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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Randy1 on March 16, 2013, 06:43:25 AM
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When going off a CV, I enjoy a Sea Hurricane for a change of pace from the P38. I have noticed the Sea Hurricane has a firepower that is much, much greater hitting power than the P38. I know the Sea Hurricane has two canons compared to P38 single canon but with the 50s, it would seem closer.
DoKGonZo's Fighter Comparison site suggest they are closer in firepower than as they are modeled in AH.
Maybe it is just me but the P38 seems to be castrated.
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I know the Sea Hurricane has two canons
Go back to hangar and check ;)
DoKGonZo's Fighter Comparison site suggest they are closer in firepower than as they are modeled in AH.
As far as I know, DGFC does suggest nothing about the Sea Hurricane at all. :old:
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Go back to hangar and check ;)
As far as I know, DGFC does suggest nothing about the Sea Hurricane at all. :old:
What our buddy Lusche is saying is the Sea Hurri has 4 cannons, and DokGonzos site doesn't list any info for the Sea Hurri because the Sea Hurri is a new addition and Dok's site hasn't been updated in a long time.
So by comparison the Sea Hurri DOES hit harder than a 38.
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So by comparison the Sea Hurri DOES hit harder than a 38.
Yes it does.
But actually Randy is referring to the Sea Fire. He just mixed up the names. ;)
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:huh P38 has one of the most awesome guns in the game...all within 2 ft of each other.
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Per the US Navy the P-38 has seven M2 .50 cals worth of firepower and the Sea Hurricane has twelve M2 .50 cals worth of firepower.
The Seafire has about nine M2 .50 cals worth of firepower.
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One thing about cannons is that they concentrate the fire better, making it easier to blow bits off.
That said, the P-38 has a nice, concentrated stream of fire that is focused at any reasonable range whereas the Sea Hurricane and Seafire only have concentrated firepower at convergence.
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P38 is like a buzzsaw, 2 seconds of bullets anywhere will shear any part off.
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Well based off of the planes I normally fly, the P38 has one of, if not the, best gun package of all.
Put that gun package together with somebody that can fly the P38 well, and its painful and quick.
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Well based off of the planes I normally fly, the P38 has one of, if not the, best gun package of all.
The Me410 with the MK103 loadout has the best gun package in the game, but the Me410 airframe is pathetic compared to the P-38 airframe.
The Mosquito Mk VI also has a superior gun package, and while the Mosquito airframe is better than the P-38G, it is not as good as the P-38J or L.
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My gunnery sucks.
Fixed. :devil
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Gents, Randy is a good guy attempting to learn Aces High and is a fairly new player. Don't be nasty! :angel:
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Randy, if you want your aim to be good, you need to work on it. Aim is a very perishable skill and tends to be the first one to go after a Aces High vacation.
Work on the drones offline until you can 'one pass' them from any angle at any speed; those drones take more damage than planes normally can and keep flying. When you start putting the entire package of the 38 together, I'd recommend considering turning off tracers. Too many people aim with the tracers instead of gunsight, not to mention it gives the bandit warning and can even tell him which way to jink to avoid fire.
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One more thing, gun accuracy can save your bacon and is arguably the most important skill in Aces High. For example, earlier this week I was flying along in a low speed climb and I didn't realize that my icons were off. I looked around briefly and saw an aircraft dropping down on my 6 o'clock. I sloppily broke hard into him and fortunately he missed, as I could now tell he was a 109K.
I waited for him to come back down and desperately tried to build up my energy reserves. He came down, dropped beneath me for a moment and I had less than a second for a snapshot. I got lucky and the rounds I fired entered the cockpit. If I missed, I would of been nose low against a 109K with alt and angles on me, aka 'deadmeat'.
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(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/LabRat3947/guns.jpg)
convergence ? :devil :rofl
just kidding :old:
LtngRydr
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I have the opposite problem. When I get out of the 38 and fly something else I usually think the guns suck.
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(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/LabRat3947/guns.jpg)
convergence ? :devil :rofl
just kidding :old:
LtngRydr
The P-38 has its convergence set to "ON."
