum.
People get offended not because of Midway's awful smack talk (because it's not awful - he's annoying but not foul mouthed or excessively rude to people in the community), but because they can't stand their precious ego and reputation as a virtual fighter pilot being challenged by someone who they perceive as being so far beneath their own laudable e-stature.
In any other gaming community Midway would simply be ignored or relegated to the level of numerous other weak trolls. Only in this community where there are so many immature babies masquerading as grown men would someone like him become public enemy #1.
Your theory would imply, either through the faults of their own ego or sence of entitlement, that nothing but hate and malcontent is directed twords him.
This theory would explain nothing about the frequent (maybe you and others would argue excessive) and evident amounts of pitty and remorse by the community for him. Most the posts follow the path of expressed remorse and guilt from players about not explaining or teaching middy better. Some still try, some have given up, and then yet there's even more combined that simpley have no clue but love to chime in.
9 out of 10 posts regarding him, imho, resonate like a family counseling session after the parents picked jr. up from the local presinct - "oh where did we go wrong", "what can we do", "how do we change".
I think middy's just a juvenille troll who will one day regret taking such generous and caring folks for a ride, painfuly so.
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Now, back to the topic at hand, please. :old:
:bhead
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The other way to look at it is that it's the obsessive anti-Midway crowd that have the fragile egos and insecurity issues...so offended by some mediocre pre-Y2k level trolling ("I pwn j00 @ gamez") that they get completely bent out of shape every time said troll speaks in game or posts on the forum.
People get offended not because of Midway's awful smack talk (because it's not awful - he's annoying but not foul mouthed or excessively rude to people in the community), but because they can't stand their precious ego and reputation as a virtual fighter pilot being challenged by someone who they perceive as being so far beneath their own laudable e-stature.
In any other gaming community Midway would simply be ignored or relegated to the level of numerous other weak trolls. Only in this community where there are so many immature babies masquerading as grown men would someone like him become public enemy #1.
I have a counter theory for you Mr. Coombz, you say any other gaming community and this does imply there is something different here. I think a lot of Aces High players, especially the more mature ones don't play a lot of other games and / or don't have the vast experience of internet culture that you seem to have for instance.
Look at me, this is my first forum, my only computer game. I'm sure you find it hilarious to see someone like me getting trolled like a noob and all those other things I have to look up to see what they mean.
From my perspective the whole Midway episode had to be experienced to be believed. Still now why someone would pursue this as an activity is beyond me, wouldn't they be better taking up something more constructive? Probably showing my age there aren't I? :lol
I agree with Babalonian, an awful lot of players tried to help him, not so much help him so that he'd 'tow the party line' but more so he wouldn't have to rely on what has become accepted in this culture as an unsportsmanlike shot. Everyone that helped him with ACM ultimately just helped him attain those shots with more frequency which is rather a shame and a betrayal of their time and energy.
Also, surely the obsession lies at Midway's feet does it not?
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I have a counter theory for you Mr. Coombz, you say any other gaming community and this does imply there is something different here. I think a lot of Aces High players, especially the more mature ones don't play a lot of other games and / or don't have the vast experience of internet culture that you seem to have for instance.
Look at me, this is my first forum, my only computer game. I'm sure you find it hilarious to see someone like me getting trolled like a noob and all those other things I have to look up to see what they mean.
From my perspective the whole Midway episode had to be experienced to be believed. Still now why someone would pursue this as an activity is beyond me, wouldn't they be better taking up something more constructive? Probably showing my age there aren't I? :lol
I agree with Babalonian, an awful lot of players tried to help him, not so much help him so that he'd 'tow the party line' but more so he wouldn't have to rely on what has become accepted in this culture as an unsportsmanlike shot. Everyone that helped him with ACM ultimately just helped him attain those shots with more frequency which is rather a shame and a betrayal of their time and energy.
Also, surely the obsession lies at Midway's feet does it not?
First if all, other than Wii Blazing Angels and MS Flight Simulator I have played very few games. This one grabbed a hold of me due to my lifelong interest in aeroplanes and flying.
