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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: monroekw on February 10, 2013, 10:22:28 AM
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I did a search on this but could not find any info. Has anyone posted their programming for the buttons on the throttle/stick? If not, is anyone willing to share?
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Learning someone else's setup is harder than making your own. Just assign the few commands that you use often to convenient buttons and add more commands later as you need them. Then you'll have a setup that works for you and you'll find it easier to remember which button does what.
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I should have mentioned that you don't need to use the TARGET software. It's easy to assign buttons in Aces High, you can even assign them in flight in clipboard options/controls/map controllers.
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Tried programming mine when i first got it. What a useless headache.
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If you don't use the target programming you're cutting the sticks potential in half. The custom capabilities it provides is what makes it awesome.
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If you don't use the target programming you're cutting the sticks potential in half. The custom capabilities it provides is what makes it awesome.
Outside of the functions like shooting the guns and making the plane move are there some examples of what you can do with yours that i'm missing out on? I use the in game functions and think it does real good. What am i missing out on? When I tried the program software it annoyed me to no end.
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Outside of the functions like shooting the guns and making the plane move are there some examples of what you can do with yours that i'm missing out on? I use the in game functions and think it does real good. What am i missing out on? When I tried the program software it annoyed me to no end.
Not sure if there is a way to do these in aces... so no warranty expressed or implied.
1. Dual Stage trigger... Half pull is primary guns, full pull is both primary and secondary.
2. Utilizing the afterburner detent on the throttle for WEP.
3. Adding commands to an axis... Like the slider which I use for RPM... This way I can auto kill engine when rpm to minimum... And auto on when RPM up... Excellent for damage control situations... Example, Oil and radiator hits: for feathering the prop and not bleeding oil/overheating your engine.
4. Macro commands... All salvo, delay, speed, downtime and sequencing commands with single button press.
5. Utilization of shift button commands so each button can have an alternate function when the shift button is pressed.
6. The boat switch for command modes allow programming different functions for each button while in that mode.
7. Short burst firing... Example when I have my shift button in and pull the trigger, it will only fire 10 rounds... Great for pinging a running bandit but not going overboard and wasting ammo.
That's just a few I can think of off the top of my head... I'm sure there are more, the possibilities are endless.
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You don't need target for the dual stage trigger. AH sees both stages of the trigger as separate buttons.
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You don't need target for the dual stage trigger. AH sees both stages of the trigger as separate buttons.
Not sure if there is a way to do these in aces... so no warranty expressed or implied.
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Back to the original question. Does anyone have their T.A.R.G.E.T programming posted somewhere? I am trying to use T.A.R.G.E.T. To program my HOTAS Cougar and I am having some success but... Not everything works. I can get buttons to work but the X, Y and Z Axis don't work. If I can make it work I see the tremendous potential in using T.A.R.G.E.T to run the stick and throttle. I just need some help. Maybe someone knows a website that has programming tips. I already know about Warthog World.
Thank you in advance,
Craig
BSB
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Back to the original question. Does anyone have their T.A.R.G.E.T programming posted somewhere? I am trying to use T.A.R.G.E.T. To program my HOTAS Cougar and I am having some success but... Not everything works. I can get buttons to work but the X, Y and Z Axis don't work. If I can make it work I see the tremendous potential in using T.A.R.G.E.T to run the stick and throttle. I just need some help. Maybe someone knows a website that has programming tips. I already know about Warthog World.
Thank you in advance,
Craig
BSB
I have my old HOTAS Cougar config files from when I programmed it all within Foxy if you'd like those... just PM me and I'll send em off if you're interested. I actually miss the programming in Foxy ... it was faster, and persistent.
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Not sure if there is a way to do these in aces... so no warranty expressed or implied.
1. Dual Stage trigger... Half pull is primary guns, full pull is both primary and secondary.
2. Utilizing the afterburner detent on the throttle for WEP.
3. Adding commands to an axis... Like the slider which I use for RPM... This way I can auto kill engine when rpm to minimum... And auto on when RPM up... Excellent for damage control situations... Example, Oil and radiator hits: for feathering the prop and not bleeding oil/overheating your engine.
4. Macro commands... All salvo, delay, speed, downtime and sequencing commands with single button press.
5. Utilization of shift button commands so each button can have an alternate function when the shift button is pressed.
6. The boat switch for command modes allow programming different functions for each button while in that mode.
7. Short burst firing... Example when I have my shift button in and pull the trigger, it will only fire 10 rounds... Great for pinging a running bandit but not going overboard and wasting ammo.
That's just a few I can think of off the top of my head... I'm sure there are more, the possibilities are endless.
Hadnt thought of some of those at all! Thanks for some ideas. I use my keyboard for macros and hadn't thought of the stick to do that. :salute
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Back to the original question. Does anyone have their T.A.R.G.E.T programming posted somewhere? I am trying to use T.A.R.G.E.T. To program my HOTAS Cougar and I am having some success but... Not everything works. I can get buttons to work but the X, Y and Z Axis don't work. If I can make it work I see the tremendous potential in using T.A.R.G.E.T to run the stick and throttle. I just need some help. Maybe someone knows a website that has programming tips. I already know about Warthog World.
