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Title: Burma Spitfires
Post by: zack1234 on February 16, 2013, 03:46:35 AM
According to the BBC the search has been called off.

And it was a myth about them being Buried  :old:
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Bruv119 on February 16, 2013, 04:57:26 AM
hmmm they still might be buried elsewhere but this is what you get when you believe senile old men like you  :lol

not impressed with the BBC's photoshop of a clipped wing spit being labelled as elliptical.   :old:
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: zack1234 on February 16, 2013, 04:58:47 AM
What I am having for tea tonight Bruv?

And where is my £5000? :cry
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: thrila on February 16, 2013, 07:45:24 AM
i think i heard bruv say something about a knuckle sandwich :D
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: mbailey on February 16, 2013, 08:01:49 AM
Dear lord.......epic fail...check out the title    (http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/facepalm_anim_test-05_zps9afd69ad.gif)

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/02/16/global-video-gaming-company-that-backed-search-for-wwii-fighter-jets-says-no/
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Lusche on February 16, 2013, 08:42:06 AM
Dear lord.......epic fail...check out the title


 :huh  :rofl
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: pipz on February 16, 2013, 08:42:34 AM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
 No there are no WW2 jets here. Just some rusty old propeller planes. Throw the dirt back in...........
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Wmaker on February 16, 2013, 11:14:07 AM
One view on the matter:

http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/3953-myanmar-s-phantom-spitfires-how-a-legend-was-born.html (http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/3953-myanmar-s-phantom-spitfires-how-a-legend-was-born.html)
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Guppy35 on February 16, 2013, 01:12:15 PM
I'm waiting on one very reliable Spitfire source to say this hunt is dead.  He hasn't yet, so he must believe there was some truth to the story.  He has no investment in promoting the idea, but has been on the ground there in Burma a number of times for Spitfire stuff.

The game designers got the publicity they wanted.  It doesn't appear they were in it for more then that.  While this has been a fairly recently visible story, the actual hunt has gone on for close to two decades.
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Krusty on February 16, 2013, 01:23:28 PM
That alone makes me wonder, though. Hell, it didn't take that long to find Glacier Girl, and she was inside the middle of a freaking icecap!

Plus, wood or not, burried in a humid muddy soild would yield a pile of metalic rust by now. Especially if, as in the one recounting, they sank into the mud and were lost.

Honestly, when I read it some months back I was a bit hopeful, but highly dubious. Now? After that well reasoned article, I have doubts they ever existed.
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: icepac on February 16, 2013, 07:31:12 PM
Dug up and sold for scrap a few months ago by local tribal chieftans?
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: BaldEagl on February 16, 2013, 10:18:21 PM
One view on the matter:

http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/3953-myanmar-s-phantom-spitfires-how-a-legend-was-born.html (http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/3953-myanmar-s-phantom-spitfires-how-a-legend-was-born.html)

Good article.
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: palef on February 17, 2013, 12:13:08 AM
That alone makes me wonder, though. Hell, it didn't take that long to find Glacier Girl, and she was inside the middle of a freaking icecap!

Plus, wood or not, burried in a humid muddy soild would yield a pile of metalic rust by now. Especially if, as in the one recounting, they sank into the mud and were lost.

Honestly, when I read it some months back I was a bit hopeful, but highly dubious. Now? After that well reasoned article, I have doubts they ever existed.

Depends on how oxygen rich the swamp water is.
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Krusty on February 17, 2013, 12:32:06 AM
It wasn't a peat bog, if that's what you mean :P

Even in situations where there's only moderate moisture in the soil, it's not just oxygen. It's bacteria and parasites and worms and all those other micro-organisms which cause the decomposition of wood and other materials. They tend (more times than not) to thrive in moist soil. Couple that with a humid tropical climate and a time span of 60 years and you're only speeding up deterioration of anything that's underground.
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Grendel on February 17, 2013, 04:20:57 AM
That alone makes me wonder, though. Hell, it didn't take that long to find Glacier Girl, and she was inside the middle of a freaking icecap!

