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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JimmyD3 on February 15, 2013, 12:34:22 PM
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Has anyone been shot down, in a bomber, from the strat auto ack? And if so, what were you flying and what was your altitude? :headscratch:
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Has anyone been shot down, in a bomber, from the strat auto ack? And if so, what were you flying and what was your altitude? :headscratch:
Yes. For the current tour alone:
1. Ki-67, 24K, ~325mph
2. Ki-67, 25K, ~325mph
3. Ki-67, 20K, ~325mph
-. G4M, 27K, ~250mph, lost one engine but made it home
4. Ki-67, 20K, ~325mph
5. Ki-67, 20.5K, ~325mph
Most of them weren't instant kills, but fuel tank hits which resulted in running out of fuel while still on my way home.
My total loss quota due to strat puffy for the current tour is at 13%, which is quite high. As you already may have noticed I'm flying only Japanese bombers at the moment. Other bombers are more suriviable, most notably the B-29.
I could make a more comprehensive list for all tours since Sept 12, including many more bomber types. :)
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Thanks Lusche, I appreciate your quick response and statistical verification. I have seen 1 set of B24's shot down by the Strat guns and thats it. It almost "seems" that the Strat guns are useless against bombers at altitude, But I am not seeing the full picture obviously.
. :lol
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P51d 30k.....poof tower
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I could make a more comprehensive list for all tours since Sept 12, including many more bomber types. :)
Leave it to Lusche to have the numbers... he probably has a chart with routes, enemies encountered, damage delt, etc. lying around somewhere as well.
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I've taken many hits, but the only system failure that springs to mind is a fuel leak on the inner port fuel tank of a Mosquito Mk XVI. I was going about 395mph at 28,000ft when I took that hit.
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Lusche: how many times did the strat flak prevent you from dropping bombs on the strat?
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Lusche: how many times did the strat flak prevent you from dropping bombs on the strat?
Never entirely. It sometimes prevented me from dropping a part of my loadout by removing one bomber from my formation and one or two times I had to abort my mission without having dropped all of my bombs.
Here's a chart of my total losses by AA over the strats. DMG only counts incidents with substantial damage on components, not just there mere pings I frequently get.
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/Luschepuffy_zps24026ec2.jpg)
Of course, with the low number of sorties in some types the numbers aren't always representative. One further note: My B-29 sorties frequently leave me loitering in the AA for extended times, notably with the 56x250 and 80x100 loadouts, in which I do 5-9 runs over the target per sortie (taking 20-40 minutes)
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Based on Lusche's very detailed numbers, It suggests that flying a KI-67 over a field will give you the lowest odds of survival. Either that or they were just very lucky shots. Instead take the B-29, you will deal the most damage but still have the highest odds of survival.
My observations by the way are only based on the planes that have 10 sorties or more.
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Leave it to Lusche to have the numbers... he probably has a chart with routes, enemies encountered, damage delt, etc. lying around somewhere as well.
Did miss that one..
Yes, actually I have. :D
I log all my bomber sorties, and the record includes:
Mission number
Side attacked
date
map
take off time
mission type
plane
formation?
fuel
loadout
takeoff time
intitial bombing level
visibility over target
tons actually dropped on target(s)
# and type items destroyed
real destruction in lbs
loadout efficiency
mission duration
real destruction/hour
kills (# and types)
deaths (# and cause)
perk gain (or loss)
displayed "landed damage"
damage score points
remarks
I really would like to see implemented an auto-log option similar to the one used in special events, just that the file is stored on your disk. Especially helpful to track my fighter sorties, which I can't really track manually like I would like to.
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Yes. For the current tour alone:
1. Ki-67, 24K, ~325mph
2. Ki-67, 25K, ~325mph
3. Ki-67, 20K, ~325mph
-. G4M, 27K, ~250mph, lost one engine but made it home
4. Ki-67, 20K, ~325mph
5. Ki-67, 20.5K, ~325mph
Most of them weren't instant kills, but fuel tank hits which resulted in running out of fuel while still on my way home.
My total loss quota due to strat puffy for the current tour is at 13%, which is quite high. As you already may have noticed I'm flying only Japanese bombers at the moment. Other bombers are more suriviable, most notably the B-29.
I could make a more comprehensive list for all tours since Sept 12, including many more bomber types. :)
Yeah those Ki-67s woudl fall into the softer category for sure. I miss taking the G4m or Ki-67 to the strats, fun challenge usualy (compared to the B-17 and B-24 or Lanc - 1/2 defenders = no problem - get dinged 25 times by puffy = no damage).
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Yeah those Ki-67s woudl fall into the softer category for sure.
My problem in the Ki-67 seems to be that the relatively small fuel capacity carried in a few tanks makes a fuel hit much more troublesome. Most of my recent ack deaths were simply by running out of fuel after getting a fuel leak. In other bombers I often have much more reserves avilable.
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P51d 30k.....poof tower
Patch 4 is now available.
Version 2.29 Patch 4 Changes
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Added a return salute (.rs) dot command. Typing .rs will return a salute back to whover saluted you last.
Your plane will no longer try to move when you open your throttle and your tailhook is engaged with the wire. You need to raise your tailhook before you can move. This will prevent planes from getting slung off of the deck.
Made the following changes to the 88mm auto flak.
The maximum range remains at 35000 feet but there is now a maximum horizontal range of about 26000 feet.
Flak now targets bombers in preference to fighters. A fighter must be at least half the distance of the bomber before the flak will target the fighter over the bomber.
Flak will stop firing at at enemy planes that have a friendly plane within 1000 yards of it. It will either switch to a different target or stop firing if no other targets are available.
Fixed a couple more button texture issues on the clipboard.