Second, like Nrshida, this is the first and only forum I've ever participated in and likely my last.
Third, you are making up way too much silly stuff about me trolling and such. I'm for the most part just being me, honest, and sincere, with a bit of fun and silliness mixed in. Your hyper sensitivity and need to analyze me is kind of silly at times, imho. But, I do like silly. :D
Fourth, as several excellent pilots have already said, they have either never or rarely been HOed by me in the MA in recent memory. I do HO often, but usually, not always, wait for the other guy to pull the trigger first. The main reason Krupnski, BatfinkV, and Bruv, as examples, say I don't HO them is because they don't shoot first, usually don't get directly in front of my guns on first merge, and I therefore tend to hold my fire. Often not even knowing it's them. Remember they have honestly told you they have rarely, if ever, been HOed by me.
Fifth, I have never cursed, or otherwise used foul or crude language or crude name calling as many others have. That's a line I won't cross out of respect no matter how many names or crude insinuations others have applied to me or their other fellow pilots.
Sixth, I have never been angry or otherwise furious at anything anyone has said or done in game or in forum. It's a game. Although there sure are a wide variety of real life personalities involved creating quite the colorful interaction. Everything from hard working blue and white collar people to movie stars to kids to veterans to wives and moms to rock stars to pilots to rich people to poor people and everything in between. Makes for a lot of disagreements and discussions as all this variety of people try to reconcile things.
Seventh, I have always been and am grateful for help received and have reciprocated on many occasions. By far my primary intent here and in-game being to have fun improving my piloting skills to beat the best pilots.
I could go on, but for the sake of a little bit of brevity won't. Seven being a lucky number. :) The point is that you and many others, seem to over interpret my too frequent communication and silliness. In the immortal words of Sgt Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis".
... and that goes for the rest of you Midway haters too, if you can, please. :)
Feel free to make up whatever mumbo jumbo you want, for your satisfaction and pleasure, but I've, again, given you my honest and sincere thoughts on this.
I know some of you won't be able to help yourselves from doing so. :rolleyes:
Please don't respond in this thread so we can get back to the original topic at hand. :old:
A new thread, if you require it, is easy to start although likely not worth it. :old:
To those that already realize most of this, I admire your insight. :old:
To everyone that took the time to read, I thank you. :old:
My apologies to BatfinkV for this lengthy (and over-communicated) diversion from the original intent of his thread. :salute
Now, back to having fun practicing and improving my piloting/pwning skills. :joystick:
:cheers:
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What is wrong with you people?
Great fight Bat and Mr. ?.
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the last rant he went on before his latest mute was his rant on how much he owned skyrock just going on and onand on will he was muted.
Dang wish I had seen that one. The circle of life. :lol
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The circle of life. :lol
If only he had the skills to back up his smack.... he just might get there! :devil
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I guess we will never find out middy, doesn't do the DA :(
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Loved every minute of it Bat ... those are the type of fights you wait for and treasure. I thought the Spitty did a pretty good job just staying out of reach. Like you said, that was above average MA skill.
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I have a counter theory for you Mr. Coombz, you say any other gaming community and this does imply there is something different here. I think a lot of Aces High players, especially the more mature ones don't play a lot of other games and / or don't have the vast experience of internet culture that you seem to have for instance.
Look at me, this is my first forum, my only computer game. I'm sure you find it hilarious to see someone like me getting trolled like a noob and all those other things I have to look up to see what they mean.
From my perspective the whole Midway episode had to be experienced to be believed. Still now why someone would pursue this as an activity is beyond me, wouldn't they be better taking up something more constructive? Probably showing my age there aren't I? :lol
I agree with Babalonian, an awful lot of players tried to help him, not so much help him so that he'd 'tow the party line' but more so he wouldn't have to rely on what has become accepted in this culture as an unsportsmanlike shot. Everyone that helped him with ACM ultimately just helped him attain those shots with more frequency which is rather a shame and a betrayal of their time and energy.