"But the abandoned planes of the Lost Squadron were not forgotten, and between 1977 and 1990, eleven different teams tried and failed to find and recover the aircraft. "

"In 1988, two explorers sponsored by the Greenland Expedition Society finally found a lead." ... And then they finally found the planes in 1990.

Yup, not that long. Only 13 years and 11 different search teams.

g
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Krusty on February 17, 2013, 06:17:54 AM
Okay, bad example. I didn't remember that correctly. I was thinking only of the team that found her, not all the previous teams.
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: nrshida on February 17, 2013, 07:57:23 AM
Plus, wood or not, burried in a humid muddy soild would yield a pile of metalic rust by now.

There would be very little rust.

Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Krusty on February 17, 2013, 02:17:55 PM
There would be very little rust.

What makes you say that?
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: nrshida on February 17, 2013, 02:43:21 PM
What makes you say that?

Because aeroplanes aren't flying cars dingleberry  :old:

Rust requires water, oxygen and ferrite and there isn't very much ferrite in Spitfire. Mostly it's just confined to selected engine parts. Silicon and magnesium alloys oxidise but that's different.


Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Krusty on February 17, 2013, 03:21:03 PM
You're being too literal.

By rust I meant corrode, oxidize, deteriorate. We know this to happen even when WW2 planes weren't burried in wet soil.

For a minute I thought you might know some special packing method which prevented it, but I was waiting to see what you had to say before getting into that.
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: nrshida on February 17, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
You're being too literal.

By rust I meant corrode, oxidize, deteriorate. We know this to happen even when WW2 planes weren't burried in wet soil.


Not literal, accurate. I notice with interest that once again you become defensive and reframe the discussion instead of taking the opportunity to accept knowledge and learn something in good faith.


For a minute I thought you might know some special packing method which prevented it, but I was waiting to see what you had to say before getting into that.

I do. Exclude one of those three components I listed above, like the Spitfire found in the Irish bog (no oxygen). They just recharged the battery, refuelled it and flew it away.  :old:



Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Krusty on February 17, 2013, 05:30:34 PM
Not literal, accurate. I notice with interest that once again you become defensive and reframe the discussion instead of taking the opportunity to accept knowledge and learn something in good faith.

And I notice more of your patented roadkill. I am not defensive and I am not reframing jack toejam. You were taking "rust" to be too literal. You were trying to nitpick some finer point and single it out as an excuse to throw insults my way. This is common with many of your posts.

I do. Exclude one of those three components I listed above, like the Spitfire found in the Irish bog (no oxygen). They just recharged the battery, refuelled it and flew it away.  :old:

Now, if I was going to act like YOU I'd try to throw insults at you for even making such a comment, but I'm not. And I"m not taking you too literally. Rather 2-faced of you to act so literal in one line (to the point of verbal assault) then in the next turn around and take an exaggerated stance. You're either bipolar or trolling. In either case, I'm not biting the stinky bait.
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: nrshida on February 17, 2013, 06:14:55 PM
And I notice more of your patented roadkill. I am not defensive and I am not reframing jack toejam. You were taking "rust" to be too literal. You were trying to nitpick some finer point and single it out as an excuse to throw insults my way. This is common with many of your posts.


You didn't know did you, the difference between rust, corrosion and oxidisation? Rusty aeroplanes  :rolleyes:  Your technical knowledge knows no start does it  :D


Now, if I was going to act like YOU I'd try to throw insults at you for even making such a comment...

...You're either bipolar or trolling. In either case, I'm not biting the stinky bait.

...and more classic Krusty, avoid explicitly breaking the rules while still sneaking in your retaliatory insult. Excellent.





Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: Bodhi on February 17, 2013, 06:25:47 PM
Krusty, are you always a victim? 
Title: Re: Burma Spitfires
Post by: BaldEagl on February 17, 2013, 11:43:15 PM
Now, if I was going to act like YOU I'd try to throw insults at you for even making such a comment, but I'm not. And I"m not taking you too literally. Rather 2-faced of you to act so literal in one line (to the point of verbal assault) then in the next turn around and take an exaggerated stance. You're either bipolar or trolling. In either case, I'm not biting the stinky bait.

 :headscratch: