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Title: Surviving a fire?
Post by: titanic3 on January 22, 2013, 10:12:06 PM
Is it even possible to survive a fuel fire? Seems like a wing comes off or you explode every time. I'd be curious to see how it would affect gameplay if fuel fires had a third possibility of major damage but not total damage.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Lusche on January 22, 2013, 10:13:35 PM
Is it even possible to survive a fuel fire?


Only if you are still on the runway and can type .ef quick enough.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: titanic3 on January 22, 2013, 10:27:41 PM
Hmm....which begs the question, was it like so in RL or is this a gameplay balance decision?
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: kvuo75 on January 22, 2013, 10:29:40 PM
Hmm....which begs the question, was it like so in RL or is this a gameplay balance decision?

throw a beer can into a campfire


look for the beer can the next morning :)
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Wolfala on January 22, 2013, 10:42:43 PM
Is it even possible to survive a fuel fire? Seems like a wing comes off or you explode every time. I'd be curious to see how it would affect gameplay if fuel fires had a third possibility of major damage but not total damage.

Are we speaking as a hypothetical or in real life?
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: titanic3 on January 22, 2013, 10:54:53 PM
Are we speaking as a hypothetical or in real life?

In game.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Shane on January 23, 2013, 08:58:50 AM
Stop. Drop. Roll.

If that doesn't work, pee on it, but only if you've been drinking. It won't put out the fire, but it will end your misery faster and give us all a good laugh as we watch you running around in flames.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: titanic3 on January 23, 2013, 09:35:01 AM
Stop. Drop. Roll.

If that doesn't work, pee on it, but only if you've been drinking. It won't put out the fire, but it will end your misery faster and give us all a good laugh as we watch you running around in flames.

I don't know how that works, can you please demonstrate?  :D
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: bozon on January 23, 2013, 09:40:31 AM
It is a game decision.

In real life multi engine planes were often able to extinguish the fire and RTB with one engine less. Even mosquitoes survived engine fires many times, so there was no wood-burns-faster-than-metal problem.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Slate on January 23, 2013, 09:58:40 AM

   Yes you can surive, BAIL!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k249/Enrique127/25.jpg)
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Flench on January 23, 2013, 10:00:22 AM
throw a beer can into a campfire


look for the beer can the next morning :)

Don't never do that . I did along time ago and it exploded and hit me in the back . Had a perfect ring on my skin where it hit for 3 week's . Lucky it did not hit me in the face or anything .lol .
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Spork on January 23, 2013, 01:03:56 PM
Don't never do that . I did along time ago and it exploded and hit me in the back . Had a perfect ring on my skin where it hit for 3 week's . Lucky it did not hit me in the face or anything .lol .

That doesn't sound pleasant at all. Why would you suggest someone to do that?
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: kvuo75 on January 23, 2013, 01:13:27 PM
Don't never do that . I did along time ago and it exploded and hit me in the back . Had a perfect ring on my skin where it hit for 3 week's . Lucky it did not hit me in the face or anything .lol .

LOL it should be empty..

my point was about aluminum's heat resistance. (lack thereof)

Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Flench on January 23, 2013, 04:15:15 PM
That doesn't sound pleasant at all. Why would you suggest someone to do that?
One word : DRUNK , lol . I did not put the can in the fire . Did not know that someone put a full beer in the fire untill after the fact , lol .
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: titanic3 on January 23, 2013, 04:15:48 PM
One word : DRUNK , lol . I did not put the can in the fire . Did not know that someone put a full beer in the fire untill after the fact , lol .

'MURICA!  :devil  :x
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Nathan60 on January 24, 2013, 01:19:59 PM
'MURICA!  :devil  :x
What do you mean by that I find that racist. Wasnt it you that got on to me for ussing a sterotypical Asian accent?
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: titanic3 on January 24, 2013, 01:24:37 PM
Except that's not degoratory in any way.  :lol Been waiting for a chance to strike back at me? Keep waiting.

Not to mention I live in America myself...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Nathan60 on January 24, 2013, 01:48:40 PM
Except that's not degoratory in any way.  :lol Been waiting for a chance to strike back at me? Keep waiting.