Thank you in advance,
Craig
BSB
You have to assign the axis in Aces High.
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Pand,
Thank you for the offer, but I am trying to program the Cougar HOTAS with the T.A.R.G.E.T. software. It just works easier for me than Foxy. I will admit I didn't put much time into Foxy, who knows it might work better, BUT... I am giving T.A.R.G.E.T. a try. I was able to program the stick in the advanced mode fairly quickly using T.A.R.G.E.T. Still haven't tried anything to radical with it yet but I am just starting.
FLS,
Thank you for that information. But I would like to get the axis programmed in T.A.R.G.E.T. if I can. I believe I will have better control of dampening, dead zones, curves, etc... in T.A.R.G.E.T. than Aces High. After some reading it seems that the Cougar HOTAS hides the directX axis inputs from Windows, unless you go into the Cougar Control Panel and check a box to make the Cougar Stick unhide the axis from windows. Interesting... more things to try.
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Thank you for that information. But I would like to get the axis programmed in T.A.R.G.E.T. if I can. I believe I will have better control of dampening, dead zones, curves, etc... in T.A.R.G.E.T. than Aces High. After some reading it seems that the Cougar HOTAS hides the directX axis inputs from Windows, unless you go into the Cougar Control Panel and check a box to make the Cougar Stick unhide the axis from windows. Interesting... more things to try.
If the programming for the cougar in TARGET is similar to the warthog, you can program custom commands (like WEP) at the top 10% of the throttle in TARGET; however, after all that is done you still have to tell Aces which axis to link the throttle to.
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Pand,
Interesting, I did not know that. I will go into Aces High and tell the program what axis need to be linked to what directions. Then I can start flying and try shaping the curves and trying some radical programming. (WEP top 10% of throttle).
Craig
BSB
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To be a little more specific...
Here is a screenshot of the throttle config in TARGET. You want to match the WEP command "p" to just right after you pass the detent on your Cougar or Warthog (which would normally be the afterburner). You will likely have to play with the percentage to get it just right to match your stick, but for my warthog you'll see it is at 75% of the entire throttle range.
(http://s12.postimage.org/yxosc6kxp/Throttle_WEP.jpg)
After getting the above accurate, when you go into Aces, assign the axis to throttle1, and then calibrate just that axis from zero throttle until you hit the detent (Don't show aces that the area past the detent even exists... this way your aircraft throttle will be at 100% when in the detent, and via TARGET will engage WEP Past the detent.)
Hope this helps!
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Pand,
Yes your information has helped a great deal. Very cool programming on the image. I saved your image for later. Hey is that one key you have mapped (H2U) to enter in a dot speed command with one press of a button?
Craig
BSB
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Pand and FLS,
Thank you for the help. I mapped the axis in Aces High to the HOTAS Virtual joystick and vola! It works! Thank you both for all your suggestions. I have my stick now programmed for the low range [D] to be GVs the mid range, or default [M] to be fighters. A little more time and I will have the Upper Range programmed for bombers. Then I can try some more interesting programming on the stick. For now I need to get the Antenna pot replaced as it show as either of or full on with no range in between. Will have to call thrustmaster for a replacement. Once again thank you both for your time and help.
Craig
BSB
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Pand and FLS,
Thank you for the help. I mapped the axis in Aces High to the HOTAS Virtual joystick and vola! It works! Thank you both for all your suggestions. I have my stick now programmed for the low range [D] to be GVs the mid range, or default [M] to be fighters. A little more time and I will have the Upper Range programmed for bombers. Then I can try some more interesting programming on the stick. For now I need to get the Antenna pot replaced as it show as either of or full on with no range in between. Will have to call thrustmaster for a replacement. Once again thank you both for your time and help.
Craig
BSB
You are welcome! Any other questions don't hesitate to ask! :salute
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I have had a Warthog since the first delivery group and have tried using Target to do what I wanted in AH exactly 3 times. It sucked all across the board for me but then I really preferred using FOXY for the programming; mainly because I don't like writing code in order to use a controller to play a game.
In Blackshark or A-10C I use other peoples configs since they are easier to learn instead of writing out new codes.
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Pand,
Question, I have tried to map the HOTAS Cougar Throttle Antenna and the Slider (T10 I believe) to an analog axis in Aces High. In this case I tried to map it to the Tank gun-sight. The problem is the Antenna shows up as completely off or completely on. The T.A.R.G.E.T. software device analyzer shows it has variable. Just like moving the throttle. Why is it showing in Aces High as just an on off switch? And How can I make it show as an analog axis like it is supposed to be. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Craig
BSB
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Pand,
Question, I have tried to map the HOTAS Cougar Throttle Antenna and the Slider (T10 I believe) to an analog axis in Aces High. In this case I tried to map it to the Tank gun-sight. The problem is the Antenna shows up as completely off or completely on. The T.A.R.G.E.T. software device analyzer shows it has variable. Just like moving the throttle. Why is it showing in Aces High as just an on off switch? And How can I make it show as an analog axis like it is supposed to be. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Craig
BSB
Once the configuration is downloaded,
Do the axes show up in windows under your game controller?
