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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Box Kite on March 01, 2013, 10:16:51 AM
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A couple of new planes in the WW1 arena would be cool.
I'm thinking a Albatros DVa & a Nieuport model would be cool. Maybe a SPAD or SE5A.
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ww1 arena? where?
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ww1 arena? where?
It was sooo much fun the first three weeks.
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Yep lets get a new plane for the 5 people that play in ww1 at a given time!
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I still think it's fun...
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Yeah I guess your right NICK172. There are to few of us. What was I thinking. besides i'm probley not that good with the ones that are in there. lol.
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Yep lets get a new plane for the 5 people that play in ww1 at a given time!
oh wow the playing population double since the last time I was there.
semp
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There were 10 last night, woot! If you want yo test your skills for real, you should come in here. Pure plane, no flaps, no WEP, pure pilot. This will test not only energy management, but ACMs and ability to anticipate your opponent's next position. Turners, knife fighters, come and get you some!
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To me all the planes in WWI fly the same and everything is cannon fodder for the DR.1. While my computer don't run it well The Rise of Flight is a better WWI game. At least there is a performance difference between the planes. The DR.1 in our WWI arena is way to fast.
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To me all the planes in WWI fly the same and everything is cannon fodder for the DR.1. While my computer don't run it well The Rise of Flight is a better WWI game. At least there is a performance difference between the planes. The DR.1 in our WWI arena is way to fast.
If they all fly the same then why is everything cannon fodder for the DR1? :headscratch:
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I love when people who never show up in a room have such strong opinions....They are not alike at all, each has it's own capabilities.
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I bet if they added more wwi planes to the ww1 arena the population of the ww1 arena would double, then there would be like 2 players in that arena! Maybe even at the same time! :x
I'd rather they introduced some wwII biplanes into the main arenas.
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I bet if they added more wwi planes to the ww1 arena the population of the ww1 arena would double, then there would be like 2 players in that arena! Maybe even at the same time! :x
I'd rather they introduced some wwII biplanes into the main arenas.
he said bi :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
semp
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In the same manner the United States allows Canada to exist in order to maintain our strategic reserves of trees, so too does HTC allow the WW1 arena to exist to provided for future programming in the event of an gaming emergency.
tongue in cheek.
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Don't know if anything will change. I came to AH because of the WWI arena...mostly in the late war now, in a tank. Long way from cloth and wires to heavy metal. Still go in if there are 8 or more people flying WWI...and it's still fun. If they added anything, it would have to be competitive with that plane set...thinking Spad 7 or Spad 13. Probably won't happen, but it would be fun. For folks who have not been in there recently, DR's no longer rule...pilots pretty well spread across the plane set.
Not sure why the haters come out whenever there is a WWI post, diversity is important. Some of us who are very happy in AH, still prefer WWI planes - though the opportunity is pretty limited. The group may be small, but generally they are a lot of fun.
So...Spad 7 or Spad 13. It may be naive, but you can always hope. Until then, heavy metal is good....
One
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10 people in WWI is a lot of fun. It's more fun than furball lake for a quick fight or two. I'd like to see a Spad or a Neuport added (or both).
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EIII, DH2, Neuport11
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With the current plane set ( Dr1, F1 Camel, F2b, and D.VII ) a Spad 7, Spad XIII, or SE5a would fit right in.
We could see some Boom and Zoomers flying through the fur-ball. The SE5a would really match up well with the F2b because of the upward firing Lewis gun. That would be a hoot. The Spad 7 only had one gun and it would also compliment the F2b. The Spad XIII being the fastest plane of this group would have the Run-Stang role in WWI. ;)
:salute
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I love when people who never show up in a room have such strong opinions....They are not alike at all, each has it's own capabilities.
eindecker!!!
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I love when people who never show up in a room have such strong opinions....They are not alike at all, each has it's own capabilities.
HTC has limited resources. Not participating in the WWI arena does not mean the decision to add a Spad XIII or such would have no effect. If a J2M3 could be added or the Spad XIII could be added, I will pick the J2M3 by orders of magnitude.
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I want a huge zepplin wigh guns all over it.
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Some new planes would be great. But to get more people in the arena there needs to be more. More of a strategical objective than furballing. Some tanks moving at 3-5 mph. Bombers. I don't think there has been a MMO that has produced the Gotha or HP yet.
The arena is fun but it can be better. :banana:
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HTC has limited resources. Not participating in the WWI arena does not mean the decision to add a Spad XIII or such would have no effect. If a J2M3 could be added or the Spad XIII could be added, I will pick the J2M3 by orders of magnitude.