Not to mention I live in America myself...  :rolleyes:
NO its clearly a sterotypical accent much like the one you took umbrage with Alvin. If you luive in Murica why would you get upset I used a sterotypical Chinese accent,. especilly with you South China sea argument.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: titanic3 on January 24, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/murica

Oh noooooeessss a whole web page of Americans making fun of...Murica.  :rolleyes:

(http://i.qkme.me/367bn5.jpg)
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Nathan60 on January 24, 2013, 02:23:44 PM
Maybe you should read what your post there is a common theme to who the use of Murrica is generally attributed.If I cant say Egore Farcon or bird of pray you cant say murrica.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: titanic3 on January 24, 2013, 02:45:25 PM
(http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Murica+_54fa9f309c089310a9917d48875ee503.jpg)

The offensiveness, it burns!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Nathan60 on January 24, 2013, 02:58:40 PM
(http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Murica+_54fa9f309c089310a9917d48875ee503.jpg)
The offensiveness, it burns!!!!!!!!!!!!
Murrica'
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: titanic3 on January 24, 2013, 03:25:40 PM
Now you're getting it.  :lol Welcome to team Murica.  :neener:
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Nathan60 on January 24, 2013, 04:43:16 PM
Now you're getting it.  :lol Welcome to team Murica.  :neener:
I dont think your Chinese overlods would like you being on team Murica. I think they want you on team South China sea.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: titanic3 on January 24, 2013, 05:11:04 PM
Shhh...I'm a spy.  :cool:
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: skorpx1 on January 24, 2013, 05:19:23 PM
I don't think you'd be able to survive a plane fire.

Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Nathan60 on January 24, 2013, 05:23:27 PM
I don't think you'd be able to survive a plane fire.

Just my thoughts.
Hey I got a new wallpaper out of this  I dont curr if Alvin's hypocritical.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Devil 505 on January 24, 2013, 07:34:26 PM
(http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Murica+_54fa9f309c089310a9917d48875ee503.jpg)

The offensiveness, it burns!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny, an over the top Americian patriotism pictire features a Soviet RPG-7.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Nathan60 on January 24, 2013, 07:37:54 PM
Funny, an over the top Americian patriotism pictire features a Soviet RPG-7.
Also I think the velaciraptor is from Canada.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Devil 505 on January 24, 2013, 07:43:37 PM
Also I think the velaciraptor is from Canada.
Based on its size I'd say it's a Utahraptor.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: ink on January 24, 2013, 07:52:20 PM
Based on its size I'd say it's a Utahraptor.

 I am guessing you know the facts.....

the real velociraptor was the size of a turkey :aok
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Hazard69 on January 25, 2013, 08:02:39 AM
(http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Murica+_54fa9f309c089310a9917d48875ee503.jpg)

The offensiveness, it burns!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :rofl :rofl :rofl

Thats some real disturbing sh*t!  :P
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: DubiousKB on April 26, 2013, 05:58:21 PM
.... Murica.... Now that i've got down and dirty with the rest on this string....

Is it actually possible to extinguish an engine fire in game? I've noticed that the "fire" can occur on main body or wings (at least it appears that way)... But the question still remains, if I kill that engine will the fire go out, or am I wasting precious bail-out time trying to save the bird?  :joystick:
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Lusche on April 26, 2013, 06:01:31 PM
Is it actually possible to extinguish an engine fire in game?


No.

Fires in AH are strictly fuel tank fires and can't be put out. Fire = Death.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Rino on April 26, 2013, 08:02:36 PM
It is a game decision.

In real life multi engine planes were often able to extinguish the fire and RTB with one engine less. Even mosquitoes survived engine fires many times, so there was no wood-burns-faster-than-metal problem.

     Engine fires maybe, but I don't think any WW2 aircraft had fire suppression systems in the fuel tanks.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: icepac on April 26, 2013, 09:23:44 PM
Some skyraider pilots flew in camo instead of flight suits because it was said you only lived a few seconds longer in the case of a fuel fire of the engine but I would hate to be the guy who didn't wear one and got badly hurt by a super minor fire.....which was rare.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: sonic23 on April 29, 2013, 09:36:25 AM
A long time ago when your engine was on fire it felt like it would take 2 minutes sometimes before your wing fell off, the zekes seemed to last longer than most planes. I noticed since i rejoined the game a couple years ago that planes dont burn nearly as long, only a few seconds usually. This was probable due to a player disagreement about Kill stealing and when the planes are fair game, I also noticed after a plane is majorly damaged and going down your bullets can still damage it more but wont even register an assist, which was once again probably due to people trying to still kills which I can reluctantly say i have done before LOL :devil
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: JimmyD3 on April 29, 2013, 12:38:47 PM

Only if you are still on the runway and can type .ef quick enough.

