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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: flight17 on February 04, 2013, 11:02:38 PM
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Was doing some research on a C47 the museum I belong to will be getting and found a very short insert from a book about another plane that was in the same troop carrier squad.
The c47 in question was 43-16389, named Stuka Chaser. After reading this small clip I serched online for a better brief and found this:
Long story short, on May 9th, 1945 the crew was flying a resupply mission from their hospital base @ A-28, S.E. of Paris to R-26 hospital near Hannover. Someone decided it would be 'fun' to fly into Czechoslovakia to add to their collective 'Short Snorter' bills. En route they encountered a 12 seat German twin engined transport, they flew up alongside and poked 1911 COLTS and a THOMPSON Machine Gun out the window ports and cargo door and forced the German to fly back to their hospital field, where there were no guns, to score some 'war booty'. The ground echelons stripped the airplane of everything 'neat' before 389 could land and taxi in. The crew decided to see if they could do it again and took off, they soon encountered a flight of 5 STUKAS and performed the same 'Chicago style' hijacking back to base. The crew quickly painted 'STUKA CHASER' and 6 SWASTIKAS on the left side nose in white along with the other parachutes,gliders, and cargo bundle mission markers.
Thought it was interesting. Though not technically kills, it might as well be. The first clip I read said this was the only C47 that ever had kills painted on the fuselage in th ETO.
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:lol We have to have that skin in the game now. Do you have any pics of this bird by chance?
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:lol We have to have that skin in the game now. Do you have any pics of this bird by chance?
Just what I was about to say. Dang skippy this one needs to be included. :rock
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/img107_zps22aca3ca.jpg)
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Awesome Lyric. :aok
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it is a good thing it was towards the end of the war when the germans were surrendering by the hundreds of thousands. had it been the year before the c47 would have been another allied airplane lost.
midway
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We have the C47A in the game. I wonder if the powers to be would even allow this skin seeing as how the Stuka Chaser is a C47B. :headscratch:
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We have the C47A in the game. I wonder if the powers to be would even allow this skin seeing as how the Stuka Chaser is a C47B. :headscratch:
It will be fine. :aok
Found an old magazine I just ordered from 1986 about this aircraft says it has illustrations as well?
Article was written by the pilot.
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The stukas had several machineguns and would have promptly shot the C47 down on sight. It was not a kill it was accepting surrender.
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Surrender or not the traditional definition accounted for forcing an aircraft down, so it counts.
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Someone post this in the Skins forum as a request please!! :pray
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Surrender or not the traditional definition accounted for forcing an aircraft down, so it counts.
It was not forcing if the other side voluntarily followed their orders. The Stuka had ample firepower and manouverability to shoot down a C47 even singlehanded.
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This potentially could be the dumbest argument yet.
Going to make a time machine and go back and make the crew scrub those kill markings off?
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This potentially could be the dumbest argument yet.
Going to make a time machine and go back and make the crew scrub those kill markings off?
It's a historical fact that uncormed kills were rewarded to buff crews as morale boosters. I see nothing dissimilar with this.
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The reason the German air crews surrendered is irrelevant. The fact is they surrendered to this C-47 and that is considered a victory. How many guns and of what caliber the Stukas had is of no matter because they decided not to use them.
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The reason the German air crews surrendered is irrelevant. The fact is they surrendered to this C-47 and that is considered a victory. How many guns and of what caliber the Stukas had is of no matter because they decided not to use them.
So with your logic when 'the war is over' at MA the winning side should score kills from all the remaining players on the opposite side? :devil
Ok, dumb topic to argue of.. they got their credit and that's that.
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No but if an enemy cartoon pilot surrenders, flies over to your airfield and ditches, you do get the "kill".
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I wonder if putting on a skin with a white flag on it would make the field guns stop from shooting? :rofl
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so we're adding tommy guns to the goon? AWESOME LOL :bhead
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I wonder if putting on a skin with a white flag on it would make the field guns stop from shooting? :rofl
No, he'd have to deack the field first. Then land. :D
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One of the best reads I've seen. :aok :aok :aok
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It's unfortunate it was scrapped in 1963.
ack-ack
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It's unfortunate it was scrapped in 1963.
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That's what I was thinking too. I can't believe they didn't care how rare this plane was.
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Also a spot of luck for the US crew that they most likely ran into a flight of Stukas that were probably on their way to an Allied field to surrender to avoid being captured by the advancing Soviets. The transport they also forced to land was probably doing the same things the Stuka crews were doing.
ack-ack
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Partial photo & description of the plane from the pilot.
Enough to do a skin. :aok
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it is a good thing it was towards the end of the war when the germans were surrendering by the hundreds of thousands. had it been the year before the c47 would have been another allied airplane lost.
Well, "towards the end of the war".... That's slightly inaccurate. The war in Europe was OVER when this happened. German forces had already surrendered unconditionally.
Millions of German soldiers were still in process of laying down their arms. Airmen, too. This transport and the Stukas gave their surrender to another transport plane. No different to what was happening all over the continent. But a good story with a happy ending, anyway.
And the Stukas were most likely armed with 2 x 20 mm cannons. A C-47 would have been dead meat, if the war was still on, but of course, they wouldn't be flying alone in enemy territory without escort either.
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Your right it happened post war skin won't qualify.
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Post VE-Day is not necessarily post war... What did that C-47 do afterwards? Redeployed to the Pacific perhaps?
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Just an FYI. The pilot in question was my grandfather. These events actually happened and were written up in Stars and Stripes. He went on to also fly in Korea and retired a Lt Colonel. Loved his stories.
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Yeah, May 9, 1945 was four days after the German surrender, and my understanding (from study and various accounts) was that the Germans were doing everything possible to surrender to the Americans rather than to the Russians.
So, how long has those Stukas been flying around looking for an American a/c to surrender to? if they'd just flown to an American base, the odds were probably pretty good that they'd have been shot down? Officially, lowering your landing gear in the presence of 'the enemy' was a sign of surrender, but Stukas are fixed gear, so....
Just my thoughts.
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Li2 had defensive armament so it's likely that at least one unfortunate attacker got hit.
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The goon in Air Warrior had a right side gun in the back thru one of the windows or a door, I forget.
Very few in AWknew this.
I had 2 kills in that beautiful C-47 in AW.
On as pilot and one as gunner.
CPID of the other player we took turns flying and gunning a single goon was EMPTY, EMT or something similar.
<Salute> to EMT also with 2 C-47 kills were ever you are.
(https://fullfatthings-keyaero.b-cdn.net/sites/keyaero/files/imported/img_7-1_32.jpg)
pic from:
https://www.key.aero/article/cafs-d-day-lead-c-47-flies
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The goon in Air Warrior had a right side gun in the back thru one of the windows or a door, I forget.
Very few in AWknew this.
I had 2 kills in that beautiful C-47 in AW.
On as pilot and one as gunner.
CPID of the other player we took turns flying and gunning a single goon was EMPTY, EMT or something similar.
<Salute> to EMT also with 2 C-47 kills were ever you are.
(https://fullfatthings-keyaero.b-cdn.net/sites/keyaero/files/imported/img_7-1_32.jpg)
pic from:
https://www.key.aero/article/cafs-d-day-lead-c-47-flies
looking from the front it was on the left side.
semp
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I think c47s got more kills in Vietnam and Honduras than ww2
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C47's gun in AW was the crew chief standing in the rear side door with a .45 pistol.