Added min sortie time requirements to certain achievements like number of sorties and expended ordnance achievements.
Added a display to the achievement menu to show progress to the next star level.
Added a game id display to the achievement menu to show who's achievements you are looking at.
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My problem in the Ki-67 seems to be that the relatively small fuel capacity carried in a few tanks makes a fuel hit much more troublesome. Most of my recent ack deaths were simply by running out of fuel after getting a fuel leak. In other bombers I often have much more reserves avilable.
You didn't by chance log what specific tanks you've lost, did you?
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You didn't by chance log what specific tanks you've lost, did you?
Aux & Fuselage, which both carry a huge part of the Ki-67s fuel. Unlike the B-29, which in all of my 117 strat runs in it got always hit in CTR fuel tank exclusively... which is easy to drain before reaching the target.
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Rolex should market a pocket/app translator dictionary, designed in mind for the aviation enthusiast.
(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq101/shigeko88/album%2019/MaruMech3211.jpg)
(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq101/shigeko88/album%2019/MaruMech3210.jpg)
I wonder if draining the Aux and Fuselage first would yield better results...
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Has anyone been shot down, in a bomber, from the strat auto ack? And if so, what were you flying and what was your altitude? :headscratch:
I watched all three B-29s from knits get roasted by the puffy over our strats on SMPIZZA map.
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I've learned to NEVER take a formation of 29's over a Capital. I have YET to not lose at least one to the puffy. Most of the times, I lose 2. I haven't bothered taking a 29 (or any other bomber simply because I don't log in as often as I wish) over a Capital in some time however. My mission alt generally sits (in the 29's) at around 31-33k, depending. For other bombers, I don't tend to go any higher than 22.5. Most sorties I fly at 20k.
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I've learned to NEVER take a formation of 29's over a Capital. I have YET to not lose at least one to the puffy. Most of the times, I lose 2. I haven't bothered taking a 29 (or any other bomber simply because I don't log in as often as I wish) over a Capital in some time however. My mission alt generally sits (in the 29's) at around 31-33k, depending. For other bombers, I don't tend to go any higher than 22.5. Most sorties I fly at 20k.
I find that utterly surprising. What kind of hits do you get? As you can see by my 117 B-29 strat runs so far, my losses to puffy in the B-29 are negligible. I don't even hesitate to fly around in the strat puffy for half an hour when systematically bombing the City itself... :headscratch:
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I authored an entire "woe-is-me-watch-me-whine" thread over the deaths I was suffering in my Mossie XVI over strats. Think it was about 1 death every four or five sorties, almost all of them to pilot wounds suffered when flak hit the port wing. P*ssed me off no end that the Mossie pilot seems to extend that far into the radiators.
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An update on my earlier table, now showing the relation between deaths by puffy and deaths by enemy plane's, thus showing my total combat losses. Losses due to disco or operateor screwup (afk flying into the ground) not included.
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/Luschestratext_zps8d62715f.jpg)
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I find that utterly surprising. What kind of hits do you get? As you can see by my 117 B-29 strat runs so far, my losses to puffy in the B-29 are negligible. I don't even hesitate to fly around in the strat puffy for half an hour when systematically bombing the City itself... :headscratch:
What would bring me down was fire. A hit to the fuel and a bright orange light I quickly became. :) I would lose one in the first run, then the other on my outbound run. Now, it doesn't bother me that flak brings me down, just tends to be pricey. :)
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A hit to the fuel and a bright orange light I quickly became.
Drain CTR before arrival over target. :old:
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Drain CTR before arrival over target. :old:
And then I forgot my own advice and promptly lost my 2nd B-29 to AA fire on my 119th B-29 strat run because my CTR tank was hit :lol
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:rofl
I will have to give that a shot the next time I do it. :aok The draining of the CTR, not the flamey bit. I get that enough. :lol
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And then I forgot my own advice and promptly lost my 2nd B-29 to AA fire on my 119th B-29 strat run because my CTR tank was hit :lol
Same thing happened to me on Monday.
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Here is what we as players know about auto puffy ack, be it over CV, strats, or HQ. Once you enter in range of the guns, a box forms around your plane. It is within that box that the puffy ack is going to randomly strike. I believe it is safe to say that the more guns you're in range of the more puffy ack you'll be targeted by. I'm not sure if the size of that box changes with the size of the airplane, but I doubt it. Based on these few points here is all we need to remember while in puffy ack range:
A 109 is going to have a slightly smaller chance, in theory, to be hit by puffy ack than say a Lancaster(s). The Lancaster(s) take up more room in the "box". Not only id the 109 smaller but the it will be moving at higher speeds than the Lancaster(s) and will be out of the range of the guns faster thereby exposing themselves to puffy ack fire for less time. Less puffy ack = less chance of getting damaged. However, with both of those 2 major points being made remember that the Lancaster(s) can take a lot more damage compared to the 109 before it is adversely effected. So, pick your poison.
The only thing a plane can do to protect itself from auto puffy ack is to get out of range.
Each of the last 4 high alt (25k+) bomber missions I've been on over an enemy strat has resulted in damage to my bombers from puffy ack. Fuel tank and engine hits, mostly.
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its been a few months since i played now, but id always take b-17 and usually never go much higher then 17k. most of the time id get out with nothing more then an aux fuel hit, witch is common in a 17 to begin with, never figured out of it was average or if i was just lucky :D
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its been a few months since i played now, but id always take b-17 and usually never go much higher then 17k. most of the time id get out with nothing more then an aux fuel hit, witch is common in a 17 to begin with, never figured out of it was average or if i was just lucky :D
Seems average. It happens to me more than a few times as well. I can count on one hand how many times I've lost a 17 to the puffy over a Capital. :noid