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Title: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 14, 2013, 08:41:26 AM
  The hard drive on my lap top is going bad and needs to be replaced.  I've never replaced a hard drive before and was wondering if there are any tricks that would make the process easier or any pitfalls I should be aware of before I begin.  I have the Windows Vista install disk.  Thanks
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Bizman on January 14, 2013, 09:57:20 AM
As long as you have access to the old disk, try to save all your personal files.

By the Vista install disk, do you mean one that either came with your laptop or a factory default disk that you were persuaded to create? A generic install disk will produce a leaner Windows, but you'd have to get all the drivers from the manufacturer's site. Also remember that some preinstalled programs can't be downloaded like Nero or other burner, and Cyberlink or other dvd viewer with codecs.

Be careful with static charges.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Bizman on January 14, 2013, 09:59:35 AM
First it won't take the post, then it triples
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Bizman on January 14, 2013, 10:08:23 AM
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Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 14, 2013, 10:56:28 AM
As long as you have access to the old disk, try to save all your personal files.

By the Vista install disk, do you mean one that either came with your laptop or a factory default disk that you were persuaded to create? A generic install disk will produce a leaner Windows, but you'd have to get all the drivers from the manufacturer's site. Also remember that some preinstalled programs can't be downloaded like Nero or other burner, and Cyberlink or other dvd viewer with codecs.

Be careful with static charges.

The disk came with the laptop.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 14, 2013, 11:07:00 AM
The disk came with the laptop.

Here's what you should do:

Buy an external USB harddrive enclosure. Make sure you get the correct kind (sata or ide depending on the type of your hdd, ide is becoming very rare). Unscrew the bottom of your laptop, remove the old harddrive. Slap in the new one. Screw back in again. Slap in the install dvd and let it do its thing.

While the OS is installing, install the old harddrive to your USB enclosure. After the OS finishes installing you can then plug in the USB enclosure proceed to extract whatever personal files you happen to have on the old harddrive. Then you might want to start uninstalling all the bloatware the laptop install disc stuffed your new HDD with.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Bizman on January 14, 2013, 11:13:35 AM
The disk came with the laptop.
Alright. Then the easiest way to do it is to just uninstall the old disk, put in the new and boot from the CD. After a short while you'd feel like gone back in time, your laptop acting precisely as it did when you first opened the box.

Note that there's probably an ancient time limited demo version of some antivirus. You most definitely would want to remove it and replace it with a more recent one. You also might want to get rid of some other preinstalled stuff, but that's outside the original question.  
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 14, 2013, 11:36:58 AM
Here's what you should do:

Buy an external USB harddrive enclosure. Make sure you get the correct kind (sata or ide depending on the type of your hdd, ide is becoming very rare). Unscrew the bottom of your laptop, remove the old harddrive. Slap in the new one. Screw back in again. Slap in the install dvd and let it do its thing.

While the OS is installing, install the old harddrive to your USB enclosure. After the OS finishes installing you can then plug in the USB enclosure proceed to extract whatever personal files you happen to have on the old harddrive. Then you might want to start uninstalling all the bloatware the laptop install disc stuffed your new HDD with.

Great suggestion, I never would have thought of that. 
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 14, 2013, 11:39:21 AM
Alright. Then the easiest way to do it is to just uninstall the old disk, put in the new and boot from the CD. After a short while you'd feel like gone back in time, your laptop acting precisely as it did when you first opened the box.

Note that there's probably an ancient time limited demo version of some antivirus. You most definitely would want to remove it and replace it with a more recent one. You also might want to get rid of some other preinstalled stuff, but that's outside the original question.  

That's what I first thought but I didn't know if that was the best thing to do.  Thanks. I'm beginning to think I can do this.   :D
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Bizman on January 14, 2013, 12:26:18 PM
You most certainly can, if you know which end of a screwdriver goes to the x-slot. The most difficult part would be making the laptop to boot from the CD, if it doesn't do that by default.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 14, 2013, 12:30:23 PM
The most difficult part would be making the laptop to boot from the CD, if it doesn't do that by default.

It doesn't.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Bizman on January 14, 2013, 12:51:16 PM
It doesn't.

Do you need advice on booting from cd? The best source would be the manual of your laptop. The second best is to google for "change boot order [laptop brand and model]". Generally speaking the boot order can be changed in the BIOS settings, getting there is again a brand specific thing. Del, F1, F2, F10... Some computers have an option to make one time boot choices by pressing a brand specific button like Esc. Often the choices are given on the first or second screen after boot. You know you can use the 'pause' button to stop the boot procedure, don't you? Enter will make it continue.

If you need further help, some details of your laptop would help.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 14, 2013, 01:54:17 PM
Do you need advice on booting from cd? The best source would be the manual of your laptop. The second best is to google for "change boot order [laptop brand and model]". Generally speaking the boot order can be changed in the BIOS settings, getting there is again a brand specific thing. Del, F1, F2, F10... Some computers have an option to make one time boot choices by pressing a brand specific button like Esc. Often the choices are given on the first or second screen after boot. You know you can use the 'pause' button to stop the boot procedure, don't you? Enter will make it continue.

If you need further help, some details of your laptop would help.


I googled, as you said, and hitting the F12 during boot brings up the boot order menu.  I gave it a test run and it seems pretty straight forward.  BTW, the lap top is a Dell Inspiron E1705.  Thanks for the heads-up.  I'm sure the boot order would have caused me problems.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 16, 2013, 04:14:58 PM
In the process of replacing the Hard Drive.  Now downloading 106 updates.  So far it's gone as smooth as silk.  Thanks for all the help.   :salute
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Bizman on January 17, 2013, 03:52:53 AM
Glad to hear! Don't forget to uninstall all the crap that comes preinstalled. You certainly won't need anything with a "demo" label, and many if not all of the "Dell" software have an equivalent already built in Windows.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 17, 2013, 08:48:35 PM
Glad to hear! Don't forget to uninstall all the crap that comes preinstalled. You certainly won't need anything with a "demo" label, and many if not all of the "Dell" software have an equivalent already built in Windows.

 I got 2 disks with the lap top.  One was just a windows install disk and the second was a factory restore disk.  I used the windows install disk so none of the Dell add-ons (McAffee, Roxio, Media Direct, etc.) were installed.  Just tried Aces High and it's never run so good.  All the mini hesitations I use to have are gone.  I wish I had done this a long time ago, like when I first got the computer.   :joystick:
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Bizman on January 18, 2013, 10:35:25 AM
Sounds like you also were able to find all of the drivers as well, or did they come preinstalled on the OS disk?
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Skuzzy on January 18, 2013, 10:42:21 AM
Getting rid of all the bloatware installed by OEM's (HP, Dell...) is one of thebest things you can do for your computer.

Norton, McAfee, Roxio, iTunes, Intuit products, (and many more) are all viruses looking for something to mess up.  They will cause all manner of anomalies in any Windows computer.  Horrible software, just horrible.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 18, 2013, 11:00:00 AM
Sounds like you also were able to find all of the drivers as well, or did they come preinstalled on the OS disk?

Windows went online did a good job of finding the important ones and it wasn't hard to find the others.  The hardest was the sound card driver and that was only because I was looking in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Bizman on January 18, 2013, 11:08:52 AM
I'm not sure about Win7, but as a rule the Windows built in generic drivers are far from the best. I'd take a look on Dell's support site if they have new enough drivers. If they look too old, the next step would be the manufacturer for each device. Driver up-/download sites are full of crap, same goes for driver updating programs.
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 18, 2013, 11:09:30 AM
Getting rid of all the bloatware installed by OEM's (HP, Dell...) is one of thebest things you can do for your computer.

Norton, McAfee, Roxio, iTunes, Intuit products, (and many more) are all viruses looking for something to mess up.  They will cause all manner of anomalies in any Windows computer.  Horrible software, just horrible.

 You've said that so many times and I did believe you  but I never thought being completely rid of them, by never having them installed in the first place, would have such an effect.  In the game I've been able to turn on more graphics and it still runs better.  Considering I use a lap top with a Intel Core Duo T2350 @ 1.86GHz CPU and a ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 with 128mb ram I couldn't be happier.  Also, before the reinstall I posted a message that bringing up the clipboard caused a -30 to -35 frame rate hit.  Not any more.  Frame rate stays at a steady 55+, clipboard open or not.

 Once again, thanks to everyone who helped me through this.  If not for the 300+ Windows updates this would have been fun.   :)
Title: Re: Replacing a hard drive
Post by: Wayout on January 18, 2013, 11:13:29 AM
I'm not sure about Win7, but as a rule the Windows built in generic drivers are far from the best. I'd take a look on Dell's support site if they have new enough drivers. If they look too old, the next step would be the manufacturer for each device. Driver up-/download sites are full of crap, same goes for driver updating programs.

 For the most part Windows did grab the manufactures latest drivers and the Dell Support website had what was needed to replace the others.