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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Mister Fork on February 19, 2013, 09:16:52 AM
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I was running Aces High using triple monitors for a while and then my second SLI video card took a dump and I had to RMA it.
When I ran my SLI setup through the NVIDIA control panel, it all went fine - I have 3 BEN-Q 1080p monitors - all the same. I select the "Span" option to go across three monitors... the first two sync up left, centre, and then the third monitor goes "Out of Range".
What?
Anyone else experience this? I'm about to loose my nut getting this setup to work properly.
[rant]I consider myself a fairly good IT properller head. Actually, I've been custom building gaming PC's for 25 years now. But this sheit has me banging my head against the wall. WHY WHY WHY is tripple monitoring so bloody hard with these stupid stupid machines? Why doesn't it just work. Turn key. Poof. It's on. But no. Ooohhhh no. Or is it just NVIDIA blows at it?[/rant]
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I was running Aces High using triple monitors for a while and then my second SLI video card took a dump and I had to RMA it.
When I ran my SLI setup through the NVIDIA control panel, it all went fine - I have 3 BEN-Q 1080p monitors - all the same. I select the "Span" option to go across three monitors... the first two sync up left, centre, and then the third monitor goes "Out of Range".
What?
Anyone else experience this? I'm about to loose my nut getting this setup to work properly.
[rant]I consider myself a fairly good IT properller head. Actually, I've been custom building gaming PC's for 25 years now. But this sheit has me banging my head against the wall. WHY WHY WHY is tripple monitoring so bloody hard with these stupid stupid machines? Why doesn't it just work. Turn key. Poof. It's on. But no. Ooohhhh no. Or is it just NVIDIA blows at it?[/rant]
Yep, Nvidia makes it much harder than AMD.
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What type of connectors are you using on your monitors, nvidea only allows similar connections, ie HDMI and DVI, or all VGA you cannot mix VGA and DVI due to the different speeds they are sending the signal.
I have 3 ACER 24's with 2 on HDMI and one on a DVI to HDMI conversion.
if you have any problems I can always guide you through total hook up.
LawnDart
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I have two HDMI connections and a DVI. Strange enough the HDMI and the DVI works fine but the HDMI on the second SLI card is causing the issue. I may have a work-around and I'll post it if I can get it to work... it involves pre-setting the frequency (which is stupid for LED monitors) but it's also a KNOWN issue for NVIDIA cards.
What have I learned from this? If you want to use two video cards in SLI/CROSSFIRE, DONT...DONT go NVIDIA. Use AMD/ATI.
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mister fork I have never been able to connect all 3 monitors using a mix of hdmi and dvi. try not using any hdmi cables and see if that fixes your problem. lawndart on the other hand has no problems. since there's no difference other than sound and I am pretty sure you wont use the monitor's speakers then just dont use hdmi.
btw amd uses crossfire. nvidia uses sli.
Yep, Nvidia makes it much harder than AMD.
great contribution to solving the problem. I kinda thought you would suggest than using win8 would have solved all his problems, after all it's only 40 bucks.
midway
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great contribution to solving the problem. I kinda thought you would suggest than using win8 would have solved all his problems, after all it's only 40 bucks.
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I don't use Nvidia but I know multi-monitor with it is much, much harder than AMD. Quit whining about Win8 please, it's the future and you're lagging behind.
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I don't use Nvidia but I know multi-monitor with it is much, much harder than AMD. Quit whining about Win8 please, it's the future and you're lagging behind.
so you know nothing about nvidia.
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so you know nothing about nvidia.
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I know enough to know that Nvidia multi-monitor setup is much more complicated than AMD Eyefinity.
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Mr Ripley using Nvidea 99% of the time using the triple monitor isn't that hard to set up, plug in then click a few buttons then you are finished. Now if inwasnto switch to an AMD video card I think I would be totally lost as what to do. I appreciate that you admit knowing little about Nvidea cards, as I know shack jit about AMD.
The earlier card variants were a pain in the butt to set up but they have gotten a lot easier. As I restated earlier if I need to I can post help for the OP.
LawnDart
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Mr Ripley using Nvidea 99% of the time using the triple monitor isn't that hard to set up, plug in then click a few buttons then you are finished. Now if inwasnto switch to an AMD video card I think I would be totally lost as what to do. I appreciate that you admit knowing little about Nvidea cards, as I know shack jit about AMD.
The earlier card variants were a pain in the butt to set up but they have gotten a lot easier. As I restated earlier if I need to I can post help for the OP.
LawnDart
Just a little while back Nvidia required two displaycards for a triple monitor setup lol. The fact that the OP has problems with it is a testament to its complexity.
Here's a quick guide on the setup: http://www.geforce.com/optimize/guides/how-to-correctly-configure-geforce-gtx-680-surround#1
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<snip>Quit whining about Win8 please, it's the future and you're lagging behind.
Hehe, that's what Ford said about the Edsel. Then again, everyone has their own opinion. It does not make yours anymore correct than his or vice-versa.
And yes, AMD has done a better job with support for multiple monitors than NVidia has.
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Hehe, that's what Ford said about the Edsel. Then again, everyone has their own opinion. It does not make yours anymore correct than his or vice-versa.
