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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: homersipes on January 26, 2013, 03:10:47 PM
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what is wrong with people?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-talk-subway-footlong-lawsuits-0125-20130124,0,1033607.story?fb_comment_id=fbc_459566414112531_6269045_460488014020371#f324f9a147cf9de
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It is a 'get rich quick' scheme... it is far easier to sue than to earn any money today.
I can see a lot of companies adding what McDonald's has their products, particularly their hamburgers; 'weight (length) as advertised prior to the cooking process' (or something like that).
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Guys around the world are sitting in mortal fear of the result of this lawsuit........
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the courts can take a big slice of the blame.
they should decline the class action, make everyone file an individual suit for each individual breach and then award them 1/12 the price of the sandwich as damages, with no costs.
even better (provided it doesnt explicitly say 12" anywhere) argue that the length of the sandwich refers to the average foot length in that locale. as long as the sasquatch and his family dont file a suit they should be fine :D
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It is a 'get rich quick' scheme... it is far easier to sue than to earn any money today.
I can see a lot of companies adding what McDonald's has their products, particularly their hamburgers; 'weight (length) as advertised prior to the cooking process' (or something like that).
Del,
I earned my money the old fashion way..... I sued for it! :devil
:salute
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what is wrong with you guys trying to defend a company that is cheating customers out of something. subway can make millions of dollars by just basically cutting off an inch of a sandwich even at a couple of pennies saved per sandwich based on volume it is a lot of money.
what is wrong with subway just calling it a "footlong sandwich that is no longer a footlong?" I remember the old commercials where subway would say that their footlong was 12 inches as very few other franchises had a foot long sandwich.
companies will do just about anything to make a few pennies more including cheating and they only way that more companies dont do it is because of class action lawsuits. had it been a franchise or two then subway would have stepped in and taken action but when you have all the franchises doing it then you know the parent companies is involved.
I am waiting for somebody to file a class action lawsuit against against amazon due to their "free super saver shipping" as they will try to charge shipping on some items that have "free" shipping. it is only a few pennies for me but when you consider volume it is a lot of money to the company.
cup of coffee too hot, ford trucks have weak roofs, bestbuy overcharging customers a penny on some transactions and the list go on and on.
midway
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:rofl :noid :rofl
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I think of it like this. If I were buying a gallon of gas,
I would expect a full gallon. Not an advertised one.
:cheers: Oz
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My 2 x 4 from Lowes was found to be only 1.5" x 3"....................were will it end :uhoh
HL
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My 2 x 4 from Lowes was found to be only 1.5" x 3"....................were will it end :uhoh
HL
it is pretty much standard in the construction industry that 2x4x8 are that size it is even mentioned on the sticker when you buy it.
midway
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it is pretty much standard in the construction industry that 2x4x8 are that size it is even mentioned on the sticker when you buy it.
midway
Well now its standard that sandwiches are shorter than 12".
To be perfectly honest, its likely the wrapping process (they can be pretty tight) that makes them less than a foot.
And frankly anyone fat, lazy, or literal enough to sue over this deserves nothing better than to be CHARGED the cost of the missing materials (if any).
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Well now its standard that sandwiches are shorter than 12".
To be perfectly honest, its likely the wrapping process (they can be pretty tight) that makes them less than a foot.
And frankly anyone fat, lazy, or literal enough to sue over this deserves nothing better than to be CHARGED the cost of the missing materials (if any).
Then they should not use the word "foot." That is misleading, try big sammich. I do not go to the gas station and buy 10 jugs of fuel. Or subway could make there footlongs 15 inches, after all its just money, call it the cost of doing businesses.
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Well now its standard that sandwiches are shorter than 12".
To be perfectly honest, its likely the wrapping process (they can be pretty tight) that makes them less than a foot.
And frankly anyone fat, lazy, or literal enough to sue over this deserves nothing better than to be CHARGED the cost of the missing materials (if any).
no the lumber industry clearly labels those 2x4x8 as being 1.75x3.75x95 or whatever length it is. I have never seen a subway store sign saying that their foot long sandwiches are anything but a foot long.
as for the fat and lazy comment well nothing I can do about it as you follow the standard procedure. when you cannot come up with a real statement then you resort to an insult.
midway
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That's ok, the solid ingot of platimum-iridium alloy that defines the kilogram is slowly evaporating too. So even the kilogram is losing weight. We just need to re-define the standard "inch" so that 12 of them are the length of a subway footlong sandwich. Blame it on quantum effects, just like the kilogram.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram
Then again, some of the other kilogram reference masses have GAINED mass. So who knows how much a real kilogram really is.