I see your J2M3 and raise you a D4Y and B6N. :D
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I see your J2M3 and raise you a D4Y and B6N. :D
Those too, but as multi-seat aircraft they weren't as direct a comparison to the Spad XIII.
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WW1 arena does not need more planes, yet; it needs a new gameplay system.
Like currently, how do you cap fields? How do you effect the supply routes, strats or convoys?
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oh wow the playing population double since the last time I was there.
Theres 4 in there now??
semp
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WW1 arena does not need more planes, yet; it needs a new gameplay system.
Like currently, how do you cap fields? How do you effect the supply routes, strats or convoys?
Yea killing in slow motion does get boring after say...4 minutes?
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Okay. Let's all get I. Hot air ballons and
kill one another using plastic spoons.
Hard core action!
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WWI just needs some TLC to get the numbers up. The first month was fantastic. I still go in there.
Couple planes and Rangers Terrains will get it going again.
My choices:
SE5a
Spad 13
Future planes
Gotha G.V bomber
Handley Page bomber
The two bombers could use the same FM.
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Just a wish. I like the LWA allot, but I have always liked WWI the most.
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To me all the planes in WWI fly the same and everything is cannon fodder for the DR.1.
I respectfully disagree, I've found the DR1 in a turning fight can peform quite well due to the wings. But the DVII is better in the vertical. F1 is well rounded and an easy to fly plane, and the F2 is a slightly larger, slightly slower F1 with a tailgun lol.
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To me all the planes in WWI fly the same and everything is cannon fodder for the DR.1. While my computer don't run it well The Rise of Flight is a better WWI game. At least there is a performance difference between the planes. The DR.1 in our WWI arena is way to fast.
Sir, (with all due respect):
1) They don't fly the same at all.
2) Since your computer doesn't run it well, how would you know that "Rise of Flight" is a better game--by which metrics? I think Rise of Flight is a fun game, but I'd never be tacky enough to push a different game on this forum...boo.
3) Per National Museum of the US Air Force's Fact sheets: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=276
Max Speeds:
DR-1 = 103 mph (115 mph per wiki)
F-1 = 112 mph
D-VII = 120 mph (Mercedes engine); 124 mph (BMW engine)
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NO FACT SHEET for the F2B, went to Wiki ....
F2B = (107knts, 123 mph per Wiki)
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Did a quick comparison in Game and got these results:
DR-1 = 107 IAS at SL
F2B = 122 at SL, 110 IAS at 5K (120 G/S),
I dunno .... F2B is looking like its 15 mph faster than the DR-1 at SL, ... and both are coming up well within any reasonable engineering tolerance for comparisons to actual/reported speeds.
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Personally, I enjoy the heck out of the WWI arena, but it is often tough to find a decent fight there - I suspect because it is so technically difficult to employ the planes compared to the WWII monsters. I'd love to be able to strafe troops in trenches, whack dirigibles, and all the other things that happened in WWI, but again the capitol investment for player return probably isn't viable.
<S> & :cheers:
-Rodent57
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How bout we have WW1 event, I am in there some times. Lets have a special event in the world war one arena for recuritment, shoot get a commerical on the tv about it, it would be free and open to the public, huge furball. I think it could be done
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Sir, (with all due respect):
1) They don't fly the same at all.
2) Since your computer doesn't run it well, how would you know that "Rise of Flight" is a better game--by which metrics? I think Rise of Flight is a fun game, but I'd never be tacky enough to push a different game on this forum...boo.
3) Per National Museum of the US Air Force's Fact sheets: http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=276
Max Speeds:
DR-1 = 103 mph (115 mph per wiki)
F-1 = 112 mph
D-VII = 120 mph (Mercedes engine); 124 mph (BMW engine)
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NO FACT SHEET for the F2B, went to Wiki ....
F2B = (107knts, 123 mph per Wiki)
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Did a quick comparison in Game and got these results:
DR-1 = 107 IAS at SL
F2B = 122 at SL, 110 IAS at 5K (120 G/S),
I dunno .... F2B is looking like its 15 mph faster than the DR-1 at SL, ... and both are coming up well within any reasonable engineering tolerance for comparisons to actual/reported speeds.
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Personally, I enjoy the heck out of the WWI arena, but it is often tough to find a decent fight there - I suspect because it is so technically difficult to employ the planes compared to the WWII monsters. I'd love to be able to strafe troops in trenches, whack dirigibles, and all the other things that happened in WWI, but again the capitol investment for player return probably isn't viable.