And yes, AMD has done a better job with support for multiple monitors than NVidia has.
Pardon me, Sir, but I am correct in saying that Win8 is the future and no amount of whining is going to change it. Not by my choice but Microsofts. Especially needless is to whine here about my sayings in a completely separate thread.
Just look at Vista - it was globally hated on it's time but there it still is. Many people still use it and it came out as a refined version (Win7) instead of disappearing in the myst. I'm afraid that the 'modern UI' is here to stay. Microsoft actually has taken big steps 'forward' in this department by unifying all application development (meaning no more mobile 8).
Also quite ironically Windows8 DOES make multi-monitor easyer and better: http://www.neowin.net/news/huge-multi-monitor-enhancements-coming-in-windows-8
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Pardon me, Sir, but I am correct in saying that Win8 is the future and no amount of whining is going to change it. Not by my choice but Microsofts. Especially needless is to whine here about my sayings in a completely separate thread.
Just look at Vista - it was globally hated on it's time but there it still is. Many people still use it and it came out as a refined version (Win7) instead of disappearing in the myst. I'm afraid that the 'modern UI' is here to stay. Microsoft actually has taken big steps 'forward' in this department by unifying all application development (meaning no more mobile 8).
lol, there goes ripley swallowing the marketing propaganda again...
win8 is not "the future", at best it's a preview of what may come. although win8 has been better out of the box than all of its predecessors, it's still a testament to the long standing microsoft philosophy of "nobody cares if it actually works as long as it looks pretty". as long as i have a touch screen thingamajigabob doodlewhatsit that doesn't require any more thought than a 12 year old kid can muster then it's better than ice cream. but that's all it is good for.
your example of widblowz8 multi-monitor setup doesn't illustrate anything "easier" nor "better". it's just more mac like than previous windblowz and does nothing to make more than 2 monitor setups easier.
i'm surprised no one has asked mister fork exactly what video card(s) he has in his system, or is that common knowledge?
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lol, there goes ripley swallowing the marketing propaganda again...
win8 is not "the future", at best it's a preview of what may come. although win8 has been better out of the box than all of its predecessors, it's still a testament to the long standing microsoft philosophy of "nobody cares if it actually works as long as it looks pretty". as long as i have a touch screen thingamajigabob doodlewhatsit that doesn't require any more thought than a 12 year old kid can muster then it's better than ice cream. but that's all it is good for.
your example of widblowz8 multi-monitor setup doesn't illustrate anything "easier" nor "better". it's just more mac like than previous windblowz and does nothing to make more than 2 monitor setups easier.
i'm surprised no one has asked mister fork exactly what video card(s) he has in his system, or is that common knowledge?
How wrong you are. Windows 8 is the current release version - nothing marketing about it. And multi-monitor support is indeed better - or did you miss the new functionality with the task bars and backgrounds for example? Keep on hating, you only show your own ignorance.
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How wrong you are. Windows 8 is the current release version - nothing marketing about it. And multi-monitor support is indeed better - or did you miss the new functionality with the task bars and backgrounds for example? Keep on hating, you only show your own ignorance.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl thanks again for the laughs ripley...
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl thanks again for the laughs ripley...
Laugh all you want. Now point out the flaws in my post. Again, waiting...
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Laugh all you want. Now point out the flaws in my post. Again, waiting...
ok i'll play your silly game...
where to start...
How wrong you are. Windows 8 is the current release version - nothing marketing about it. And multi-monitor support is indeed better - or did you miss the new functionality with the task bars and backgrounds for example? Keep on hating, you only show your own ignorance.
oh wait...THE ENTIRE DIATRIBE
you obviously did not comprehend "more mac like" and "does nothing to make more than 2 monitor setups easier"...try again.
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ok i'll play your silly game...
where to start...oh wait...THE ENTIRE DIATRIBE
you obviously did not comprehend "more mac like" and "does nothing to make more than 2 monitor setups easier"...try again.
Ok so you failed to point any flaw in it. Thank you and go along to play on your level now.
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aaaannnd again...
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl thanks again for the laughs ripley...
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See Rule #4
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Windows 8 happens to be what is available at the moment. Calling it the "future" is an opinion. I recall people stating Windows 3 was the future, as was Windows 98, as was Windows XP and so on.
All I can hope for is Microsoft realizes what a stupid user interface Windows 8 is for the desktop and correct the problem. There are far better ways to do both mobile and desktop if your goal is to only have one user interface.
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Windows 8 happens to be what is available at the moment. Calling it the "future" is your opinion. I recall people stating Windows 3 was the future, as was Windows 98, as was Windows XP and so on.
All I can hope for is Microsoft realizes what a stupid user interface Windows 8 is for the desktop and correct the problem. There are far better ways to do both mobile and desktop if your goal is to only have one user interface.
Exactly. Windows 8 is the current release version and that's it. Windows 98 was the future untill XP came along (well, there WAS ME which was widely adopted but pretty much forgotten of course). And XP was the future for quite many years despite all the haters when it was released. So it goes.
Most we can do is hope the giant will change directions - but untill that happens we have little chances but to adapt. New computers are no longer sold with Win7.
