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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TwinBoom on January 15, 2013, 05:45:34 PM
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Or do you think they will try and ban guns
please no political I just want to know is it possible? And if so what measures can be taken if they try?
From a legal standpoint of coarse
Further more why don't they ban Liquor I mean more people are killed from drunk drivers than guns, just saying
I already signed the protect the 2nd amendment petition :salute
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they will...and there is nothing anybody can do about it.
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Surely if they make automatic weapons illegal our streets will be much safer, right? I mean...just like they made drugs illegal, now our streets are drug free!
oh wait :O :rolleyes:
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Its coming..
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they will...and there is nothing anybody can do about it.
Actually, there's many legal actions that can be taken. Now, if the states want to do it beyond a Federal level, then the recourse is far more complicated.
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I signed this petition for the 2nd amendment
Petition (http://nagr.org/obama_gun_control1.aspx?pid=031d&gclid=COLxvqmS6bQCFQ45nAod0hwAMw)
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they won't ban guns, that would be completely illogical and also probably impossible
you might get some slightly tighter gun laws...just to appease the masses calling for action....ideal solution,ty can say they did something about it without really changing the fundamental issue
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Im curious what Congress will do considering it is rumored that Obama is going to make an executive order. I dont know if he is going follow through with it or of its even with his power to do such a thing but in my opinion I dont see a ban on guns. I see a serious reform in terms of how hard it will be to get a gun license in terms of some serious background and psychiatric checks but I also do see a limit on the type of guns as well such as clip size.
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they won't ban guns, that would be completely illogical and also probably impossible
you might get some slightly tighter gun laws...just to appease the masses calling for action....ideal solution,ty can say they did something about it without really changing the fundamental issue
The masses aren't calling for action.
It's just a few noisy individuals.
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Or do you think they will try and ban guns
please no political I just want to know is it possible? And if so what measures can be taken if they try?
From a legal standpoint of coarse
Further more why don't they ban Liquor I mean more people are killed from drunk drivers than guns, just saying
I already signed the protect the 2nd amendment petition :salute
Legally there really isn't anything they can do. Our forefathers already took care of that.
So of course they'll try an "alternative" hoping that nobody (meaning our elected and appointed officials) will dare stand up for our rights.
Legally, they'd have to get laws written through congress. That's how our government works.
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Or do you think they will try and ban guns
please no political I just want to know is it possible? And if so what measures can be taken if they try?
From a legal standpoint of coarse
Further more why don't they ban Liquor I mean more people are killed from drunk drivers than guns, just saying
I already signed the protect the 2nd amendment petition :salute
I suspect nothing or if anything "extreme", the feds will copy "well regulated" states and their legislation that they've had in effect for already a decade if not longer....
Definetley 99.9% media hoopla/hype, this is clearly the end (https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=54664&inline=1) of the world for firearms lovers and hunters nationwide when all "those !@#$ liberal's and their gun laws" spread around to most the other state's. :rolleyes: :noid
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I suspect nothing or if anything "extreme", the feds will copy "well regulated" states and their legislation that they've had in effect for already a decade if not longer....
Definetley 99.9% media hoopla/hype, this is clearly the end (https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=54664&inline=1) of the world for firearms lovers and hunters nationwide when all "those !@#$ liberal's and their gun laws" spread around to most the other state's. :rolleyes: :noid
It isn't even "the feds" that are planning anything... It's just a couple of officials.
I don't think there are enough of them involved to consider them "the feds".
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It isn't even "the feds" that are planning anything... It's just a couple of officials.
I don't think there are enough of them involved to consider them "the feds".
*hippiest tone* "Hey man", I'm just passing along what the news is spreading as fact.
If it is just a couple blow-hards with no real federal or legislative influence, why are gun sales blowing-up and this topic frequently spotlighted during primetime?... :devil
I signed this petition for the 2nd amendment
Petition (http://nagr.org/obama_gun_control1.aspx?pid=031d&gclid=COLxvqmS6bQCFQ45nAod0hwAMw)
Is it me, or it that petition/link a dejavu (a near copy with only a few apropriate titles/sentences/links edited) of that one for Texas and other states after the recent elections who wanted to succeed from the union? :headscratch: :rolleyes: :rofl
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they will...and there is nothing anybody can do about it.
