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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Spork on March 11, 2013, 12:06:48 PM
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I'm sure many of you in this community have heard this story because you are so versed in WW2 history but for those who aren't: this is an awesome article on what it means to be honorable.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/index.html?hpt=hp_c1)
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Yes, this was actually posted on this forum already. Reading about it has pushed me to buy the book, it's a truly great story!
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This is a great story.
My personal favorite out of all the unknown stories is Operation Chariot. Jeremy Clarkson did a documentary on it that can be seen on youtube.
British commandos loaded this lend lease destroyer with of tons of high explosive and then never bothered to pay for the destroyer we lent them.
(http://www.scotsatwar.co.uk/printerv/_derived/stnazaire.htm_txt_hmscampbeltown.gif)
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British commandos loaded this lend lease destroyer with of tons of high explosive and then never bothered to pay for the destroyer we lent them.
I'm sure the UK's lend-lease payments finished in 2006, and I'm pretty sure the almost obsolete 4 stack destroyers the US chucked the UK's way rather than go to the bother of scrapping them were paid for.
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Not to mention keeping up our end for more than 2 years whilst the US waited to see what would happen :bolt:
Another example of US passing obsolete crap to foreign navy's was embodied in the USS Pheonix. Brits sorted that tin bucket out as well :D
Operation Chariot was about the ballsiest example of maritime special forces actions ever accomplished. I especially like the captains interrogation " so, you britisher pigdogs sink zat de schmall boat vut destroy our ......boooom
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Guys dont take the bait for heavens sake!
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This is a great story.
My personal favorite out of all the unknown stories is Operation Chariot. Jeremy Clarkson did a documentary on it that can be seen on youtube.
British commandos loaded this lend lease destroyer with of tons of high explosive and then never bothered to pay for the destroyer we lent them.
(http://www.scotsatwar.co.uk/printerv/_derived/stnazaire.htm_txt_hmscampbeltown.gif)
I am going to buy the book and watch the doc, never heard of this Op. Looks very interesting.
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I'm sure many of you in this community have heard this story because you are so versed in WW2 history but for those who aren't: this is an awesome article on what it means to be honorable.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/index.html?hpt=hp_c1)
Thanks for reposting this or else I wouldnt have come across it. :aok
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb426/Danny_Winters/Bluberrysig_zps49aade92.gif)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb426/Danny_Winters/biggersig_zps0d43514d.png)
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I'm sure many of you in this community have heard this story because you are so versed in WW2 history but for those who aren't: this is an awesome article on what it means to be honorable.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/index.html?hpt=hp_c1)
yay only posted twice in one week. then you probaly already knew it as you read it in the other forum.
semp
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Neat. Thanks for the contribution to the thread Semp
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Not to mention keeping up our end for more than 2 years whilst the US waited to see what would happen
Hummmm. Not to mention getting into that fix in the first place.
- oldman (but hey, bailing out the Euros is what we do!)
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Chivalry in the skies. Pretty amazing, indeed.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/index.html?hpt=hp_c1)
:aok
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... You're kidding. Right?
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3 threads on this is not enough
We need more OFN!
I predict at least two more by Friday
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Neat. Thanks for the contribution to the thread Semp
same to you. since you copied it from the toher thread.
semp
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I'm sure the UK's lend-lease payments finished in 2006, and I'm pretty sure the almost obsolete 4 stack destroyers the US chucked the UK's way rather than go to the bother of scrapping them were paid for.
It was a seller's market back then. You can't blame opportunity.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Guys dont take the bait for heavens sake!
It's what I live for. Ask Rino.
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same to you. since you copied it from the toher thread.
semp
No idea what thread you are talking about. I made this one because I thought the story was good and I wanted to share it.
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No idea what thread you are talking about. I made this one because I thought the story was good and I wanted to share it.
tell yourself that. post it in the wish list as that will be the only place it hasnt been posted yet.
semp
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Hummmm. Not to mention getting into that fix in the first place.
- oldman (but hey, bailing out the Euros is what we do!)
Absolutely. We should have ignored them and hope they went away :bhead
Had US not been directly attacked how long would they have taken to get stuck in?, if at all. Yes theeir involvement was instrumental but the Russians had a greater impact by sopping up huge numbers of German troops and equipment. Germany lost when it invaded USSR, not when the US entered the war :old:
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Absolutely. We should have ignored them and hope they went away
Well, I mean....isn't that exactly what you did...? Reparations, rearmament, Rhineland, Anschluss, Sudetenland....?