Also, surely the obsession lies at Midway's feet does it not?
I don't think you proposed a counter theory there - unless you meant it to be the bit where you said that the majority of this community don't play many (or any) other games and don't have a wide experience of the wonderful (ahem) world of internet gaming communities.
That is exactly what I was implying myself! :) That's why the reaction to Midway is so extreme and adverse. Most AH pilots are people who are more used to 'real life' where someone shouldn't or wouldn't act the way that Midway does without being able to back it up, or facing some kind of painful physical censure :>
A lot of the responsibility does indeed lie at Midway's feet for provoking people, but as I mentioned above his brand of trolling is actually extremely mild. The excessive anger and hatred that he receives from some people in the community is out of all proportion to what he dishes out himself. I think that is due to the previously mentioned lack of experience with that kind of trolling behaviour that we both referred to AND ALSO the big heads and sensitive egos of so many AH pilots who are extremely proud and protective of their reputation as an e-dogfighter.
For example, just consider the amount of hatred Midway received BEFORE he even started with this 'i pwn so and so' schtick...
When he first came out of the woodwork and limited himself to worshiping Bruv he was still the recipient of a huge amount of vitriol and abuse on the forums. Yes, he was annoying (although Bruv probably had more reason to be annoyed than anyone else imo) but I think the main reason he got such a negative reaction is because the other top dog fighter pilots weren't getting the worship they felt they deserved, and they and their buddies felt aggrieved about it. I remember this very clearly from the various threads and posts at the time.
Now that he's blowing off at the mouth with 'i pwn this guy' and 'i pwn that guy' etc etc, without backing any of it up in the DA, he's even managed to bait in such normally level headed people such as yourself. There must be SOME element of insecurity there, such that you can't just say to yourself 'I know I'm better than this joker, so who cares what he says'.
Ever since Midway has placed himself on a pedestal that you feel he does not deserve to be on you have been grumpy with him. This again is something I recall very clearly from posts and threads on here.
Despite your lack of experience with such characters, I'm sure you must know he's just a troll and arguing with him will never achieve anything. But you haven't been able to let it go (until now perhaps, since you've put him on ignore :) )
Finally the biggest supporting fact of my statement that Midway most effectively trolls people with oversized egos and extremely high opinions of their own fighter pilot prowess is how people such as (but not solely limited to) Shane and Skyrock react to him. Great pilots and often successful trolls in their own right, but all Midway has to do is make a baseless claim that he can 'pwn them with substantial frequency' and it's like putting a red rag in front of a bull.
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I don't think you proposed a counter theory there - unless you meant it to be the bit where you said that the majority of this community don't play many (or any) other games and don't have a wide experience of the wonderful (ahem) world of internet gaming communities.
That is exactly what I was implying myself! :) That's why the reaction to Midway is so extreme and adverse. Most AH pilots are people who are more used to 'real life' where someone shouldn't or wouldn't act the way that Midway does without being able to back it up, or facing some kind of painful physical censure :>
A lot of the responsibility does indeed lie at Midway's feet for provoking people, but as I mentioned above his brand of trolling is actually extremely mild. The excessive anger and hatred that he receives from some people in the community is out of all proportion to what he dishes out himself. I think that is due to the previously mentioned lack of experience with that kind of trolling behaviour that we both referred to AND ALSO the big heads and sensitive egos of so many AH pilots who are extremely proud and protective of their reputation as an e-dogfighter.
For example, just consider the amount of hatred Midway received BEFORE he even started with this 'i pwn so and so' schtick...
When he first came out of the woodwork and limited himself to worshiping Bruv he was still the recipient of a huge amount of vitriol and abuse on the forums. Yes, he was annoying (although Bruv probably had more reason to be annoyed than anyone else imo) but I think the main reason he got such a negative reaction is because the other top dog fighter pilots weren't getting the worship they felt they deserved, and they and their buddies felt aggrieved about it. I remember this very clearly from the various threads and posts at the time.
