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Title: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: tuton25 on January 26, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
I was thinking the JU-188, HE-177, P.108, or Z.1007
Give us something different other than the usual B-17/B-24/Lancaster
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: Zacherof on January 26, 2013, 10:52:51 PM
+1 for 188 and 177
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: Karnak on January 27, 2013, 01:17:37 AM
You left out H8K2.  :p

Ju188 and Z.1007 aren't really heavies though.
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: SmokinLoon on January 27, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Remember the concept of "heavy" bomber was a bit different for the Axis powers. They really didn't need them (or rather heavy bombers didn't fit in to their strategy), and when they (mainly the Germans) did get their hands dirty in heavy bombers they were not all that successful for a multitude of reasons.

I think the Axis would be far better served to add in the He111.   :aok  Not only is it the biggest hole in Germany's planet set list, it is the most glaring and obvious "huh, what do you mean we don't have it?" in AH's planet set.   :aok

In general, the Japanese have there 3 most important bombers in terms of production numbers and impact (G4M Betty, Ki-67 Peggy, and B5N Kate), and the Germans have 2 of their 3 biggest players (Ju88, Ju87G), but really could use the He111.  It wouldn't be a hanger queen any more than the B26 or B25.  The Italians... well their P.108 performed well and had great potential but only 25 of them were built and they really didnt accomplish much or had an impact on anything.       
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: titanic3 on January 27, 2013, 10:07:58 AM
Do-217
Ju-188
He-111 (a BoB and late war variant)

H8K
D4Y2
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: Zacherof on January 27, 2013, 01:31:12 PM
Oh forgot about the flying pemcil
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: Easyscor on January 27, 2013, 01:52:11 PM
The He111 is the most glaring hole but the Ju-188 saw effective use at Stalingrad in 1942-43 after the commanders in theater finally started using them properly. Prior to that they were slaughtered as unescorted transports. Reference Stalingrad by Antony Beevor. Great book.
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: Eric19 on January 27, 2013, 02:14:58 PM
Bring on the HE177 :) +1 to all but especially the HE177............topspeed of 351mph at 19k................with up to a 15,000lb payload.............20mm..... .13mms..............HTC GIVE ME THE HE177 PLZ
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: Karnak on January 27, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
Bring on the HE177 :) +1 to all but especially the HE177............topspeed of 351mph at 19k................with up to a 15,000lb payload.............20mm..... .13mms..............HTC GIVE ME THE HE177 PLZ
This here is why I don't think the He177 should be added.  It was a complete disaster in actual service and people think it would be, by far, the best heavy bomber in AH after the B-29.
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: tuton25 on January 27, 2013, 04:18:34 PM
Most of the problems for the HE-177 were the engines were unreliable, but when used in a slight dive to get to top speed they were almost unstopable
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: Krusty on January 28, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
It's a fallacy that the axis even NEEDS a "heavy bomber" -- it wasn't part of the axis bomber fleets in WW2. German, Italian, and Japanese bombers, even the big ones that went long ranges, weren't "heavy" bombers. They focused on smaller bombloads. They focused on smaller bombs. It's just what they did. They didn't fly B-17 or Lancaster equivelants.

So if you want to fly a B-17 or Lanc in this game, DO IT! Don't go asking for a mythological axis equivelant. They really didn't exist.


P.S. Bring on the He111 and Ju188!!
Title: Re: Axis Heavy Bomber
Post by: tunnelrat on January 30, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
I for one would love to fly the P.108B or the HE-177A5.