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Title: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: lulu on January 27, 2013, 12:56:52 PM
Why not?

We have stall limiter.
We could have also an option to off the counter-torque in mono-engine planes.


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Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: guncrasher on January 27, 2013, 01:17:48 PM
Why not?

We have stall limiter.
We could have also an option to off the counter-torque in mono-engine planes.


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I find that if I lean the opposite way that counteracts about 1/2 the torque.  of course you need trakir for this to work properly.


midway
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Karnak on January 27, 2013, 01:28:00 PM
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Wut?

Are you asking for something to eliminate the torque or are you looking for a setting to allow the torque?
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 27, 2013, 03:09:32 PM
he wants to have an option like the stall limiter to disable engine torque.

ack-ack
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: hitech on January 27, 2013, 03:18:38 PM
The stall limiter does not disable stalls, it simply stops you from pulling the stick as much. Hence the plane will fly exactly as if a person does not use the stall limiter.

What you are asking for is very different in that it would modify the flight model , and hence how the plane flys and performs.

HiTech
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Karnak on January 27, 2013, 03:19:49 PM
No idea how that could be balanced.  The stall limiter is balanced by not being able to get the most out of your airplane.  Would the torque limiter do the same?  Would having both enabled reduce your maneuverability more than just having one enabled?

No, I think this is a bad idea.
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: earl1937 on January 27, 2013, 03:20:53 PM
Why not?

We have stall limiter.
We could have also an option to off the counter-torque in mono-engine planes.


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:airplane: Tell you what, we will just have the manufactories "off-set" the vertical stab enough to counter torque and "P" factor and that will fix your problem! Of course, you won't be able to fly as fast, or manuver as well in ACM, but what the heck, we need to get rid of that nagging tendencty to turn left in American aircraft, right? You need to review what the stall limiter is in the game for and the effects, both on and off! Oh, and by the way, now as you slow down to land or manuver, your aircraft is now going to turn right instead of left. Can't win either way can we?
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: RTHolmes on January 27, 2013, 03:23:17 PM
No, learn some throttle control.

and turn your stall limiter off!
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Tank-Ace on January 27, 2013, 03:44:50 PM
I'll be honest, I flew the K4 a lot, often with the throttle wide open and I didn't have any problems handling the torque.

Only one I ever had the slightest problem with was the Typhy on takeoff and landing.
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: waystin2 on January 27, 2013, 04:21:31 PM
Um, they have this feature.  You just pick a plane without nasty torque characteristics. :aok
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: lulu on January 27, 2013, 10:47:56 PM
Torque rotation causes joystick consuption. An option to disable it would not be bad I tought.


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Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Drano on January 27, 2013, 11:17:37 PM
Torque rotation causes joystick consuption. An option to disable it would not be bad I tought.


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?? WhatchootalkinboutWillis??

Using combat trim will tend to negate most of your problem until you might get too slow for it to be effective. By then no magic button is likely to save you. Sayin.

If your problem is taking off--use auto takeoff. Again-problem solved.

These planes had props that had weight and were spinning around. That means they had torque effect. it was part of flying these planes. The only one in our set that doesn't is the P-38 and that's because the props turn in opposite directions cancelling out the torque effect. Of course this all goes out the window when you lose and engine. Which happens to me at least--a lot. Just gotta deal with it. Use trim. Use rudder. Do what ya gotta do.
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Zacherof on January 28, 2013, 12:00:41 AM
Hmmm stay away from the ensign eliminator then :airplane:
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: FLS on January 28, 2013, 03:53:19 AM
Torque rotation causes joystick consuption. An option to disable it would not be bad I tought.


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Joysticks wear out because of poor design not because torque is integral to the flight model.
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: lulu on February 02, 2013, 02:11:01 PM
"What you are asking for is very different in that it would modify the flight model , and hence how the plane flys and performs."

What do You mean exactly with that?


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Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Reaper90 on February 02, 2013, 02:42:09 PM
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Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Mongoose on February 04, 2013, 09:44:51 PM
  Fly the P-38.  Counter-rotating props = no counter-torque.  Problem solved, and without changing the flight model.
   
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Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Tank-Ace on February 04, 2013, 11:35:14 PM
Or you could just man-up and deal with the negligible amount of torque. Really the only time you should notice it is when you just let go of the stick without autopilot.
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: SAJ73 on February 05, 2013, 05:45:22 AM
Having to deal with prop torque is a part of the charm of flying old WW2 planes, that's my opinion anyway.. I like it, it gives the flying some feel of realism.
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Vinkman on February 05, 2013, 10:17:16 AM
"What you are asking for is very different in that it would modify the flight model , and hence how the plane flys and performs."

What do You mean exactly with that?


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He means torque on the plane is a by product of the Thrust produced by the propeller. The only way to not generate torque on the plane is to cut the power. What you are asking for is at full power, to atrificially set the torque to zero. That means going into the flight model calulation (where forces on the plane are generated) and setting one of the variable to Zero. That would make your plane fly different, over it's entire operating range, vs "Normal" planes. The stall limitter does not change any forces being generated by the flight model. The stall limitter instead, limits the input from your joystick when the stall buzzer is activated., hence it controls user inputs, not the flight model. If you applied this thinking to Torque it would be like closing the throttle to stop torque effects.

But under what situations would you want the trottle to close automatically? Hence adding an "user input limit" functon like the stall limitter doesn't make sense.
Changing the forces on your plane over the entire operational range of the plane, is probably something HTC would not entertain.

hope that helps.  :salute
Title: Re: an option to stop the prop counter-torque
Post by: Reaper90 on February 05, 2013, 02:56:39 PM
I think we should have the option of turning off gravity and physics in general. HiTech already has the Claw flight model. Why not? I mean, we have stall limiter... And it would make my joystick last longer if I was'nt constantly having to fight against the laws of physics....

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