:aok
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I've spent the last 6 months working on my aim. I can finally hold my hit% in the 5 range most of the month. Which if you read Lusche's tables means I'm above average :neener:
I'm not a hunter, nor could I ever shoot hoops, nor many other sports that involved "aiming" (other than hockey, I could aim a puck :devil ) so this "aiming thing has always been a problem for me. It is however "trainable". The problem as Del mentioned is the time involved. You could spend hundreds of hours to get it tuned in, take a break for a week or so and be pretty much back to square one. It comes back quicker, but if your not spending the time, it is hard to get good at it. Seeing I have a life outside of this game.... I know, I keep trying to get rid of it but the wife is pretty insistent I stick with it! My aim has pretty much always been terrible.
Some tips for those looking for the magic aim point. (there really are a couple hundred of them if you really want to know).
Film your fights and watch for when you shoot. Everyone has a place they like to shoot at, your place may not be the same as theirs! Me, I shoot at 400-450 most times. I fly more "energy" type planes than I do turners and so my passes are setup shot more than snap shots. So I set my convergence at 425. SET YOUR CONVERGENCE WHERE YOU SHOOT! If some hot shot sets his at 225 and you never get that close to a guy that convergence is going to hurt you.
Sites, I went back and forth with Bustr on sites and aiming. What I learned is I really don't have ANY idea what he is talking about most of the time :D He has studied this stuff a long time and knows it inside out. If you have any questions, send him a note, but be warned, what he sends back often doesn't make sense for a while. What I did learn is that the bullet drop does come into play in this game.... gravity sucks! While I KNOW there is a drop I found myself still putting the pipper ON the target in a "6" shot and never hitting. I have since adjusted my site so the pipper sits "that" much lower so I don't have to remember.
Most shots are "crossing" type of shots. Figuring "lead" has always been a big issue for me. More often than not I was behind and with some rudder kick I might hit their tail. :( By watching my films, and other players as well, I figured out that in most crossing shots that I set up, at my 400 range and basic normal speed of my passes (yes all that comes into play which is why there are hundreds of "magic aim points"), if I started firing when the nose of the enemy plane touched my HUD glass I was in the "ballpark" for my lead. I added a circle as big as I could get on the site and now have a "marker" that I can see (yellow ring as apposed to the edge of the HUD art work) that clues me in for when I need to shoot by.
Third is your stick controls. If your controls are "bouncy" your going to be spraying all over the place. Most of it can be adjusted out. Hook up with Morph in the TA. He will fly right behind you and watch your surfaces and tell you which one are moving when you shoot. He got most of mine cleaned up and the only real bounce I have left is the adrenalin I have when I get in close for my shot :D
These are the things I did and worked on over the last 6 months that have helped me. There is no magic convergence, there is no magic aim point, there is no magic stick setup, there is no magic move to set up that kill shot. I have adapted my aim to the way I fly, not adapted my flying to how others aim. Watch your films and adjust to how you fly. You can watch other films as well, but learn aiming from those that fly more like you do. Case in point, I have a few films of Greebo in his F6. While the F6 isn't really an energy fighter (it does pretty well used that way tho) for a lot of Greebos shots he is in a stance that looks very close to a energy pass. He flies with great SA, maneuvers when someone makes a pass and is more often than not lined up for a crossing shot as the bandit completes his pass. has speed, and angle being very close what I would have on a pass and so his "lead" looks a lot like the one I use. On the other hand Soulyss seems to almost be sitting in the other plane before he shoots!
The point here is to adjust how YOU aim to how YOU fly.
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The firepower of the P-38 is pretty deadly. My aim, on the other hand, is awful. If I can actually hit my target, I do lots of damage.
Randy, I have seen you fly a few times. You are getting pretty good. Don't give up on this wonderful plane.
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p38 has my favourite gun package :old:
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p38 has my favourite gun package :old:
More than the Mossie's? You sure you're from New Zealand?
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More than the Mossie's? You sure you're from New Zealand?
I'm from England. :airplane:
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I'm from England. :airplane:
See, the voices in my head told me not to like you!
:rofl
<---- English/Scot descendant
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Randy, if you want your aim to be good, you need to work on it. Aim is a very perishable skill and tends to be the first one to go after a Aces High vacation.