Maybe we need a wikipedia entry for how the footlong measurement, defined by the international reference subway sandwich, is slowly changing size. That makes it ok.
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Point is that people are suing over 'missing' sandwich length that very well might not be missing, likely totals less than $0.03 (its all bread at the edges) if it even is missing.
The bad part is that it almost certainly made them happy to notice, for the chance at a lawsuit.
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Point is that people are suing over 'missing' sandwich length that very well might not be missing, likely totals less than $0.03 (its all bread at the edges) if it even is missing.
The bad part is that it almost certainly made them happy to notice, for the chance at a lawsuit.
yes but you miss the point .3 cents times millions of sandwiches a year comes up to millions of dollars to the company. pennies do add up.
midway
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2 x 4 = 1.5 X 3.5 inches. apparently your tape measure was used to measure a sandwich.
I could write a book on nominal vs actual in wood dimensions. But most people heads would shrink in size after that.
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2 x 4 = 1.5 X 3.5 inches. apparently your tape measure was used to measure a sandwich.
I could write a book on nominal vs actual in wood dimensions. But most people heads would shrink in size after that.
doing it from memory havent done construction in years.
midway
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Big point is that it might not even be missing.
I can stretch one to be 14+ inches, or squish it to be probably less than 6". For all we KNOW, the squished their sandwich so they could sue.
Forget your suspicion and mistrust of any company with a profit margin, and you're defending people suing over NOTHING MORE THAN squashed bread.
If we allow this type of crap (and it is complete and total crap), soon subway will have to specify the meat to vegge ratio, or people will sue on the grounds that its a vege sandwich with ham as a topping, or whatever you call it.
And that is entirely unreasonable.
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So if you got an 11 pack of beer that would be alright? The word foot when used as a unit of measurement has a specific length, and it ain't 11".
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The difference is you can't make one of the cans disappear during packaging and handling. Fact is that those people don't care that their sandwich is 11 1/2" inches, except insofar as its potential use as a vehicle for lawsuit.
If they cared beyond any monetary gains they stand to make, I would support them as far as I can empathize with someone getting pissed over a slightly deformed sandwich. But all they care about is the money and the attention, which puts them in a position of moral inferiority, even if subway was intentionally shortening their sandwiches (I am convinced this is not nessicarally the case).
Beyond that, isn't the point of the foot long just to be a large sandwich? The dough-ball almost certainly was weighed or otherwise measured (they aren't stupid human error can work both ways, potentially costing them money), which means what's 'missing' in length is present either in width, height, or slightly denser areas of the loaf (likely the easily squished and compressed ends of the sandwich)
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Here, let me try to verbalize why this crap offends me: they wouldn't freak out if it was a local shop. Theyre doing it either to spite the evil greedy sandwich company (whos greed is well earned and actually benefits them significantly), or because they're lazy/stupid/white-trash/peasantry and want to have subway give them money they don't deserve to look at, yet alone touch.
Not only does this crap harm the economy by harming subway, but it also devalues the legal system, and sets an extremely bad precedent.
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The difference is you can't make one of the cans disappear during packaging and handling. Fact is that those people don't care that their sandwich is 11 1/2" inches, except insofar as its potential use as a vehicle for lawsuit.
If they cared beyond any monetary gains they stand to make, I would support them as far as I can empathize with someone getting pissed over a slightly deformed sandwich. But all they care about is the money and the attention, which puts them in a position of moral inferiority, even if subway was intentionally shortening their sandwiches (I am convinced this is not nessicarally the case).
Beyond that, isn't the point of the foot long just to be a large sandwich? The dough-ball almost certainly was weighed or otherwise measured (they aren't stupid human error can work both ways, potentially costing them money), which means what's 'missing' in length is present either in width, height, or slightly denser areas of the loaf (likely the easily squished and compressed ends of the sandwich)
you missing the point that it's not that they make the sandwiches at 11 inches, but the fact that they promote them as a foot long or 12 inches.
