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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: tuton25 on February 21, 2013, 05:52:12 PM
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I have only had it happen 2 times in the last 3 months... not a big deal and goes someway to preventing people using lag to warp all over the place. so -1
Easy way around it.... "Don't move your controls so rapidly"! :devil
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add some deadband (could have a faulty pot).... don't stick stir ..... when ever it happens to me...it is my gear to blame
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Get rid of it........... NOW!!!!!!
Read up on your controls spiking, or stop stick stirring. One or the other will solve the problem.
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Saw this a few times when I first started playing 5-6 years ago. Been back a 2-3 months flying most nights and haven't seen it. New Logitech 3D, no custom settings.
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Get some flying lessons...... NOW!!!!!! :bhead
:rofl :ahand
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I was in a mossie about 5,000ft above a 190 so I split S but I realized I wasn't pulling hard enough so I yanked the stick back, got a DMYCSR, and crashed....
Next I was chasing a TBM and he warped so I tried to follow him and got a DMYCSR but I recovered on that instance.....
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I was in a mossie about 5,000ft above a 190 so I split S but I realized I wasn't pulling hard enough so I yanked the stick back, got a DMYCSR, and crashed....
Next I was chasing a TBM and he warped so I tried to follow him and got a DMYCSR but I recovered on that instance.....
Sounds like in both instances you moved your stick too rapidly, so your the problem, not the game.
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I hate fly by wire! Bring back the cables!
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That message only really applies when you go back and forth really fast. I suspect your joystick is spiking unbeknownst to you. Just pulling back sharply shouldn't give that message unless you're banging the stick around in multiple directions.
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I also seem to get it when pull back hard in the WW1 arena and then role fast....either ripping my wings off or crashing....
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the 3D pro's are hit and miss bro, I have had ones that last two weeks and had others last 6 months before they start messing up one way or another. If u can trade it in for another to see if thats the problem
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That's called "the newb message"
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Get rid of it??? Are you crazy? I actually thing that it should be tightened up a bit and have it kick in sooner. The stick stirrin' is alive and well and oh so funny to watch. :)
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That's called "the newb message"
Grizz is fantastic :bolt:
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That's called "the newb message"
I did not get message till recently. Changed sticks and that helped a lot but still get it once in a while. Was thinking the T16000 ight help with the Hal effect sensors.
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somebody kill/lock/make disappear this stupid thread immediately
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I did not get message till recently. Changed sticks and that helped a lot but still get it once in a while. Was thinking the T16000 ight help with the Hal effect sensors.
I received the message the other day. It was humiliating. :)
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I also seem to get it when pull back hard in the WW1 arena and then role fast....either ripping my wings off or crashing....
This reinforces the belief that it is pilot/operator error. Had you induced DMYCSR before piltoing your aircraft so violently that it snapped-off and lost major structural components, you wouldn't of been able to damage your aircraft via hamfisting the stick due to the signifigantly reducing input that the DMYCSR system impliments.
In other words, DMYCSR did not roll your airplane so fast that it ripped your wings off and thus the resulting crash, it is impossible.
Now, it may be only partialy your fault, being compounded by an improper (rushed or default) joystick settup. Film would help conclusively determine if it is pilot error, hardware/stick issues, or both.
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The error message is usually the result of 1) bad controller calibration in Windows and/or AH 2) stick scale needs adjusting or 3) faulty controllers. A controller that has been properly calibrated in Windows and AH and is in proper working condition shouldn't give that error message. I would suggest calibrating the controllers in Windows and then doing the double calibration routine in AH (calibrating axis and controllers). If you still get that message then try adjusting your stick scale, dampening the controls can help eliminate or at least make spikes less troublesome. If you're still getting the error message after doing the above, then it would be a good idea to start looking at the hardware side of things, such as making sure the potentiometers are correctly seated or that the contacts are clean. If it is a hardware issue, most likely it's from a potentiometer going bad.
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The error message is usually the result of......
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If what AKAK says here doesn't work for you I'd strongly suggest you stop moving your controls so rapidly. If you do that I guarantee your problem will just disappear. If you had ulterior motives for asking that this be removed or changed I'd say that has little chance of "flying" here. It's just not gonna happen.
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Quick familiarity test is to throttle off before taking off and just hamfisting your stick a few times until you trigger it. Get a feel for what is involved to trigger it so that way you may have a better chance of avoiding triggering it.
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You might want to fly in the TA or offline and see exactly what it takes to generate the message by starting with one side to side swipe and working up. Once you have a minimum threshold to set it off you can play with damping adjustments to see if that's a good solution for you. Just be sure to note how the damping affects your fine aim corrections and aircraft response time.
Quick familiarity test is to throttle off before taking off and just hamfisting your stick a few times until you trigger it. Get a feel for what is involved to trigger it so that way you may have a better chance of avoiding triggering it.
This won't work because you need to be flying at a certain percentage above stall speed ( old wish granted ) in order to trigger the lock.