I believe this to be true. But I don't think it'll be as straight forward as just banning them. Guns will probably go the way cigarettes went. Raise the price on them to the extent that one one can afford them. The same with ammo, gun powder and reloading supplies.
Yeah it'll happen but it'll be in little steps as to keep public outrage down. I think the government knows if they outright banned all firearms tomorrow, they would have protests in the streets before noon.
Petition signed....Thanks TwinBoom :salute
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Legally there really isn't anything they can do. Our forefathers already took care of that.
So of course they'll try an "alternative" hoping that nobody (meaning our elected and appointed officials) will dare stand up for our rights.
Legally, they'd have to get laws written through congress. That's how our government works.
Well cant amendments be repealed? Prohibition was repealed. Just thinking. How much restriction is in the Bill Of Rights from being amended/repealed by future generations?
Again, what happens with this proposed executive order by Obama? Can Congress block it?
Slight off topic, but how much profit do gun manufacturers make from selling guns/ammo? If it was all banned tomorrow, would they companies completely go under? Are military contracts large enough to keep them afloat? Actually a serious question, wondering how it would affect the economy.
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http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=119078&article=10700507
lol texas
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they won't ban guns, that would be completely illogical and also probably impossible
you might get some slightly tighter gun laws...just to appease the masses calling for action....ideal solution,ty can say they did something about it without really changing the fundamental issue
This.
Well cant amendments be repealed? Prohibition was repealed. Just thinking. How much restriction is in the Bill Of Rights from being amended/repealed by future generations?
Again, what happens with this proposed executive order by Obama? Can Congress block it?
You would have to pass an Amendment. That isn't the easiest thing to do.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/
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They will just enact an ammo "fee", that isn't a tax because they won't call it a tax. The fee will rise yearly until eventually the only ones left with ammo will be outlaws, crazies and cops. At least that would be their wish - those who cannot be named.
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They will just enact an ammo "fee", that isn't a tax because they won't call it a tax. The fee will rise yearly until eventually the only ones left with ammo will be outlaws, crazies and cops. At least that would be their wish - those who cannot be named.
Which will do nothing to curb criminal use of guns... but anyway...
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I believe this to be true. But I don't think it'll be as straight forward as just banning them. Guns will probably go the way cigarettes went. Raise the price on them to the extent that one one can afford them. The same with ammo, gun powder and reloading supplies.
Yeah it'll happen but it'll be in little steps as to keep public outrage down. I think the government knows if they outright banned all firearms tomorrow, they would have protests in the streets before noon.
Petition signed....Thanks TwinBoom :salute
I don't think it will be over night ether but it is gonna happen....
I cant really get into it....
I want too be but every time I try it turns political... :(
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they won't ban guns, that would be completely illogical and also probably impossible
you might get some slightly tighter gun laws...just to appease the masses calling for action....ideal solution,ty can say they did something about it without really changing the fundamental issue
Yes, that's what they did in New York... Worthless tightening of laws. However, the lawyers are having a field day picking apart the law just signed. It was presented to the State Senate just 20 minutes before a vote. Being 73 pages long, no one was able to read and digest it before the vote. The law violates no less than three Amendments of the Constitution, two Federal laws and two State laws. They say that they will amend it. However, the law is so badly written and violates so much, that most believe it will be thrown by the courts before they could fix it.
The law has some good provisions inserted into it. Increased penalties for crimes with firearms. Increased penalties for gun running and selling guns to felons. A mental health database, with required reporting of patients deemed dangerous to themselves and others. Money to harden schools against intruders... All good. However, it added increased penalties for bringing a gun onto school grounds and reaffirmed that schools are a gun-free zone. Of course, nut jobs know that no one is able to resist at schools, and a gun free zone is actually a free fire zone for psychopaths. I guess you can't fix stupid, especially stupid in government. No guards, just better locks and video cameras. If they want to protect the schools, they must keep the crazies on the outside, or have the ability to take them out. Naturally, if the schools are hardened, the screwballs will find another soft target, and there are many.
There will be no banning of any firearms at the Federal level, simply because there's little support for it and recent Supreme Court rulings have pretty much said that any ban of any small arm is unconstitutional.
Lot's of symbolic speeches and posturing for the respective bases, but no changes beyond enforcing the laws already in place, but not really enforced.
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Lot's of symbolic speeches and posturing for the respective bases, but no changes beyond enforcing the laws already in place, but not really enforced.