I'll give you an example from last year. I went to my local grocery store and they had the amaretto disarono at about 12 buck which is 5 bucks lower than normal. so I bought it. the sale ended about 4 days later, but I kept going back to the store and on the shelf they had the same sale price for 2 weeks at 12 bucks. when I went to the register they would ring it up at 17 dollars plust change and I would point it out that the shelf said 12 dollars and they would check and adjust the price. I bought about 5 or 6 bottles untill the manager noticed it and asked one of the clerks to fix the price on the shelf.
I just wonder how many people bought that bottle in those 2 weeks because it was at 12 dollars but didnt notice that they were charged 17. you think they would have removed the sign the first time I told them that the price on the shelf was different.
those few bucks add up pretty soon and the only thing that stops companies is lawsuits.
midway
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Here, let me try to verbalize why this crap offends me: they wouldn't freak out if it was a local shop. Theyre doing it either to spite the evil greedy sandwich company (whos greed is well earned and actually benefits them significantly), or because they're lazy/stupid/white-trash/peasantry and want to have subway give them money they don't deserve to look at, yet alone touch.
Not only does this crap harm the economy by harming subway, but it also devalues the legal system, and sets an extremely bad precedent.
this is dumb consumers who file class action lawsuits don't win millions of dollars. perhaps you should look that up. you want to buy my 10 dollars certificate from back when milli-vanilli was lip singing? I think they have gonna up in value by now.
midway
midway
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The reason a 2x4 is the dimensions that it is, 2x4 is the rough sawn dimensions. Modern lumber is planned smaller and it does not loose any strength because it is planned. at least that was what I was taught in construction class in high school. I am no Norm Abrams but I used to be a journeyman carpenter. I have worked with rough sawn lumber and it not a very consistent, key word to remember is ROUGH. That is why you need to do layouts from the center of the boards not the edges like on planned lumber. I hope this clarify the wood issue and we get back to samiches.
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I like how its being made out that Subway is only making 11" subs deliberately, while completely ignoring how easily squished bread is. Did they even try to talk to anyone in the store over them being so short changed by a slightly shorter sub or did they go directly to the lawsuit direction?
I wonder if this succeeds will it get to the point that people may eventually try to sue Intel or AMD cause someone encounter something like a CPU rated for 2.4GHz only runs at 2.36GHz or 2.38GHz or something like that. :rolleyes:
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Well now its standard that sandwiches are shorter than 12".
When you look at the average weight of an American the average sandwich lenght should be closer to 4" instead of 12.
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Subway think its fantastic the worldwide publicity they are getting is worth its weight in gold :)
Everyone is going to buy one to check it out as well :rofl
This Apple and Samsung nonsense was the same :)
Arguments over Darwin and Greebo being related to monkeys is exactly the same, the deniers of evolution like the publicity to keep in the lime lite :)
That new map is fantastic and so is my new i7 4.3ghz £2000 pc :rofl
it had a radiator bigger than my car :)
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if I go buy 1/2 " cdx plywood it is actually 15/32" I want my other 1/32" that I paid for :devil I mean come on, has anyone ever weighed the food that you buy in a store? I have and its sometimes a little lower and sometimes a little over(did a study in high school of this)
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plywood is a myth like Unicorns :old:
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Was the tape measure used to measure the sub sandwich checked for accuracy?
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Thats right, do away with class actions so if the frauds are tiny enough they wont be worthwhile to pursue individually, free money for the fraudster.
I worked a class action against a municipality a few years ago where they had charged 5700 people over a period of 5 years with violations of a nonexistent ordinance with an average fine of $80.00. The city attorneys position when the flaw in the law was pointed out was "sue us", he fought the class action status tooth and nail and had a federal judge not approved class action the town would have skated on it.
shamus
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How long is the bread before it is cooked?
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1 foot :old:
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end of lawsuit!
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Was the tape measure used to measure the sub sandwich checked for accuracy?
When I used to install closet doors for homedepot I bought a tape measure that was missing the 9, cut short about 20 doors before I figure it out.
Midway
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How long is the bread before it is cooked?
1 foot :old:
You guys have never cooked anything, have you? Your parents should file a class action lawsuit against the gene pool.
Midway
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you missing the point that it's not that they make the sandwiches at 11 inches, but the fact that they promote them as a foot long or 12 inches.
I'll give you an example from last year. I went to my local grocery store and they had the amaretto disarono at about 12 buck which is 5 bucks lower than normal. so I bought it. the sale ended about 4 days later, but I kept going back to the store and on the shelf they had the same sale price for 2 weeks at 12 bucks. when I went to the register they would ring it up at 17 dollars plust change and I would point it out that the shelf said 12 dollars and they would check and adjust the price. I bought about 5 or 6 bottles untill the manager noticed it and asked one of the clerks to fix the price on the shelf.
I just wonder how many people bought that bottle in those 2 weeks because it was at 12 dollars but didnt notice that they were charged 17. you think they would have removed the sign the first time I told them that the price on the shelf was different.
those few bucks add up pretty soon and the only thing that stops companies is lawsuits.
midway
Following that logic, its just as bad if the sandwich is slightly thinner, but LONGER than 12", as that is still false advertising.
Apparently its an issue of not getting what is advertised, and not about being short-changed. At least according to you. That being said, do you think its reasonable for them to measure every sandwich before they sell it? What is acceptable margin of error? Do you demand they use a microscope to confirm exact length?
Where does it end? I'd rather see a ban on frivolous lawsuits and take the RISK to civil liberties, rather than see society squabble over the length of a sandwich in what is supposed to be an institution of respectability.
You seem to dislike big government and businesses, but step back and look at things with a modicum of rationality. Does squashed bread (and that's all it is, subway isn't trying to cut corners) really warrant a lawsuit?
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Following that logic, its just as bad if the sandwich is slightly thinner, but LONGER than 12", as that is still false advertising.
Apparently its an issue of not getting what is advertised, and not about being short-changed. At least according to you. That being said, do you think its reasonable for them to measure every sandwich before they sell it? What is acceptable margin of error? Do you demand they use a microscope to confirm exact length?
Where does it end? I'd rather see a ban on frivolous lawsuits and take the RISK to civil liberties, rather than see society squabble over the length of a sandwich in what is supposed to be an institution of respectability.
You seem to dislike big government and businesses, but step back and look at things with a modicum of rationality. Does squashed bread (and that's all it is, subway isn't trying to cut corners) really warrant a lawsuit?
you too speak before you look up the facts dont ya? subway bread is put into molds and the molds are 11 inches long not 12. this is not an "accident" that happens during baking.
look at this video at 11 seconds, you can clearly see the bread is in molds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSxBh23ajJ4
I clearly remember the commercials that would advertise their footlong sandwiches as being 12 inches as they had a ruler next to it. now everybody knows that subway is putting less "meat" into their sandwiches now a days and that is cool as they dont advertise how much they put in every sandwich.
you are familiar with the quarter pounder from macdonalds? well if you see the asterisk they always mention that the weight is before it is cooked. nothing wrong with subway putting an asterisk and mentioning that their footlong is only 11 inches.
midway
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Well you see, the hole in your logic is the many subs I've had that are over 12 inches, in addition to those under 12 inches.
I have no idea why, but you just really want to assume Subway is doing it intentionally, which is a bit irrational at this point. Innocent until proven guilty, and burden of proof rests with the accuser.
Therefore I assume the plaintiff is being a love muffin and a moron until I see substantial evidence to the contrary.
Right now, I feel like writing a letter of support and encouragement to subway. Keep up the good work fellas, teach those probably overweight and lazy peasants that bread is not rigid.
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It was 1 foot 2 inches :old:
Its a disgrace, I tossed and turned all night :)
Who cares if Subway get sued I don't own the company :old:
Woolworth's has closed down as well :old:
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Well you see, the hole in your logic is the many subs I've had that are over 12 inches, in addition to those under 12 inches.
I have no idea why, but you just really want to assume Subway is doing it intentionally, which is a bit irrational at this point. Innocent until proven guilty, and burden of proof rests with the accuser.
Therefore I assume the plaintiff is being a love muffin and a moron until I see substantial evidence to the contrary.
Right now, I feel like writing a letter of support and encouragement to subway. Keep up the good work fellas, teach those probably overweight and lazy peasants that bread is not rigid.
km
see the logic in your bs is that franchises do what the parent company tells them to do. all the food and molds and equipment is bought from them, then cannot go to the open market and get molds. all the molds are 11 inches as that is the size they buy from the parent company. I am pretty sure employes do not make it a point of "compressing" or "stretching" the bread to make it a certain size.
and go ahead and write a letter of support as that is your right and I encourage you to do it if you think it's the right thing to do.
midway
edit: I almost forgot, there's a simple reason why you cannot just stretch/compress the size of subway bread without customers noticing right away. take a wild guess what it is.
