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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Rigger1 on February 15, 2013, 06:53:29 AM
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New Brit carrier based planes, add the firefly or sea fury please!
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we dont have many carrier based aircraft. but i dont think they be used much...then again i could wrong
+1
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Well the firefly has quad hispanos and similar range and fighter bomber characteristics to that of the P51. Where as the Sea Fury has similar armorment, just less range.
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Firefly Mk I would be nice, sadly a much uglier plane than the later versions. Sea Fury was post war and is thus should not be added.
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Prototypes for the Sea Fury were built in February 1945 before the end of the war.
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Prototypes don't count or we could have all sort of stuff like DH Vampires and Hornets, Do 335s, P-80s etc. It needs to have seen squadron level service in WW2 to stand a chance of getting in.
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Fire fly would be nice and a griffon Seafire Mk XV they were in squadron service 1944 :) 360 built by westland alone .
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Is this what you gents are talking about?
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=453
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=650
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Is this what you gents are talking about?
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=453
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=650
Those are the two the OP mentioned, yes.
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so the tempest was in service in 1942? early war please.
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Not sure why the comparison to the P-51.... Top speed was a little over 300 mph at 16K... Our Sea Hurricane does way better than that for the same armament.
It would be interesting as far as aesthetics and variation go, but it seems (IMO) to have had a longer and more interesting post-war career than it ever did in WW2.
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fairley swordfish
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fairley swordfish
with rockets! :aok
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Not sure why the comparison to the P-51.... Top speed was a little over 300 mph at 16K... Our Sea Hurricane does way better than that for the same armament.
It would be interesting as far as aesthetics and variation go, but it seems (IMO) to have had a longer and more interesting post-war career than it ever did in WW2.
Sea Hurri doesn't carry two 1000lb bombs or eight 60lb rockets. probably doesn't have as much 20mm ammo either.
I seem to recall that the firefly Mk I did 316mph, which is, I think, faster than the Sea Hurricane Mk I armed with four 20mm cannons.
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Ok, you're right about the attack capabilities. That would set it apart.
The Firefly hit that 316mph only at FTH of 16K o rso... Meanwhile the Hurr1 breaks 320 and the Sea Hurr is about 318 or so, according to the HTC speed/climb comparison charts. Their FTH is a little lower, but still not too far off.
I can see a use for the Firefly, sure... But I'll stick with my 2 cents about it having a more interesting post-war career than a war-time one. It was a minor player. The FAA lacked a lot of native designs and relied upon imports to get most of its naval aviation done. We pretty much have that covered with FAA skins for F4Us and F6Fs (and F4Fs, too).
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Firefly did some combat in Borneo towards the end of the war, even shot down a plane or two, on the combat capable side it its like flying a BF110C, while you have four hispanos, you have nothing else, no top speed, climb rate etc only Dive.
It did some ground attack, thats about it - by the time they arrived in the PTA the war was pretty much over, think it few a few strikes into Japan, thats it.
Fulmar would be a decent Early war carrier plane, however it had bunch of 303s, very slow - and was not a dedicated fighter.
What you would get is a new plane, but nobody will give it up for a Seafire.
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What you would get is a new plane, but nobody will give it up for a Seafire.
Seafire doesn't carry two 1000lb bombs.
But a Seafire Mk III would be nice.
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Firefly did some combat in Borneo towards the end of the war, even shot down a plane or two, on the combat capable side it its like flying a BF110C, while you have four hispanos, you have nothing else, no top speed, climb rate etc only Dive.
The Firefly would out maneuver the Bf 110C, with the use of flaps the Firefly was able to out turn a Spitfire.
An excerpt from "Duels in the Sky" by Eric M. Brown.
When the Firefly was cruising at 217 knots (250 mph), stability was still neutral around all axes. In spite of moderately heavy control forces, maneuverability with the flaps set at cruise was impressive and the Firefly could out turn the agile Spitfire.
The Firefly would be a good addition for carrier aircraft and it would also open up more scenarios featuring the British Far East and Pacific Fleets.
ack-ack
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+1 for the Firefly!
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The Firefly would out maneuver the Bf 110C, with the use of flaps the Firefly was able to out turn a Spitfire.
An excerpt from "Duels in the Sky" by Eric M. Brown.
When the Firefly was cruising at 217 knots (250 mph), stability was still neutral around all axes. In spite of moderately heavy control forces, maneuverability with the flaps set at cruise was impressive and the Firefly could out turn the agile Spitfire.
The Firefly would be a good addition for carrier aircraft and it would also open up more scenarios featuring the British Far East and Pacific Fleets.
ack-ack
I completely agree, seems my books were little off - then again I kind of stay away from Captain Brown and don't cross reference with him because of the conflict of interest. It would be nice to have the firefly in terms of late war Scenarios with the Far east, TBMs escorted by Firefly's since we dont have the Barracuda (not that we would want it either).
I still want to finish a small plane set for the Burma campaign, with the new Hurricane lineup and Oscar, I think we can start making Burma Scenarios - Hurricanes 2B and 2C's against Oscars, Betties.
If only we had the Wellington (where it served with pride) it would really be a nice touch (rather then the obvious american 4E or Lancaster).