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Just because Win8 is what they're pushing NOW doesn't make it "the future" -- at best it's akin to vista (and same team that did Vista did Win8), a messy roadkill-esque bump on the road to the future. It isn't the future, though.
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Just because Win8 is what they're pushing NOW doesn't make it "the future" -- at best it's akin to vista (and same team that did Vista did Win8), a messy roadkill-esque bump on the road to the future. It isn't the future, though.
But dear friend, Vista is exactly what you're grasping to right now. It was just tweaked a bit to become Win7.
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Exactly. Windows 8 is the current release version and that's it. Windows 98 was the future untill XP came along (well, there WAS ME which was widely adopted but pretty much forgotten of course). And XP was the future for quite many years despite all the haters when it was released. So it goes.
that's not what you said...
Pardon me, Sir, but I am correct in saying that Win8 is the future and no amount of whining is going to change it.
now you're saying it's not the future? so...which is it?
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Exactly. Windows 8 is the current release version and that's it. Windows 98 was the future untill XP came along (well, there WAS ME which was widely adopted but pretty much forgotten of course). And XP was the future for quite many years despite all the haters when it was released. So it goes.
If you accept what is given, without challenge, then you serve to propagate the bad and the good with equal fervor. That is unacceptable to me. You may chose to accept it, and that is fine, but it gives no justification to berate those who demand better.
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that's not what you said...
now you're saying it's not the future? so...which is it?
Ehh? Reading comprehension please. Windows 8 is the future because it is the current release version and you can't get ANYTHING else to a new computer at the moment and in the near future.
Microsoft has not reacted in any way to the whines about the new UI, quite the opposite they merged mobile and desktop development to further solidify it. There is no change promised or even visible right now.
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Ehh? Reading comprehension please. Windows 8 is the future because it is the current release version and you can't get ANYTHING else to a new computer at the moment and in the near future.
Microsoft has not reacted in any way to the whines about the new UI, quite the opposite they merged mobile and desktop development to further solidify it. There is no change promised or even visible right now.
Actually you can still get Windows 7, from some companies. The only reason you cannot still get Windows 98, or Windows XP, or whatever flavor operating system you want, is because Microsoft will not allow it. It has nothing to do with something better coming along. It is licensing matter.
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If you accept what is given, without challenge, then you serve to propagate the bad and the good with equal fervor. That is unacceptable to me. You may chose to accept it, and that is fine, but it gives no justification to berate those who demand better.
I accept it because I know nothing is going to change no matter what kind of hissy fit I through about it. I can always protest by moving to competing platform and that's what I've done exactly. As long as you choose to be tied to the Microsofts leash you really can't complain.
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Actually you can still get Windows 7, from some companies.
Not in a new OEM computer - unless you're a business customer. Also separate OS sales are getting very scarce.
And you're right - nothing but Microsoft stops that. That however is pretty much all that's needed lol. If MS chooses to quit activating our old copies of Windows there's no legal remedy for that.
It's not entirely Microsofts doing either. I wouldn't even dream trying to install 2013 hardware on Windows XP anymore. The driver support just isn't there anymore.
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I accept it because I know nothing is going to change no matter what kind of hissy fit I through about it. I can always protest by moving to competing platform and that's what I've done exactly. As long as you choose to be tied to the Microsofts leash you really can't complain.
One can also protest by not purchasing Windows 8, at all. No need to throw a "hissy fit".
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One can also protest by not purchasing Windows 8, at all. No need to throw a "hissy fit".
In theory true but in practice its getting very hard. Consumers really have no choice - they will need to accept the current release as a preinstall.
And anyone else will also need to get a new OS unless they have stocked up on old versions. I considered on buying a couple of Win7 full retail versions for the future but after testing Win8 I decided it's simply not worth the money or trouble. For me the 40 dollar deal was a no brainer to get a legal working OS to my new gaming box.
The fact is that people hate change. Did you folks already forget how many times XP end of life was moved back because Vista/Win7 were supposedly so bad? :D Now everyone is raging to get to keep Win7. Did you folks already forget what kind of hate XP got when it got released and everyone were sticking to their Win9x? :)
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The difference between Vista and 7 is about the same as the difference between 95SE and 98.
Nobody was griping about 7 like they were about vista. There was a big difference between the two.
As for the "in practice it's getting very hard" -- Bzzt! Wrong! Why do you think XP's life was pushed back? Becuase everybody refused, en masse, to buy Vista. MS was forcing it on everyone, everywhere, and everyone, everywhere, was revolting and rolling it back to XP. From the individual user on up to massive corporations.
So "not buying it" DOES work, and as recently as a couple years ago it influenced MS into $#!^canning vista and ... let's say "fixing it" and releasing win7.
It wasn't that long ago. And it worked. It forced MS into changing their ways. Here's hoping it works again and Win8 goes the way of the dodo.
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Vista continues to be a very bad operating system. There are design issues, with that operating system, which cannot be fixed.
When Windows 7 first came out, there were a lot of problems (it only took 6 months for there to be more that 100 updates available). Even after SP1 for Windows 7, there is still over 100 updates available for a fresh installation.