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Fact is that their sandwiches vary in length, generally by about +/- 1 1/2".
Clearly that indicates the molds don't produce a consistent and uniform loaf of bread.
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Fact is that their sandwiches vary in length, generally by about +/- 1 1/2"
not when placed in a mold, that's the reason for them being in a mold for all the bread to be uniform in size and that is a fact. that is why there's a consistency in weight and length/thickness of the dough being put in a mold. they are all done in machines. just ask mcdonalds, burger king, and all the other big franchises, they want everybody to have the same taste, look and size no matter where it is bought.
midway
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Then not all franchises use molds clearly.
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Then not all franchises use molds clearly.
another dumb statement from you. they all do. it is required by subway. they control everything even down to where you buy the salt shakers.
midway
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Then explain the variation in sandwich length. If you think they're all uniform, your stupidity has surpassed what can be expressed with language.
Either the molds don't work perfectly, or they aren't always used.
You're irrationally attacking a sandwich shop, likely because you think they're excessively greedy, rather than for any sound, logical, sensible reason.
Your type of thinking fuels the issues of our society.
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Then explain the variation in sandwich length. If you think they're all uniform, your stupidity has surpassed what can be expressed with language.
Either the molds don't work perfectly, or they aren't always used.
You're irrationally attacking a sandwich shop, likely because you think they're excessively greedy, rather than for any sound, logical, sensible reason.
Your type of thinking fuels the issues of our society.
only explanation is because you are full of it. get in the kitchen and bake some bread put it in a mold then see how many are different in sizes.
midway
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Can't argue with sandwich length semp. Quit your rantings, and everyone involved will be much happier.
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Tank-Ace has a vested interest in debunking the claims of semp and others supporting this lawsuit
If Subway gets sued and has to cut down its operation, or close entirely, he would lose his job as a sandwich artist :old:
Does it nesicarially matter?
You can easily see that he hasn't got a hope of getting into college or landing a real job
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Tank-Ace has a vested interest in debunking the claims of semp and others supporting this lawsuit
If Subway gets sued and has to cut down its operation, or close entirely, he would lose his job as a sandwich artist :old:
You can easily see that he hasn't got a hope of getting into college or landing a real job
you mean sandwich enlarger. all the sandwiches at his store are over 12 inches long. at the risk of sounding racist is that store located in a non-white area?
midway
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Using my 'smart' phone with small virtual QWERTY keypad, and profoundly dumb spell check
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I am gonna get Subways for lunch today :banana:
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Missing that 1 inch...It's just the tip :bolt:
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What about pie shops! :old:
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What about pie shops! :old:
dont even joke about that. pies are sacred, I carry a rope in my car for those shops that give less than a big slice of pie.
midway
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What about pie shops! :old:
There are many good pie shops here zack :old: it is a favourite dish of the colonials in this part of the world
you should come visit me and help me keep an eye on them :salute
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You guys have never cooked anything, have you? Your parents should file a class action lawsuit against the gene pool.
Midway
just baked a loaf of home made bread today....oh and home made chicken and dumpling soup..with the hard doughy dumplings....mmmmm
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Missing that 1 inch...It's just the tip :bolt:
must be a kosher loaf
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Subway should simply change the name of the foot-long and 6-inch subs to "Full" and "Half" subs. As it is they are falsely advertising their product. Worth a class action suit? Maybe, it depends if this is an isolated incident or a planned deceptive trade strategy by the company. If McDonalds 1/4 pounders only used 3/8 of a pound (weight before cooking) it would be the same thing. All in how they describe the product.
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Go in any mcdonalds, it will clearly say under the burgers "Weight before cooking"
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There are many good pie shops here zack :old: it is a favourite dish of the colonials in this part of the world
you should come visit me and help me keep an eye on them :salute
Fantastic :old:
I am enquiring about booking a berth on a packet steamer from Liverpool for £5 and 6d :old:
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OK, but what is the allowable tolerance on the .25 lb burger patty? 1/3 of an oz would be equivalent to the 1 inch of sammich.
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