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The older I get, the more rapidly I have to move my stick to get any kind of response :old:
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well quit moving your hand up and down your controller so fast.... you'll chafe your hand!
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I got it the other day trying to wave my wings at a green guy climbing past me.
Apparently I have a violent way of saying hello. :joystick:
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You might want to fly in the TA or offline and see exactly what it takes to generate the message by starting with one side to side swipe and working up. Once you have a minimum threshold to set it off you can play with damping adjustments to see if that's a good solution for you. Just be sure to note how the damping affects your fine aim corrections and aircraft response time.
This won't work because you need to be flying at a certain percentage above stall speed ( old wish granted ) in order to trigger the lock.
Doh! I remember comming back and that was one of the first things I did. Guess he'll have to try it airborne or offline then.
well quit moving your hand up and down your controller so fast.... you'll chafe your hand!
How long hav you been saving that one while waiting for HTC's office to close for the weekend? :devil
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Part of the problem is the fact that I use a Logitec Gamepad 310 and if someone jumps me I move the little knob so fast (snap rolling) I generate the error message
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Part of the problem is the fact that I use a Logitec Gamepad 310 and if someone jumps me I move the little knob so fast (snap rolling) I generate the error message
Then you will either have to learn NOT to push them so fast, dumb down the controls in the games so that the inputs do NOT push the plane past those limits, or buy a real joystick. Those are your options. Changing the game isn't one because those setting are there for a reason. Pushing past those limits would cause serious problems in a plane and so are not allowed in the game.
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The bad part of the error is when it does happen, it is the worst possible time and it is really irritating to get killed because your controls are locked up.
I still think this problem would lessened by a tie to the auto takeoff option or leave the message in but stop locking up the controls or some combination.
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That's called "the newb message"
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The bad part of the error is when it does happen, it is the worst possible time and it is really irritating to get killed because your controls are locked up.
I still think this problem would lessened by a tie to the auto takeoff option or leave the message in but stop locking up the controls or some combination.
It's not a problem, it's a solution to the problem of unrealistic control inputs causing unrealistic flight performance. That's why we say the best solution is to learn to move your controls slower. I went through the same thing but I eventually adjusted so I don't need damping or deadband to avoid it now. You just need to retrain some bad habits.
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I give up on this one. :bolt: :)
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I give up on this one. :bolt: :)
OK, to do the same thing how about when you "move your controls too rapidly" your wings just fall off and you plummet to the ground some what like those moves would do to you in a real plane :D
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It's not a problem, it's a solution to the problem of unrealistic control inputs causing unrealistic flight performance.
I've always understood that it was a means to limit warp rolling, etc. that occur due to lag/connection.
OK, to do the same thing how about when you "move your controls too rapidly" your wings just fall off and you plummet to the ground some what like those moves would do to you in a real plane
Uh, that's how it works in game now. If you pull to hard the wing fails. Has nothing to do with limiting rapid control device movement.
I think you've got things a bit confused.
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I've always understood that it was a means to limit warp rolling, etc. that occur due to lag/connection.
Don't you consider warp rolling to be unrealistic flight performance?
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It happened alot when my old stick was going bad. Once in a great while I will get the message but I Blame myself. :cry
I wish the delay in regaining control would come quicker though and sometimes hitting auto pilot can level you out.
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Don't you consider warp rolling to be unrealistic flight performance?
No since the cartoon plane isn't actually doing what you're seeing it do.
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In my 8 years playing AH2....I've had this message appear exactly zero times.
Sounds like a PEBKAC ...or rather a PEBJAC...error.
-Ful
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Try learning some real ACM's rather then stick stirring. I have never had this message pop one once in my 6+ years of playing... sounds like a personal problem
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Mossie don't like split-S.
Wingover next time.
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Try learning some real ACM's rather then stick stirring. I have never had this message pop one once in my 6+ years of playing... sounds like a personal problem
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Try learning some real ACM's rather then stick stirring. I have never had this message pop one once in my 6+ years of playing... sounds like a personal problem
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Sorry VansCrew, I didn't get that. Can you say it again?
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Only time I have gotten a "DERNT MERV YER CERNTRERLS!!!" was when I watched Redbull kill the 3 cons on him (didn't know it was him, but assumed so) and he was gimped so I escorted him back to base.
I flew past him and waved my wings at him and BANGO almost crashed because of it.
No good deed goes unpunished hahahaha
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I flew past him and waved my wings at him and BANGO almost crashed because of it.
There needs to be a class on how to wave wings and avoid this.. :old:
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The older I get, the more rapidly I have to move my stick to get any kind of response :old:
I think there are pills you can get to help you with that Sir
send a PM to yarbles
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If you want your wings or flippers or appenages to flip over as fast as you slam your controls around. Pay HiTech to make a space combat game.