Now that he's blowing off at the mouth with 'i pwn this guy' and 'i pwn that guy' etc etc, without backing any of it up in the DA, he's even managed to bait in such normally level headed people such as yourself. There must be SOME element of insecurity there, such that you can't just say to yourself 'I know I'm better than this joker, so who cares what he says'.
Ever since Midway has placed himself on a pedestal that you feel he does not deserve to be on you have been grumpy with him. This again is something I recall very clearly from posts and threads on here.
Despite your lack of experience with such characters, I'm sure you must know he's just a troll and arguing with him will never achieve anything. But you haven't been able to let it go (until now perhaps, since you've put him on ignore :) )
Finally the biggest supporting fact of my statement that Midway most effectively trolls people with oversized egos and extremely high opinions of their own fighter pilot prowess is how people such as (but not solely limited to) Shane and Skyrock react to him. Great pilots and often successful trolls in their own right, but all Midway has to do is make a baseless claim that he can 'pwn them with substantial frequency' and it's like putting a red rag in front of a bull.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rock
Pardon my responding, but I couldn't help myself due to coombz's awesome level of insight and sharing of same, 90% spot on. :cheers:
May coombz help pull nrshida from the ledge of the abyss located in the dark side, one day. :pray
Perhaps some people interpret true open admiration for the awesome skills of the likes of Bruv, and true open pride in pwnage of the likes of Shane with proven substantial frequency, as trolling... but I am/was being sincere and honest. :aok.
Maybe some people are accidentally trolling? :old:
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Loved every minute of it Bat ... those are the type of fights you wait for and treasure. I thought the Spitty did a pretty good job just staying out of reach. Like you said, that was above average MA skill.
great to see you Slap!
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Finally the biggest supporting fact of my statement that Midway most effectively trolls people with oversized egos and extremely high opinions of their own fighter pilot prowess is how people such as (but not solely limited to) Shane and Skyrock react to him. Great pilots and often successful trolls in their own right, but all Midway has to do is make a baseless claim that he can 'pwn them with substantial frequency' and it's like putting a red rag in front of a bull.
Just to be clear, I have nothing against Midway at all except for his seeming lack of willingness to expand his skill-set. I don't call him names, but some of those songs with "niki" in them were nicely adapted to Middy. :noid
I'm not a big HO hater - I even often compiment them with "nice ho" when they succeed. :aok I don't particularly care for "joust warriors" (hey INK, add this to the lexicon) who (heh) will make a HO pass extend 5k reverse and repeat. Midway doesn't do that.
I admire the way Midway has gotten into so many other heads tho' . :old:
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Just to be clear, I have nothing against Midway at all except for his seeming lack of willingness to expand his skill-set. I don't call him names, but some of those songs with "niki" in them were nicely adapted to Middy. :noid
I'm not a big HO hater - I even often compiment them with "nice ho" when they succeed. :aok I don't particularly care for "joust warriors" (hey INK, add this to the lexicon) who (heh) will make a HO pass extend 5k reverse and repeat. Midway doesn't do that.
I admire the way Midway has gotten into so many other heads tho' . :old:
Admiration being a more noble emotion than envy. :old:
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Just to be clear, I have nothing against Midway at all except for his seeming lack of willingness to expand his skill-set. I don't call him names, but some of those songs with "niki" in them were nicely adapted to Middy. :noid
I'm not a big HO hater - I even often compiment them with "nice ho" when they succeed. :aok I don't particularly care for "joust warriors" (hey INK, add this to the lexicon) who (heh) will make a HO pass extend 5k reverse and repeat. Midway doesn't do that.