Then, do the raw values in aces high register as an analog axis?
If not you might not have the right type of axis identified for those functions in Target as you can select different types.
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Pand,
Thank you for the advice it was exactly as you said it was. I just needed to map the correct axis to my antenna pot and now I have it mapped to my GV gunsight and I can adjust the gunsight using the antenna pot! Great! Now if you don't mine some other questions...
1) My other axis (Throttle mostly) are off. My throttle in game will go from full throttle to off with only half the physical movement of my Cougar HOTAS throttle. I know it must be a calibration issue but where do I calibrate it? Using T.A.R.G.E.T. it takes me to windows to calibrate. In game has it's own calibration. Where do I start? Where do I calibrate? Are there 2 files I can delete, one in windows, one in Aces High so I can start from scratch? Where are they located and what are there names? And when I recalibrate where do I start first?
2) Second I was wondering if there was a way to increase the size of any axis by double. This may be complicated to explain but here goes. Lets say I am in a bomber and trying to shoot down a plane on my six. I find that zoomed in or not when I try to put the pipper on the fighter it jumps all over the place as any stick input moves the pipper to much. If I could say press a button to double the axis range then the pipper would move half as far with the same stick movement. Giving me finer control over where I put the pipper and a slower response speed so I don't over-control the stick when trying to shoot down the fighter. The same for GV's when I use the tank sight I find the far away targets are hard to sight in because of the movement of the stick. If I could increase the size of the axis by double then the stick motion would be cut in half giving me more precision. Does this make sense? And can it be done. I have seen mice sold with what they call a "Sniper Button" that when you press it accomplishes this action. Button pressed large mouse movements move the gunsight very little allowing more precision.
Well lots of questions I thank you in advance for any you can answer and any you can't I understand. Thank you for trying.
Regards,
Craig
BSB
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Pand,
Thank you for the advice it was exactly as you said it was. I just needed to map the correct axis to my antenna pot and now I have it mapped to my GV gunsight and I can adjust the gunsight using the antenna pot! Great! Now if you don't mine some other questions...
1) My other axis (Throttle mostly) are off. My throttle in game will go from full throttle to off with only half the physical movement of my Cougar HOTAS throttle. I know it must be a calibration issue but where do I calibrate it? Using T.A.R.G.E.T. it takes me to windows to calibrate. In game has it's own calibration. Where do I start? Where do I calibrate? Are there 2 files I can delete, one in windows, one in Aces High so I can start from scratch? Where are they located and what are there names? And when I recalibrate where do I start first?
2) Second I was wondering if there was a way to increase the size of any axis by double. This may be complicated to explain but here goes. Lets say I am in a bomber and trying to shoot down a plane on my six. I find that zoomed in or not when I try to put the pipper on the fighter it jumps all over the place as any stick input moves the pipper to much. If I could say press a button to double the axis range then the pipper would move half as far with the same stick movement. Giving me finer control over where I put the pipper and a slower response speed so I don't over-control the stick when trying to shoot down the fighter. The same for GV's when I use the tank sight I find the far away targets are hard to sight in because of the movement of the stick. If I could increase the size of the axis by double then the stick motion would be cut in half giving me more precision. Does this make sense? And can it be done. I have seen mice sold with what they call a "Sniper Button" that when you press it accomplishes this action. Button pressed large mouse movements move the gunsight very little allowing more precision.
Well lots of questions I thank you in advance for any you can answer and any you can't I understand. Thank you for trying.
Regards,
Craig
BSB
Glad it's working out!
1. In Aces, Under Map Controllers -> Click on Advanced and Manually configure your Axis for each throttle individually. Click on it and then click Calibrate Axis. That should likely address your issue.
2. In Aces, I would suggest you play with scaling. Same thing under Map Controllers -> Advanced... you can adjust the scaling specifically for that axis... on the Y Axis for example, if you have the default scaling you have 'finer' movements near the center of the stick, but as you proceed toward the extremities the movement goes up exponentially.
I haven't done any thing like 'sniper' mode, but you may be able to do something similar in TARGET... not sure.
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i'm thinking of buying this stick. I like all the features Pand listed.Is the code you need to use in programming simple?
~S~ Buck
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It's a GUI interface for programming which is very easy for those without a programming background.
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Thanks ~S~
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Hi guys.
How does your warthogs fare? Are you happy with them in AH?
I consider getting one for myself. But a little bit scared of all these military style switches. How convenient are they compared to usual buttons?
And a price around $500 for unit without required pedals is a little bit high.
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Couldn't be happier. Most of their use is specifically for Aces High.
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The T16000 is a lower budget Hall-effect stick and works with eh GUI as well if I remember right. I have been real happy with mine.