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on April 29, 2013, 09:03:31 PM
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Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on April 29, 2013, 09:07:20 PM
What do you mean by that I find that racist. Wasnt it you that got on to me for ussing a sterotypical Asian accent?


'Merica is not a race, it is a country. Filled with RACES of people from through out the WORLD.


I therefor demote your being offended and replace it with ignorance AND arrogance. That's a plus two (+2) for you. Its one more then you deserve, for that....you are welcome.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: bozon on April 30, 2013, 03:45:35 AM
     Engine fires maybe, but I don't think any WW2 aircraft had fire suppression systems in the fuel tanks.
I am no expert, but I suspect most fires that still had a flyable plane at the time of their ignition were related to the engine. Severed fuel lines spraying a hot engine and electrical component is a great mixture. Many bombers and mosquito pilots tell of engine fires that were put out and the planes limped home with a feathered engine. Fires due to damage to fuel tanks were probably combined with a significant structural damage (before the fire) so putting out the fire still does not leave one with a flyable plane.

and yes I am aware that AH fires are all fuel tank related, despite the fact that it looks like they come from the engine.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: save on April 30, 2013, 09:18:08 AM
looking at guncam's , wet wings often catched fire.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: bozon on May 01, 2013, 05:32:33 AM
looking at guncam's , wet wings often catched fire.
Especially Japanese ones. But those cases include losing a few important pieces of the wing, so even if the fire could be extinguished, the plane is already doomed. Lets put it this way: I dont recall a single pilot story saying that he had a non-engine related fire that he was able to put out and fly home, but I remember many cases of pilots putting out engine fires and flying home. So, from this very non scientific evaluation I can conclude that either fuel tanks did not catch fire, or that they did and the pilot did not get to tell us about it - either way, the "fuel tank fire" -> "put out" -> "fly home" scenario was rare.
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: Zacherof on May 02, 2013, 10:43:57 AM
Hit storch wing tanks before and always the fires on the engine :headscratch:
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: DubiousKB on May 02, 2013, 11:28:25 AM
     Engine fires maybe, but I don't think any WW2 aircraft had fire suppression systems in the fuel tanks.

Noob Statement to follow..... Wouldn't starving the fire of oxygen through a steep nose dive or cutting the engine (and/or flow of fuel), BE a fire suppression technique? I get that we don't have an "Engine 2 fire extinguisher button"...

 I dunno, not really bothered either way... I just thought it would be exciting to land a sortie that included an engine fire...ACHIEVEMENT!...   I hate feeling helpless and telling my crew to bail, especially when I have ords and gunner ammo left....   :uhoh

-KB
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: colmbo on May 02, 2013, 11:53:10 AM
Noob Statement to follow..... Wouldn't starving the fire of oxygen through a steep nose dive or cutting the engine (and/or flow of fuel), BE a fire suppression technique? I get that we don't have an "Engine 2 fire extinguisher button"...

Your dive might just intensify the fire causing structural damage before  reaching a point where you "blow" the fire out.

With gunfire damage many times the fire is oil leaking from a cracked engine case or gunfire damage to fuel or oil lines.  On a B-17 or B-24 each engine has a 32 gallon oil tank mounted next to it...32 gallons of burning oil will do a lot of damage and there is no way to shut the flow off.  Oil burns very hot.

Inflight fires scare the poop out of me, and I'm almost fearless.  :devil
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: DubiousKB on May 02, 2013, 12:36:28 PM
Just a simple bomber pilot concerned for his crew, hoping there's a chance tail gunner Jimmy will get back to his honey stateside.....

... Just lie to me HiTech and tell me that it's POSSIBLE!  :joystick:
Title: Re: Surviving a fire?
Post by: BoilerDown on May 05, 2013, 08:46:05 PM
I hope I didn't get to this thread too late to do this...

Also I think the velaciraptor is from Canada.
Based on its size I'd say it's a Utahraptor.

No, its a Toronto raptor!

(http://www.sporttonetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2007_04_27RaptorDunk.jpeg)