Or if you are game for it, go into your jsm file in the settings folder. Where your x, y axis calibration numbers are. Add 5000 to the number before 32767 and delete 5000 from the number after. This will shorten your control input runout and make your inputs respond a bit faster. I took about 12000 off my x, y and my rudder peddal inputs. Now I have much tighter control of my aircraft. You may find after this you need to introduce scaling to slightly retard your intial input motions so you have fine control in the center of your movements. Damping and dead band won't accomplish that. If you use them you will get bouncing instead of smooth micro control in the center. You may find you need to reduce the default deadband and damping once you introduce scaling. I found starting my scaling at 50 then arced up to 100 adressed the micro control.
They will look something like this in their default mode. Make a copy of the file so you can switch back if you don't like it. You will be looking for a file along the lines of this one: chfighterstickusb.jsm
Befor
X Axis
0,32767,65535
Z Axis
0,32767,65535
After
X Axis
5000,32767,60535
Z Axis
5000,32767,60535
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I think there are pills you can get to help you with that Sir
send a PM to yarbles
Ain't that the stuff Bruv takes to win KotH? :noid
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Hey tuton... If you don't want to see the message. Don't move your controls so raipdly. :P
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GG Vans, hahaha.
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Sorry VansCrew, I didn't get that. Can you say it again?
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Jerking your stick back and forth like a 14 year old is why the message is popping up... simple as that.
:noid
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It happened again while upping a fighter disabled field in an A20. I had a choice of two targets, a niki on the left and a spit on the right.
I threw the stick over to go for the niki, as i did he turned, I flipped to the right and but the spit explode so I threw stick back to left and got my controls locked and the a20 went in.
Maybe those that don't get the message are too timid. :joystick: :)
How about making the frozen controls last for a second instead of what seems like an eternity.
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It happened again while upping a fighter disabled field in an A20. I had a choice of two targets, a niki on the left and a spit on the right.
I threw the stick over to go for the niki, as i did he turned, I flipped to the right and but the spit explode so I threw stick back to left and got my controls locked and the a20 went in.
Maybe those that don't get the message are too timid. :joystick: :)
How about making the frozen controls last for a second instead of what seems like an eternity.
It is a PENALTY for moving your stick too fast! Don't move your stick too fast! Had you been in a real A20 and tried that you would have crashed also, THAT is what it simulates.
The other thing they could do was hire some big 300lb guy to stand behind your chair while you fly. If you move your stick around too much he would pick you up and throw you around the room for a minute of so. Same idea, don't move your stick too fast.
An A20 is NOT a zero and is not made to "threw the stick over to go for the niki, as i did he turned, I flipped to the right and but the spit explode so I threw stick back to left" so you were penalized.
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I got the stick warning a couple of weeks ago when I was stall fighting on the deck and was trying to recover a particlarly nasty stall after an attempt to get an angle on the enemy. Glided to the ground and crashed. :bhead
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An A20 is NOT a zero and is not made to "threw the stick over to go for the niki, as i did he turned, I flipped to the right and but the spit explode so I threw stick back to left" so you were penalized.
Really? I've done just exactly that real-life in both the B-24 and B-17 while making show passes. Not once has anything dire happened, nor did I get "thrown around the cockpit". Have also quickly moved the stick from full deflection to one side to full deflection the other side in P-51 and every Cessna I've flown ---- again no dire effect.
It's not about aircraft limitation, it's about what it appears to make your cartoon plane do.
The only time I've gotten the "don't move controls quickly" was doing an 8-point roll. It seems the code picks up on quick back and forth movement of the controls --- the kind of control movement the causes the warp roll.
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I have never seen it, even when scissoring a Dora.
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I been on this game for about 2.5 years now. I started out with a used saitek stick ( can't remember the model, but it was a twist stick w/ a built in throttle). Then I got a used saitex X45. Then about a year ago I got a new Ch fighter stick n pro throttle. I never had a problem with don't move your controls so rapidly with any of them.
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the 3D pro's are hit and miss bro, I have had ones that last two weeks and had others last 6 months before they start messing up one way or another. If u can trade it in for another to see if thats the problem
find yourself a MicroSoft Sidewider II , 12 years and counting, still going strong.
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I haven't gotten in at least a few years. Stop jerking your stick so much. :joystick:
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I haven't gotten in at least a few years. Stop jerking your stick so much. :joystick:
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ive never seen that message! does it actually exist?
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Read up on your controls spiking, or stop stick stirring. One or the other will solve the problem.
I doubt real WW2 pilots saw this message in combat. Given your unwavering for accuracy, I'm surprised in regards to your comment, sir!
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I doubt real WW2 pilots saw this message in combat. Given your unwavering for accuracy, I'm surprised in regards to your comment, sir!
Real WW2 pilots didn't warp all over the screen when jerking their stick, they just got the 'you have been killed' message if they tried that.
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find yourself a MicroSoft Sidewider II , 12 years and counting, still going strong.
I have the Sidewinder Precision Pro which is even older - still working just like the day I bought it.