But, it is a now, finally, getting stable. There are still a number of compatibility problems with older software packages that will never be solved, but that list is getting shorter as replacements are released to run under Windows 7. Drivers are pretty stable as well.
This is the way it is with any Microsoft OS.
It is not difficult to vote with your wallet, but it is easier not to do so.
Unfortunately, I feel (yes, it is an opinion) Microsoft is going to continue to force a Windows 8 type of product on the end user from now on.
If that opinion turns to fact, then Windows 7 will be the last Microsoft OS I ever own. Fortunately, most of the applications I need to run are all being migrated to Linux. Here's hoping.
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Not in a new OEM computer - unless you're a business customer. Also separate OS sales are getting very scarce.
And you're right - nothing but Microsoft stops that. That however is pretty much all that's needed lol. If MS chooses to quit activating our old copies of Windows there's no legal remedy for that.
It's not entirely Microsofts doing either. I wouldn't even dream trying to install 2013 hardware on Windows XP anymore. The driver support just isn't there anymore.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
70 bucks for the basic win7 64bit and they have plenty left. what is hard to get is brand name computers with win 7 as they have all switched to win8. as for the companies that buld custom computers they all still have win7 as an option. I dont think win7 is going to disappear next week from the shelves.
midway
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We'll be able to get Windows 7 in new shrink wrap from online stores for a long long time. Windows 8 will be an OS that I skip. I may also do like Skuzzy and make Windows 7 my last Windows OS. Or I may use it for 10 years like I did with Windows XP. Or eight years like I did with Windows 2000. For the record, I also skipped ME and Vista. Never used either of them. Not once, on any PC, at work or home or at school. They were trash. Windows 8 is not inevitable, not the future. The only chance I use Windows 8 will be if I buy a Windows Phone, and I doubt that will happen (no user removable battery).
As for every Windows interface since Windows 2000, which was the ultimate and best Windows interface of all time, all I have to say is that I'll never have to learn a new Windows interface again:
http://www.classicshell.net
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Being able to buy 7 doesn't change the fact that Win8 works perfectly fine as a gaming OS.
It's funny how many people are here with opinnions but nobody could give me even one technical problem that would stop Win8 from being a successful gaming (or even all round) OS. The user interface is ridiculously simple to learn once you learn the 'right click in the left lower corner' trick, the press 'win' to search and where to open the charms bar.
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Being able to buy 7 doesn't change the fact that Win8 works perfectly fine as a gaming OS.
It's funny how many people are here with opinnions but nobody could give me even one technical problem that would stop Win8 from being a successful gaming (or even all round) OS. The user interface is ridiculously simple to learn once you learn the 'right click in the left lower corner' trick, the press 'win' to search and where to open the charms bar.
so first you claim that you cannot buy anything else other than win8, now you claim that you can buy something other than win8. are you even keeping track of your claims? man you are making me look like a computer wizard.
Ehh? Reading comprehension please. Windows 8 is the future because it is the current release version and you can't get ANYTHING else to a new computer at the moment and in the near future.
Microsoft has not reacted in any way to the whines about the new UI, quite the opposite they merged mobile and desktop development to further solidify it. There is no change promised or even visible right now.
midway
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so first you claim that you cannot buy anything else other than win8, now you claim that you can buy something other than win8. are you even keeping track of your claims? man you are making me look like a computer wizard.
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You can't get new (OEM) computers anymore with anything else than Win8 like I said. FACT. Windows 7 is slowly but surely disappearing from the shelves of stores. Brick and mortar stores already have removed it from the inventory. FACT. And contrary to your hopes I'm not making you look like a wizard, quite the opposite :)
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You can't get new (OEM) computers anymore with anything else than Win8 like I said. FACT. <snip>
That is not true. The company my Wife works for just bought a bunch of Windows 7 computers from Dell.
Yes, it will become more difficult to get Windows 7, as time goes on. The current official date which Microsoft drops support for Windows 7 is sometime in 2016. I expect that date will move.
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That is not true. The company my Wife works for just bought a bunch of Windows 7 computers from Dell.
I was talking about consumers obviously, not businesses. For businesses product life is always extended.
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Places like NewEgg and up here in Western Canada Memory Express, which cater to the built it yourself, and in the latter's case the gaming community still sell Win 7. I just ordered 3 custom systems from them, had them assemble them for 50$ and install the OS/drivers with every current update included for that price, and each of them have Win 7 installed.
I hear what you're saying regarding the HP and ACER types of "on the shelf" PC's for average Joe, most if not all of the ones I've seen have Win 8. That said, saying Win 8 "works just fine for gaming" is just that..."just fine". I won't bother linking the dozens of articles for and against Win 8 as it pertains to the gaming market. One person of note, Gabe Newell, who runs Valve/Steam stated 'I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC gaming space'. I realize this is just one person's opinion, but it's echoed from a lot of others in the gaming community. You don't have to look far for others bashing it.