Yep, and you would think that this is pretty much the ideal outcome...no real changes, just something to placate the vocal anti-gun folks...
But sadly many of the pro-gun people are not the sharpest tools in the box, and so they are flapping and panic buying and prophesying all kinds of idiotic things.
It's kind of funny to watch from an outside perspective.
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http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=119078&article=10700507
lol texas
Texas is just one of several states with similar bills being considered. Wyoming, Arizona and South Dakota have similar bills being drafted or considered.
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what state...?Wyoming? that said we will arrest federal agents who try and take guns away...something to that affect..?
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Widewing you're in NY aren't you? What have you heard regarding how joe citizen is supposed to comply with the new magazine law that is part of this new NY state law? As I read it it seemed as though anything with a magazine over 7 rounds is now a prohibited device, including magazines over 7 rounds themselves. So, SKS, Garand, many, MANY rifles with internal magazines over 7 rounds are no illegal? Also, nearly every .22 rifle on god's green earth comes with a ten round magazine, instantly making all of them illegal now I think, if I understand the law correctly.
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Are gun-free zones constitutional?
Caldera is your avatar a Twin Mustang? Nice paint finish I must say.
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Widewing you're in NY aren't you? What have you heard regarding how joe citizen is supposed to comply with the new magazine law that is part of this new NY state law? As I read it it seemed as though anything with a magazine over 7 rounds is now a prohibited device, including magazines over 7 rounds themselves. So, SKS, Garand, many, MANY rifles with internal magazines over 7 rounds are no illegal? Also, nearly every .22 rifle on god's green earth comes with a ten round magazine, instantly making all of them illegal now I think, if I understand the law correctly.
The new law, which won't stand as written, bans the sale of "assault weapons". There already was a ban on detachable magazines over 10 rounds. Pre-ban magazines were grandfathered in with the 1994 law. Now, those are banned as well. You can keep your AWs, but they must be registered within one year. You can keep your 10 round mags, but you can't actually load more than 7 rounds (I sometimes lose count....LOLOL) The definition of an "assault weapon" has been expanded to any semi-auto with any one evil looking feature. Pistol grip, flash hider and the like. You cannot sell your AW in NY. You can't sell your HiCap magazines in NY (both of these violate Federal statues). All sales, commercial and private must be made at a licensed dealer who will run a background check for a $10 fee on private sales. The purchase of large amounts of ammo requires a background check, although they don't define what large is, and whether it applies to rimfire ammo, which is often sold in boxes of 500. Any gun with a detachable magazine is limited to 7 rounds in the magazine. If yours holds 8, you can load 8, chamber one and still be within the rule (a 1911 .45 fits this, because you can carry it with one in the pipe, cocked and locked).
Lever action and pump action rifles with tube magazines are exempted. As are semi-auto .22s with tubular magazine. Shotguns are exempt if the magazine is limited to 5 rounds or less and it doesn't have an AW features. Bolt Action rifles are exempt. Curios & Relics are exempt (Most SKS types and all Garands being in that category, but you can't load more than 7, as if anyone would pay any attention at a range). Muzzle loaders are exempt. Revolvers are exempt.
The ban on AW sales started today. All other provisions become effective January 15, 2014. By then, the courts will have pitched this law out... It's a mess. They forgot to exempt police weapons and will have to amend the law before next year. They ignored DC v Heller and McDonald v Chicago, which means that Federal courts will slap them down, as they did in those two cities.
If the law isn't thrown out by the end of the year (it could take that long), my HiCap mags will be stored at my brother's summer home in the Poconos. My AW will be registered, and I have both 5 and 7 round mags if I want to shoot it. The rest of my firearms are exempt, so the impact to me is minor, just a small headache...
The NY legislature is a clusterhump... So much so that they're taking bids for condom dispensers in the House and Senate chambers.
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They will absolutely try, because this is the one thing that allows an individual to upset an attempt to remove his liberties.
Here's where it gets interesting though: Several states have legalized marijuana. These are state laws that directly conflict with federal policy. Is this a precedent that can be extended, where a federal ban on firearms can be contradicted by state bans legalizing them?
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How many times does it have to be said?
YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT GUN CONTROL ON THIS BOARD!!!!! IT IS A POLITICAL TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!!
Do we just have to start banning people from the forum? Is that what we have to do to get the point across?
So be it.