You are correct HTC will not burn resources on the WWI arena as no great number of players us it. As for my opinion of the plane performance in Rise of flight as compared to HTC is a simple fact. The D-VII can just clime away or dive away from a DR.1 in Rise of Flight while there seems to be very little difference to me in HTC planes. While I have played World of tanks and Rise of Flight I find the over all game play of HTC far Superior to any on line game I have ever tried. HTC is the only game I have pay to play for over five years. I just don't happen to like the modeling of their WWI planes.
<S> & :cheers:
-Rodent57
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R-105,
You wrote, "You are correct HTC will not burn resources on the WWI arena as no great number of players us it. As for my opinion of the plane performance in Rise of flight as compared to HTC is a simple fact. The D-VII can just clime away or dive away from a DR.1 in Rise of Flight while there seems to be very little difference to me in HTC planes. While I have played World of tanks and Rise of Flight I find the over all game play of HTC far Superior to any on line game I have ever tried. HTC is the only game I have pay to play for over five years. I just don't happen to like the modeling of their WWI planes."
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My reply, "Fair enough ... I'm with you, I've never paid to play as long as I have in AHII for the same reasons"
You have piqued my curiosity (in a good way) as to the question of accuracy of the flight models ... Sadly I can't jump into either a DR.1, nor a D-VII in real life to compare climb data (besides, it's raining here in Seattle), but I can go to acknowledged expert sources for answers.
[Per: Fokker's published data (DR.1) / Peter Grosz's data (DR.1) / NASA data (comparison of time to climb of WWI fighters): http://history.nasa.gov/SP-468/ch2-2.htm **]
- NOTE: I’ve also added my Observed/Recorded data from AH II…I used time from Throttles-Forward. ¼ bag of fuel. DR.1 fuel expired at 15.5 minutes and 3809 meters (12,500’) in my testing. I do not know if the other sources used Throttles forward, or Weight off Wheels as their Zero point.
DR.1: Time to Climb (Mins):
ALT (Meters) Fokker / Grosz / ** NASA / AVG / AHII (Observed/Recorded data)
1,000 1.0 / 2.9 / 1.7 / 1.8 / 3.2
2,000 4.5 / - / 3.8 / 4.1 / 6.7
3,000 12.0 / 10.1 / 6.5 / 9.5 / 11.0
4,000 20.0 / - / 9.5 / 14.8 / --- (fuel expired at 15.5…12,500)
5,000 34.0 / 23.8 / 14.0 / 23.9 / ---
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[Per: NASA data (comparison of time to climb of WWI fighters): http://history.nasa.gov/SP-468/ch2-2.htm ]
- NOTE: I’ve also added my Observed/Recorded data from AH II…I used time from Throttles-Forward. ¼ bag of fuel. D-VII fuel expired at 12.0 minutes and 2862 meters (9380’) in my testing. I do not know if the other sources used Throttles forward, or Weight off Wheels as their Zero point.
D-=VII: Time to Climb (Mins):
ALT (Meters) ** NASA / AHII (Observed/Recorded data)
1,000 3.2 / 3.5
2,000 5.0 / 7.5
3,000 8.2 / --- (fuel expired at 12.0…9380’)
4,000 11.6 / ---
5,000 16.0 / ---
Conclusion:
In all cases, AH II climb performace was under that of NASA’s testing , but not by a lot (also remember, I used “Auto Climb” and just let it go. I did not try to max perform the climb data in any way via trim or ‘bunting’, or hanging on the props).
= AHII’s Performance most closely matched that observed by Grosz for the DR.1.
= Different Pilots, different Props, different techniques will always yield differing results ... I went with the Google Glasses-wearing, pocket
Protector clad geeks at NASA for my baseline
= DR.1 simply outclimbs the D-VII according to every credible source (that I found)
= Many historical accounts mention DR.1’s performance advantages in climb and turn, D-VII was a better machine at generating top speed.
Lastly, this is a "Time to climb" comparison ... Not to be confused with a zoom climb comparison.
An interesting (short) read from the Smithsonian Air&Space Magazine, “What the Red baron Never knew” … be sure to click on the Sopwith Camel picture to see the associated diagrams.
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/red_baron.html?c=y&page=2#
I leave it to each to draw their own conclusions … I don't have access to code (and wouldn't know how to use it anyhow--I'm just a dumb ol' fighter jock from logging and fishin' country :aok)
:cheers:
-Rodent57
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We need new planes and a point besides pure dog fighting would be nice to attract more people.