Myself, I was essentially forced to upgrade my home theater PC to Windows 8. Luckily, the 3 aforementioned systems each came with an upgrade coupon valid until the end of this month to get the 250$ Win 8 pro for 14.95$, so at least I didn't get the good old Microsoft scam price, it was cheap. The reason for this is that my ISP is one of those that is using Netflix's new portal for their "Super HD" content, which streams at 5800 kb/s as opposed to the regular 1700, and while not blu-ray quality, it is noticeably better than 720P broadcast TV level HD. In order to use this service however, if you're using a PC for netflix, you HAVE to use the new Netflix "app" from...you guessed it...the new Windows 8 super duper application store! Which, btw, is NOT available for Windows 7. Yes, you can use a Boxee, or Apple HD TV box, or even a PS3 for "Super HD" from Netflix, but those are really the only other options other than a couple manufacturers smart TV's with wi-fi Netflix capability (I have one of these too, a Samsung 40" 120hz LED). However the point is I WANT to be using my PC for ease of Netflix use and all the other videos I have on it for my theater room with my HD projector, not some crappy alternative. Microsoft and Netflix both are getting a lot of pushback from their users who want a Win 7 solution for this new content, but it isn't going to happen they say. Typical.
As for the OP, which is far flung from this topic I posted on, sorry Ed, if you want any help shoot me a PM. I'm running sli 680's on 3 monitors, and it was a little more finicky to set up than with the 7970 X-fire solution, but the performance is 5/6 and pick em between the two for the games I primarily use, and doing it over would probably = 2 7970 cards or the single 690 card or 6gig 7970 Toxic single card.
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Places like NewEgg and up here in Western Canada Memory Express, which cater to the built it yourself, and in the latter's case the gaming community still sell Win 7. I just ordered 3 custom systems from them, had them assemble them for 50$ and install the OS/drivers with every current update included for that price, and each of them have Win 7 installed.
I hear what you're saying regarding the HP and ACER types of "on the shelf" PC's for average Joe, most if not all of the ones I've seen have Win 8. That said, saying Win 8 "works just fine for gaming" is just that..."just fine". I won't bother linking the dozens of articles for and against Win 8 as it pertains to the gaming market. One person of note, Gabe Newell, who runs Valve/Steam stated 'I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC gaming space'. I realize this is just one person's opinion, but it's echoed from a lot of others in the gaming community. You don't have to look far for others bashing it.
Myself, I was essentially forced to upgrade my home theater PC to Windows 8. Luckily, the 3 aforementioned systems each came with an upgrade coupon valid until the end of this month to get the 250$ Win 8 pro for 14.95$, so at least I didn't get the good old Microsoft scam price, it was cheap. The reason for this is that my ISP is one of those that is using Netflix's new portal for their "Super HD" content, which streams at 5800 kb/s as opposed to the regular 1700, and while not blu-ray quality, it is noticeably better than 720P broadcast TV level HD. In order to use this service however, if you're using a PC for netflix, you HAVE to use the new Netflix "app" from...you guessed it...the new Windows 8 super duper application store! Which, btw, is NOT available for Windows 7. Yes, you can use a Boxee, or Apple HD TV box, or even a PS3 for "Super HD" from Netflix, but those are really the only other options other than a couple manufacturers smart TV's with wi-fi Netflix capability (I have one of these too, a Samsung 40" 120hz LED). However the point is I WANT to be using my PC for ease of Netflix use and all the other videos I have on it for my theater room with my HD projector, not some crappy alternative. Microsoft and Netflix both are getting a lot of pushback from their users who want a Win 7 solution for this new content, but it isn't going to happen they say. Typical.
As for the OP, which is far flung from this topic I posted on, sorry Ed, if you want any help shoot me a PM. I'm running sli 680's on 3 monitors, and it was a little more finicky to set up than with the 7970 X-fire solution, but the performance is 5/6 and pick em between the two for the games I primarily use, and doing it over would probably = 2 7970 cards or the single 690 card or 6gig 7970 Toxic single card.
Gabe Newell thinks Win8 is a catastrophe for _his_ industry because it contains a competing application store and they're scared poopless about Microsofts venture in their playfield. They're dead scared about the move to signed code only distribution through MS app store which would mean giving a 30% royalty to Microsoft along with having to adhere to their distribution rules.
If you see all these articles more closely _none_ of them go into any details as to _why_ windows 8 would be bad for gaming. In fact all benchmarks and user tests point the exact opposite - Windows 8 has been found to perform equally well or better compared to Windows 7. For the first time in Windows history you now have a working 'sleep' which wakes up in 1 second. You have drastically improved bootup times etc. If they didn't mess with the user interface there would be little question that Windows 8 isn't the best windows release ever.
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I have posted all the reasons why I detest Windows 8, more than once. Kind of over it now. People are going to do what they want, regardless of the long term impact it might have.
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He seems to just ignore any comment he disagrees with Skuzzy. Not worth it to correct him anymore. I know *I* stopped replying to him.
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He seems to just ignore any comment he disagrees with Skuzzy. Not worth it to correct him anymore. I know *I* stopped replying to him.
I ignore the comments when they're clearly misinformed. None of you have given not even one technical reason why Windows 8 would 'suck' as a gaming platform, Skuzzy included. All the benchmarks point the exact opposite so I'm now waiting for someone to come up with at least SOME proof that their point is right.
Skuzzys reason to detest windows 8 are purely political. He doesn't agree to the direction their development is going to and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't agree with it either - but I'm not going to get all Don Quijote over it. There are alternative OSes if and when MS drops the ball completely. Heck there are even the consoles to turn to if Win blows completely. Naturally Hitech Creations cannot think in this way and things would get pretty complicated for them if Windows would cease to work as a gaming platform.
In the mean time I'm enjoying the smooth operation of the Win8 and find it pretty refreshing actually. The live tiles in the start screen are a nice addition and if I would use Windows as my primary platform I'm sure I would customize it beyond the news, weather etc. it displays as a default. It's actually pretty funny that Win8 tiles have much of the same things I've customized my linux desktop to show :)
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My reasons for not wanting to use Windows 8 have nothing to do with politics. My reasons are virtually all technically based. Other reasons have to do with personal choices.
Personally, my Windows 7 system blows Windows 8 out of the water in all areas, even in gaming. It even matches the boot speed of Windows 8. The memory foot print is also smaller on my system than with Windows 8.
I can also launch my applications faster in Windows 7 (one keystroke, + one mouse click) than in Windows 8.
Even with a touch screen desktop, it is still slower to launch in Windows 8.
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My reasons for not wanting to use Windows 8 have nothing to do with politics. My reasons are virtually all technically based. Other reasons have to do with personal choices.
Personally, my Windows 7 system blows Windows 8 out of the water in all areas, even in gaming. It even matches the boot speed of Windows 8. The memory foot print is also smaller on my system than with Windows 8.
I can also launch my applications faster in Windows 7 (one keystroke, + one mouse click) than in Windows 8.
Even with a touch screen desktop, it is still slower to launch in Windows 8.
I'm sure you could give out some technical examples as to why Windows 8 couldn't easily match and better your boot speeds after the amount of tweaking you've had in the 7. The fact that Windows 8 boots as fast as your super tweaked 7 out of the box is a huge statement in itself!
It's not enough to give vague throws, give some exact examples. By the way you can launch your apps with 1 mouse click in windows 8 just as easily.
Tomshardware benchmarked the very early Win8 version (with immature drivers) against the 7 and found it to match the performance with only 1 game title causing problems (81fps vs 86fps) on 1 graphics card. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html
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I'm sure you could give out some technical examples as to why Windows 8 couldn't easily match and better your boot speeds after the amount of tweaking you've had in the 7. The fact that Windows 8 boots as fast as your super tweaked 7 out of the box is a huge statement in itself!
Yes, it is a statement to how poor of a job Microsoft actually does with their operating systems.
It's not enough to give vague throws, give some exact examples. By the way you can launch your apps with 1 mouse click in windows 8 just as easily.
Examples of what?
Every application I have installed and every utility that installs with the operating system, can be started with a single mouse click, or by a single keystroke followed by a mouse click.
Tomshardware benchmarked the very early Win8 version (with immature drivers) against the 7 and found it to match the performance with only 1 game title causing problems (81fps vs 86fps) on 1 graphics card. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html
Immature drivers? Why would that happen? The Windows 7 video card drivers work with Windows 8. The only real difference is Windows 8 drivers are signed for Windows 8. Even Microsoft states the drivers are the same.
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Yes, it is a statement to how poor of a job Microsoft actually does with their operating systems.
I don't follow your logic. So you're saying now that Windows 7 sucks because you had to tweak it in order to make it boot as fast as Windows8 does - and by this logic Windows8 now sucks? :joystick:
Examples of what?
Examples of technical reasons as to why Windows 8 would do a worse job than Windows 7 as a gaming box. It benchmarks the same or better - so why in your opinnion it wouldn't work just as well with games?
Every application I have installed and every utility that installs with the operating system, can be started with a single mouse click, or by a single keystroke followed by a mouse click.
And this hasn't disappeared anywhere with Windows 8.
Immature drivers? Why would that happen? The Windows 7 video card drivers work with Windows 8. The only real difference is Windows 8 drivers are signed for Windows 8. Even Microsoft states the drivers are the same.
There is a difference with 'working' and 'built for'. For some reason graphics driver versions differ between Windows 7 and 8. Why would there be a 'beta' driver for Windows 8 if the only difference was the signing? And if the two operating systems really are so similar at core level, return to the original question: Why do you say Windows8 wouldn't work as a gaming machine?
Are you saying that there is no technical obstacle but only the principle against the EULA change and the new UI? Because that's how it's starting to look like.
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Skuzz i love my Windows 8 gaming machine but i was already totally hooked a year ago on my WindowsPhone.
Windows 8 is made for three devices in mind like no other OS does.
Although it is clear to me u have way more knowlegde than me and sure u boosted up your W7 platform but is that realistic for common users?
Why wouldnt you do the same tricks in W8 ?
All Operating systems do update and i completely understand the vision with MS doing this The Metro style is absolute the most beautiful UI.
I will not say blindly perfect but within a year or 2 common buissness.
And W7 forgotten.
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So in the next patch i expect a live tile who updates my statistics and shows that my squaddies are in the Arena.
Lets get into 2013 ;)
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I don't follow your logic. So you're saying now that Windows 7 sucks because you had to tweak it in order to make it boot as fast as Windows8 does - and by this logic Windows8 now sucks? :joystick:
If Microsoft had done a decent job configuring Windows 7, it would boot as fast as Windows 8 does. The fact that it can be done says Microsoft did a poor job.
Examples of technical reasons as to why Windows 8 would do a worse job than Windows 7 as a gaming box. It benchmarks the same or better - so why in your opinnion it wouldn't work just as well with games?
I do not believe I have ever said Windows 8 could not run games as well as Windows 7.
And this hasn't disappeared anywhere with Windows 8.
You cannot understand this particular aspect without me giving away design details. As I have been saying all along, the UI for Windows 8 is a poor implementation compared to what could have been done, for the desktop and mobile.
There is a difference with 'working' and 'built for'. For some reason graphics driver versions differ between Windows 7 and 8. Why would there be a 'beta' driver for Windows 8 if the only difference was the signing? And if the two operating systems really are so similar at core level, return to the original question: Why do you say Windows8 wouldn't work as a gaming machine?
I never have said Windows 8 would not work for games. Never. Microsoft has stated the video drivers for Windows 7 and Windows 8 are the same drivers. The only difference is the Windows 8 drivers have been verified under Windows 8.
Are you saying that there is no technical obstacle but only the principle against the EULA change and the new UI? Because that's how it's starting to look like.
No, I am not saying that at all. There are problems with Windows 8, but there are problems with all Microsoft operating systems. If you want to ignore all the bug reports Microsoft has, then you are free to do so. Asking anyone to post those bugs is really silly. Even Paul Otellini publicly stated Windows 8 was not ready to be released when it was.
Skuzz i love my Windows 8 gaming machine but i was already totally hooked a year ago on my WindowsPhone.
Windows 8 is made for three devices in mind like no other OS does.
There is a better way for the user interface to be implemented if the goal is to have one common interface across desktop and mobile platforms.
Although it is clear to me u have way more knowlegde than me and sure u boosted up your W7 platform but is that realistic for common users?
I agree, it is not realistic for the common user.
Why wouldnt you do the same tricks in W8 ?
I only did what Microsoft did for Windows 8. Although I ended up with a smaller memory footprint than they did when I was done.
All Operating systems do update and i completely understand the vision with MS doing this The Metro style is absolute the most beautiful UI.
It is a bad design in light of how much better it could have been. And that is my problem. I know it could be worlds better than it is, which drives my personal disdain for Windows 8, technical issues aside.
I will not say blindly perfect but within a year or 2 common buissness.
And W7 forgotten.
People accept the mundane all too easily. It does not make it better, or right.
I am actually not a fan of Windows 7. There are things about it that drive me nuts.
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You cannot understand this particular aspect without me giving away design details. As I have been saying all along, the UI for Windows 8 is a poor implementation compared to what could have been done, for the desktop and mobile.
Possibly. I get the feeling that you're using an indexing app which gives you a one key shortcut/browse option to all the indexed applications ;) Windows 8 contains this as a built in option. If I want to open 'Firefox' for example, I can just press the key F on the start screen and the search will list me all the matching apps (Mozilla Firefox, File Explorer, Windows Firewall, Finance, Windows Fax), sorted by usage popularity. Optionally 193 settings and 71 files were offered, grouped to their own groups.
But I can open any application I wish as it is by pressing the win key and clicking on the appropriate icon on the start screen. Or just by clicking the icon depending if I'm on the classic desktop or start screen.
I find Windows 8 very simple to use once you get to know the few differences between the new UI and the old. Much easyer to use than, say, Ubuntu Unity for example :)
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Possibly. I get the feeling that you're using an indexing app which gives you a one key shortcut/browse option to all the indexed applications ;) Windows 8 contains this as a built in option. If I want to open 'Firefox' for example, I can just press the key F on the start screen and the search will list me all the matching apps (Mozilla Firefox, File Explorer, Windows Firewall, Finance, Windows Fax), sorted by usage popularity. Optionally 193 settings and 71 files were offered, grouped to their own groups.
But I can open any application I wish as it is by pressing the win key and clicking on the appropriate icon on the start screen. Or just by clicking the icon depending if I'm on the classic desktop or start screen. Search is also very effective, all thats needed is pressing win key (if not already in modern start menu) and start to type. A list of settings, apps etc. is instantly displayed for selection.
I find Windows 8 very simple to use once you get to know the few differences between the new UI and the old. Much easyer to use than, say, Ubuntu Unity for example :)
I have been working on my own UI. From a blank desktop, press one key, then click the mouse button. No need to scroll, type anything else, or drag anything. Will work on mobile as well and that is all I am going to say about it.
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I dont think they are Nuts at Microsoft either. Fan or not i'm rational all other OS dont play Flightsims like windows does IMHO.
W8 is just the latest version.
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I have been working on my own UI. From a blank desktop, press one key, then click the mouse button. No need to scroll, type anything else, or drag anything. Will work on mobile as well and that is all I am going to say about it.
I'm not even asking to. But logically each key should at some point bring up several alternative programs. Which Win8 currently does unless only 1 match is found. In fact by typing the first letter of the app you wanted, the most commonly used app starting with that letter is listed and set as active so all that's needed is to type the first letter and press enter to start the app - not even mouse required. Very simple I should say.
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This is indeed very handy no searching long lists just type the first few letters on the start screen With this i could easily find paint for example to copy my screenshots directly (from the films)to it. Normally i would go to start and manouvre my mouse to the right folder. Because i normally never use that program.
I also find out after upgrading my wife's desktop streaming was a piece of cake.
I also find out streaming movies to my Xbox was easy also.
My photographs made by my windows Phone shows up on my skydrive tile on my PC.
Integration with office 2013 and sharing documents with the option to edit on any device is excellent.
Directx 11 etc etc.
There is a lot of potentional.
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I'm not even asking to. But logically each key should at some point bring up several alternative programs. Which Win8 currently does unless only 1 match is found. In fact by typing the first letter of the app you wanted, the most commonly used app starting with that letter is listed and set as active so all that's needed is to type the first letter and press enter to start the app - not even mouse required. Very simple I should say.
Actually Windows 7 search does the same thing. It auto-fills and auto-lists all the files as you type. Admittedly, I am not a big fan of it and have used it little.
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Wow! Holy fanboy on a soapbox Batman, can a thread be hijacked any more completely or what? Surprised Skuzzy let himself get trolled so hard.
Did the OP ever get his problem fixed? If so, what did you end up doing if you don't mind?
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Wow! Holy fanboy on a soapbox Batman, can a thread be hijacked any more completely or what? Surprised Skuzzy let himself get trolled so hard.
Did the OP ever get his problem fixed? If so, what did you end up doing if you don't mind?
I gave him a link to setup instructions. If he doesn't get fixed by following those it may be a hardware problem which can't be solved here anyway.
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B Y T H E W A Y.... I resolved my issue. I swapped the SLI sync cable and turned it around. Guess its not omni-directional.
Now back to the regularly scheduled forum troll intercept...:lol
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Ripley
Here is an IT website citing problems with win8
http://www.itworld.com/software/224533/windows-8-10-biggest-problems-so-far
ZDNet has this article
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8s-problem-its-the-hardware-7000009385/
PC world on the Gaming side of Win8
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2011088/pc-gaming-performance-on-windows-8-a-hard-data-analysis.html
You stand on you believe and I along with many others stand on what we experience.
BTW so you know I tried using Win8 for aprox a month and a half and i got so frustrated with it I changed back to Win7 Ultimate which ran smoother and made my gaming experience much better. BTW Win8 did not recognize the USB3 on my MB where as WIN7 did?? Why??
LawnDart
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Ripley
Here is an IT website citing problems with win8
http://www.itworld.com/software/224533/windows-8-10-biggest-problems-so-far
ZDNet has this article
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8s-problem-its-the-hardware-7000009385/
PC world on the Gaming side of Win8
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2011088/pc-gaming-performance-on-windows-8-a-hard-data-analysis.html
You stand on you believe and I along with many others stand on what we experience.
BTW so you know I tried using Win8 for aprox a month and a half and i got so frustrated with it I changed back to Win7 Ultimate which ran smoother and made my gaming experience much better. BTW Win8 did not recognize the USB3 on my MB where as WIN7 did?? Why??
LawnDart
LOL! You're posting articles from pre-release beta :D And even that had practically no problems whatsoever. This quote sums it up quite nicely:
I think it's nothing short of a miracle that nearly all of my Windows 7 applications and drivers work right out of the gate. Microsoft's legacy support is spot on, even in this early pre-beta release of Windows 8. However, there is a small portion of programs and drivers that just won't work, due to the fact that Windows 8's version number jumped from 6.1 (Windows 7) to 6.2 and some installers' version checks simply refuse to run.
The ZDNet didn't even have anything to do with Win8 per se but the devices it was sold on. What did you do, just pick the article by the title and not bother to even read it? Just admit it, you're dead stuck on opposing Win8 without knowing that it actually works just fine.
The PC world article said Windows 8 was _faster_ with games albeit by a small margin roflol. The point that secuRom games no longer work is not a Win8 issue but the stupidity of the SecuRom rootkit makers who haven't updated their invasive rootkit to mess up Win8, at least yet. Solution is simple: Don't mess your OS by installing SecuRom, period. If you're desperate to play your hard earned copy of the legacy game you can a) Complain to the company (they'll laugh at you) or b) Risk and download a cracked .exe without the securom (works wonders). Of course the latter option poses an extremely high risk of getting infected in the process. But if you're desperate.
Quote from the article you posted:
Bottom line
When it comes to the normal PC-gaming experience I expect, Windows 8 delivers. However, after running a dozen or so games, I did encounter some minor issues, as I noted earlier. Older games may have problems, particularly those titles that use obsolete, driver-level DRM schemes. Current-generation games should mostly be problem-free.
I would have used those same links to talk in favor of Win8 :D
Your USB3 no longer works with Win8? Complain to your hardware provider or search for updated drivers. NOT a Win8 issue once again.