Had US not been directly attacked how long would they have taken to get stuck in?, if at all. Yes theeir involvement was instrumental but the Russians had a greater impact by sopping up huge numbers of German troops and equipment. Germany lost when it invaded USSR, not when the US entered the war
I guess it was a colossal blunder for the US to enter at all, then, if England and the Bolshies had matters well in hand. What a shame for all the kids we lost in the process.
- oldman
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Old story, but surprised to see it still getting circulated today.
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Well, I mean....isn't that exactly what you did...? Reparations, rearmament, Rhineland, Anschluss, Sudetenland....?
I guess it was a colossal blunder for the US to enter at all, then, if England and the Bolshies had matters well in hand. What a shame for all the kids we lost in the process.
- oldman
Because attempting to reach a political settlement to stave off military action is unheard of? It was unsuccessful but nevetheless had to be attempted.
What I said was that the US was instrumental in winning the war, but it came as no surprise to anyone when Germany invaded Europe, and had the US got involved before the fall of France it's reasonable to surmise that the Germans would have been repulsed, in fact had the French not run away and actually fought alongside the British as they said they would do, there is a fair chance that France would have held anyway, and US intervention at this point may well have prevented Pearl Harbour.
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Because attempting to reach a political settlement to stave off military action is unheard of? It was unsuccessful but nevetheless had to be attempted.
Appeasement goes way, way back, so it isn't unheard of at all! The real issue is whether it "had to be attempted" with Nazi Germany. Standing by while Germany repeatedly violated the Versailles Treaty was unwise, not only in retrospect but as argued by many influential people at the time. You (well, not YOU, of course) got the result they predicted. Why would you expect the US, which wasn't a party to the Versailles Treaty and therefore had no standing to enforce violations, to immediately jump into the war the Euros had gotten themselves into? (I know, I know, because that's what we do.)
What I said was that the US was instrumental in winning the war, but it came as no surprise to anyone when Germany invaded Europe, and had the US got involved before the fall of France it's reasonable to surmise that the Germans would have been repulsed, in fact had the French not run away and actually fought alongside the British as they said they would do, there is a fair chance that France would have held anyway, and US intervention at this point may well have prevented Pearl Harbour.
Once Japan's access to steel and oil was cut off by the 1941 US embargoes, there was no face-saving way for the Japanese to avoid war, whether Germany was in it or not. That was a war we brought on ourselves - sort of the reverse of the ETO.
- oldman
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54gwls9E0Ug#!
:aok :salute
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Appeasement goes way, way back, so it isn't unheard of at all!
I was being ironic when I said it was unheard of :bhead
The real issue is whether it "had to be attempted" with Nazi Germany. Standing by while Germany repeatedly violated the Versailles Treaty was unwise, not only in retrospect but as argued by many influential people at the time. You (well, not YOU, of course) got the result they predicted.
I would suggest they were doing their level best not to get dragged in to another gigantic conflict so soon after WW1, and would have tried anything to avoid one. The versailles treaty was pretty much unenforceable considering that the signatory nations had all but depleted their respective militaries in four years of fighting, and the vast majority of servicemen had been either killed or demobbed by then. Just look at the state of the allied air forces at the beginning of WW2, hell, even the German tanks of the time were fairly shocking if any decent resistance could have been put up.
Why would you expect the US, which wasn't a party to the Versailles Treaty and therefore had no standing to enforce violations, to immediately jump into the war the Euros had gotten themselves into? (I know, I know, because that's what we do.)
It's because thats what you DID, not what you do. The UK has been trailing around after the US and committing to it's middle eastern "conquest" with troops for many years now, including me 2 years ago, I doubt that either country jumped in to help the other for anything remotely close to altruism. It isnt as thought the US came a runnin' to help out until Hitler had declared his intentions, Lend lease didnt start until the day after.
Once Japan's access to steel and oil was cut off by the 1941 US embargoes, there was no face-saving way for the Japanese to avoid war, whether Germany was in it or not. That was a war we brought on ourselves - sort of the reverse of the ETO.
- oldman
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Could you cameltoes please find another thread to troll. Watch the video; it will make you smile. :)
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Could you cameltoes please find another thread to troll. Watch the video; it will make you smile. :)
You apparently fail to see the difference between trolling and a reasoned debate.
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A "reasoned debate" totally hijacking the original thread. A thread that deserves far better than this.
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A "reasoned debate" totally hijacking the original thread. A thread that deserves far better than this.
Original thread pertains to a fantastic story, however this is the third such thread about the same story in as many days, ergo, does not deserve to be left unhijacked :)
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A "reasoned debate" totally hijacking the original thread. A thread that deserves far better than this.
Ah. OK, then.
Great story. Honor in war. Wonder why I never heard about this before. Thanks for posting it.
- oldman