I admire the way Midway has gotten into so many other heads tho' . :old:
:aok
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I admire the way Midway has gotten into so many other heads tho' . :old:
Yeah, that's the only thing I like about him so far... maybe he'll give up on the misleading claims and actually learn how to own... then again, maybe he won't! :aok
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... maybe he'll give up on the misleading claims and actually learn how to own... then again, maybe he won't! :aok
:rolleyes:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,343717.msg4537260.html#msg4537260 :joystick:
Spitfires and P38s. :D
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Now that he's blowing off at the mouth with 'i pwn this guy' and 'i pwn that guy' etc etc, without backing any of it up in the DA, he's even managed to bait in such normally level headed people such as yourself. There must be SOME element of insecurity there, such that you can't just say to yourself 'I know I'm better than this joker, so who cares what he says'.
Ever since Midway has placed himself on a pedestal that you feel he does not deserve to be on you have been grumpy with him. This again is something I recall very clearly from posts and threads on here.
It's not insecurity in my flying, I've never claimed my e-pedestal as you called it to be anything more than exactly 1.00 nrshidas long, and it's not important to me or relevant to compare that to someone else's pedestal. What finally made me get annoyed with 'He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named' was the realisation that he had boiled me like a frog. This was bitter for me since I felt a slight responsibility for him becoming what he has become.
It was even more bitter because this isn't the first time this has happened to me. Once a friend and I took a new player and trained him up. It was my friend's idea thinking that this player would also stop picking and HOing and take up skillful flying. Then one day after we'd spent many many hours training him we spent 45 minutes at the furbal lake in God Mode watching him HOing and picking with greater skill and even more spitefullness. As it turned out there was a specific reason for this person being that way.
'The Brown Lord' may even be the same player for all I know, there are remarkable similarities. I no longer help new players improve their ACM because of him.
Despite your lack of experience with such characters, I'm sure you must know he's just a troll and arguing with him will never achieve anything. But you haven't been able to let it go (until now perhaps, since you've put him on ignore )
Well I did finally get it, as I explained somewhere else it's my nature to go deeply to the heart of things to try to understand. Actually in this case when I got there I found it was uninteresting anyway and I am frustrated at myself for putting so much energy into it.
Oh well, life is all about experiencing and learning.
I apologise to the community (with the exception of Voldemidway) if I have been annoying throughout this episode.
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For someone who HO's as much as you do, one would think you'd be better at it.
Or at least save your cannon rounds... had you not tried hitting me nose on 3 times, you'd have had the ammo to finish the job. <S>
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I no longer help new players improve their ACM because of him.
It's not because of him, it's because of your choice not to. I think that is a sad situation too. A loss to the community and through your choice. Don't blame one person for your lack of faith in helping people. I've helped lots of people in the DA over the years, just as lots of good folks helped me before. The occasional one would start off polite and fun and then when they had developed skill they turned into total butt munchers attitude wise. Far more rude and obnoxious than Midway ever is. If I let that dissuade me from passing on a little knowledge here and there I would never have eventually joined the trainer corps.
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It's not because of him, it's because of your choice not to. I think that is a sad situation too. A loss to the community and through your choice. Don't blame one person for your lack of faith in helping people. I've helped lots of people in the DA over the years, just as lots of good folks helped me before. The occasional one would start off polite and fun and then when they had developed skill they turned into total butt munchers attitude wise. Far more rude and obnoxious than Midway ever is. If I let that dissuade me from passing on a little knowledge here and there I would never have eventually joined the trainer corps.
I agree with this :aok
or at least to the point that you shouldn't take it out on new guys because one was a tard in the past.
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I agree with this :aok
or at least to the point that you shouldn't take it out on new guys because one was a tard in the past.
Errrmmmm - he's mentioned *two* that left a bad taste. If those were the only two he helped to any extent... I can see how he might be a little gunshy.
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It's not because of him, it's because of your choice not to.
It's because of him, and the other, which may in fact be him, that I chose not to. Perhaps you are right a more sophisticated screening process would have prevented it.
However it is a moot point, I hardly have time to fly for myself anymore. Perhaps if nice people ask my for help I can contribute a little advice or some short lessons in the interests of propagating skilful flying.
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... The excessive anger and hatred that he receives from some people in the community is out of all proportion to what he dishes out himself. I think that is due to the... big heads and sensitive egos of so many AH pilots who are extremely proud and protective of their reputation as an e-dogfighter.
Your defense of him is just another troll, and it's getting tiresome. This assessment misses the mark by so much, your round has left the rifle range. The reaction to him has nothing to do with egos or jealousy over the attention he gives the Few. :rolleyes:
True he doesn't swear, or be necessarily vitriolic. But niether is the guy who rings your doorbell and runs. If he kept ringing it, all hours of the day, every day of the week, and wouldn't stop even when begged and when reasoned with, you would eventually be chasing him down the street with a hand gun. Your failure to recognize his passive-agressive strategy is either naive, or an attempt to troll.
Can we please get back to watching the movie now? :salute
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It's because of him, and the other, which may in fact be him, that I chose not to. Perhaps you are right a more sophisticated screening process would have prevented it.
However it is a moot point, I hardly have time to fly for myself anymore. Perhaps if nice people ask my for help I can contribute a little advice or some short lessons in the interests of propagating skilful flying.
I have a very sophisticated screening system (when I'm playing.)
You probably don't have much experience or knowledge of me since I primarily flew before your time, altho' you might have caught glimpses when I played back in 2011.
A big part of my in-game persona is very much on the smack talker side - I don't make personal attacks beyond the confines of the game, nor am I vulgar (vulgarity is the first refuge of the mediocre.) I'm a lone wolf, often going up against odds whether from an advantage or not. This is where I'm most "visible"- my running smack with the hordemonkeys.
I challenge the size of their e-peens, hoping to bait them into asking me to the DA so they can prove they have more skills than someone who whines about dying against odds. A substantial amount of them time - hell, 98% of the time, it doesn't work (I think they *know* lol,) but... there have been those times when that person rose to the bait and took me to the DA and got schooled, and probably left with a tip or two. Of those people, only a handful swallowed their own egos for continued, well, I don't want to call it training so much as polishing.
That's my system - get past my MA persona, swallow that ego (at least temporarily) and be willing to learn.
So again I've helped numerous people with tips and fun practice in the DA, but have only taken under my wing a handful. I can't emphasize enough that the time I spent with my "peers" in the DA, just having fun in a variety of rides, etc - like with batfink, a lot of the muppets, quite a few la drivers where there was no big moment of enlightment just continual polishing to a brillance.
I respect effort. Other than being somehwat disappointed with Midway's refusal of so much good advice, I'd have to say another one I would consider to be a disappointment would be Higheye in his P-51. I first encounetred him in '08 when I came back for a few months and basically lurked a lot in the DA's furball lake. He'd be in a high 51, picking and hording with his squaddies (TAS Aero iirc) I thought I saw some potential as he was rising to my smack. I gave him a few pointers for the pony. Eventually I left and came back in '11 and he had finally evolved to the MA (and even had his own squad for a while) and lo and behold he was still flying pretty much as I left him in '08, just in the MA.
So here I am trying again to see if I can help him get better in that pony he loves so much, offering advice and even to wing in the MA and even going to the DA with him and a squaddie to show them what a pony is capable of. Throughout '11 I kept trying to get him t come around and swallow that ego - didn't happen. And then I left again. He any better?
The point is, you can't pick a winner every time. But even those random one-off encounters where you can pass along a tip just may have a butterfly effect down the line, hopefully a positive one.
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Some folks are legends in their own mind! :rock
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Shane I remember goin to the DA with ya...was quite fun :joystick:
Errrmmmm - he's mentioned *two* that left a bad taste. If those were the only two he helped to any extent... I can see how he might be a little gunshy.
ahh...I can see why that would make it harder
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... Higheye in his P-51. ... He any better?
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I like higheye a lot. Very nice pilot, thinks the pony is the best fighter in the game and doesn't accept the fact that the mighty Spitfire dispatches ponies with relatve ease, even after I've proven it to him on several occasions. :)
Having fought higheye's pony (and Spitfire), well... I certainly agree he could use help from a good pony pilot. He sure wants to be awesome in that pony, as I in my mighty Spitfire... and based on my experience BigR is indeed the best pony pilot I've seen to date. Maybe higheye and BigR (or batfinkV) could set up a TA session? :aok
I would really enjoy more frequently fighting and losing to, on occasion, a pony pilot of BigR's capabilities. :joystick:
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Any pilot that is willing to turn fight his 51, LA7, 51B, Dora, 110, mossy,etc with a Spit > Spit pilot who believes he's "out flown" them.
This is not an arguable fact.
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Your defense of him is just another troll, and it's getting tiresome.
While I do enjoy presenting a dissenting opinion when so many people are jumping on a hatred bandwagon and slapping each other on the back at all their hilarious insults, I am actually not trolling just for the sake of it. I truly believe what I have posted, especially the thing about about the 'people with egos at stake get trolled the most by Midway'
There are plenty of excellent sticks who don't get drawn in by him because they are humble enough and secure enough in their abilities that they just don't care what he says.
Perhaps it's easier for me to be objective about it because he really doesn't annoy me at all. I don't log enough hours in AH to really notice his 200 spamming (and I often de-tune 200 anyway when I am flying), and I also have no ego myself for him to damage. Midway is a better virtual pilot and dogfighter than I am. I can accept that without any qualms at all.
You see all kinds of excuses from those Midway shoots down and proceeds to troll, it's "But you only a fly an easy mode plane so it doesn't mean anything", "But it was in the MA so it doesn't mean anything", "But the stats show 75% of the time I can shoot you down instead so there", etc. You very rarely see "<S> good fight, I'll get you next time!! :D" or "At least Midway doesn't run away like 90% of the playerbase" - which is what I tend to think after tangling with him.
Your failure to recognize his passive-agressive strategy is either naive, or an attempt to troll.
Oh I recognize it all right. I just find it funny how effective that passive-aggressive strategy is at sending grown men completely off the deep end over an online game. The extremely angry and hate filled reaction that Midway gets from his mild-mannered brand of trolling is the sort of thing that makes the AH community unique.
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Oh I recognize it all right. I just find it funny how effective that passive-aggressive strategy is at sending grown men completely off the deep end over an online game. The extremely angry and hate filled reaction that Midway gets from his mild-mannered brand of trolling is the sort of thing that makes the AH community unique.
I have the converse reaction, I think it's funny (well that's not the right word at all, but it will do as a placeholder) that a grown man would actually set out to come up with and employ a strategy to deliberately send people off the deep end via the medium / safety of a 'game'. I'm not surprised people get annoyed. To not do so is to grant that special dispensation must be made to normal civilised behaviour just because most of our interaction is via the medium of a Virtual Environment.
Presumably Midway isn't like this in real world interaction. Can you imagine him acting the way he does playing a sport say or driving the same way he flies and shouting out the window the same way he brags on 200 / BBS?
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Presumably Midway isn't like this in real world interaction.
What led you to believe he has real world interaction? :headscratch:
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What led you to believe he has real world interaction? :headscratch:
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Well he must do something with his spare time :old:
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driving the same way he flies and shouting out the window the same way he brags on 200 / BBS?
*With head out window while driving* "THE STIG IS MY CAR DRIVING HERO!!! MAY WE ALL ONE DAY ACHIEVE HIS AWESOMESAUCE-NESS!!!"
(Top Gear reference)
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*With head out window while driving* "THE STIG IS MY CAR DRIVING HERO!!! MAY WE ALL ONE DAY ACHIEVE HIS AWESOMESAUCE-NESS!!!"
(Top Gear reference)
"There's just one small trick the Stig does which I haven't worked out yet. But when I do I will be faster than you all!".
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"There's just one small trick the Stig does which I haven't worked out yet. But when I do I will be faster than you all!".
:rofl
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"There's just one small trick the Stig does which I haven't worked out yet. But when I do I will be faster than you all!".
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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"There's just one small trick the Stig does which I haven't worked out yet. But when I do I will be faster than you all!".
:rofl