Work on the drones offline until you can 'one pass' them from any angle at any speed; those drones take more damage than planes normally can and keep flying. When you start putting the entire package of the 38 together, I'd recommend considering turning off tracers. Too many people aim with the tracers instead of gunsight, not to mention it gives the bandit warning and can even tell him which way to jink to avoid fire.
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One more thing, gun accuracy can save your bacon and is arguably the most important skill in Aces High. For example, earlier this week I was flying along in a low speed climb and I didn't realize that my icons were off. I looked around briefly and saw an aircraft dropping down on my 6 o'clock. I sloppily broke hard into him and fortunately he missed, as I could now tell he was a 109K.
I waited for him to come back down and desperately tried to build up my energy reserves. He came down, dropped beneath me for a moment and I had less than a second for a snapshot. I got lucky and the rounds I fired entered the cockpit. If I missed, I would of been nose low against a 109K with alt and angles on me, aka 'deadmeat'.
QFT
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One more thing, gun accuracy can save your bacon and is arguably the most important skill in Aces High. For example, earlier this week I was flying along in a low speed climb and I didn't realize that my icons were off. I looked around briefly and saw an aircraft dropping down on my 6 o'clock. I sloppily broke hard into him and fortunately he missed, as I could now tell he was a 109K.
I waited for him to come back down and desperately tried to build up my energy reserves. He came down, dropped beneath me for a moment and I had less than a second for a snapshot. I got lucky and the rounds I fired entered the cockpit. If I missed, I would of been nose low against a 109K with alt and angles on me, aka 'deadmeat'.
I remember that :uhoh
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I'm from England. :airplane:
That fails as an excuse in this case. :p
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Randy, if you want your aim to be good, you need to work on it. Aim is a very perishable skill and tends to be the first one to go after a Aces High vacation.
I didnt play for most of Feb and now I can't get a kill in a 38 to save my life. I thought my aim was bad before my break. Now it is unbearable and making me dislike the game (because clearly its the games fault :lol)
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...(because clearly its the games fault :lol)
YES!! YESS!!!
Finally. Someone who understands! :old:
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Maybe it is just me but the P38 seems to be castrated.
It's just you.
ack-ack
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Maybe it is just me but the P38 seems to be castrated.
If you think P38 is castrated, try a Yak U for a while then go back to the P38 it will feel like a GAU-8 has been strapped to the nose.
<S>...-Gixer
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I was reading all the great replies and trying to take them all in as they are filled with good advice. Yap, I did screw up the names. It was the Seafire off the CV.
I should have worded my thoughts better. I sure didn't mean to downgrade the P38. Thank you Delirium for help straightening out my intent.
I was trying to figure out why the Seafire seemed to have more destructive power than the P38. After going through the replies, I understand the error in my thoughts.
One notable point is I was able to get closer, quicker for shots with the great turning Seafire in the furball like situations I was in taking off from the CV. So it was really an apple, orange situation when comparing the Seafire to the P38. Add to that, my poor shooting skills. I thank you all for the suggested ways to get better. I will take them all to heart. Practice, practice, practice.
Last night I also made a couple of changes that helped with the visual aspect of the shot. Bustr posted a P51 sight that I really liked. As Fugitive noted a sight is no magic bullet but this one seemed to fit in my style. Second, Latrobe posted a thread on FOV. I have tried going up with the FOV but had not tried down. I set the FOV to 95 after a few trials. This FOV gave me a better view for shoot making. These two changes had me taking wings off with the P38.
Thanks again for all the replies.
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FOV is probably the most over looked thing when it comes to gunnery skill. Just like you, I was turning it up more and more thinking I'd be able to line up crossing shots better. Little did I know, more does not equal better. :o
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The Me410 with the MK103 loadout has the best gun package in the game, but the Me410 airframe is pathetic compared to the P-38 airframe.
The Mosquito Mk VI also has a superior gun package, and while the Mosquito airframe is better than the P-38G, it is not as good as the P-38J or L.
Except I don't like that Mk103 are on the same trigger and the 20mms.
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The Me410 with the MK103 loadout has the best gun package in the game, but the Me410 airframe is pathetic compared to the P-38 airframe.
The Mosquito Mk VI also has a superior gun package, and while the Mosquito airframe is better than the P-38G, it is not as good as the P-38J or L.
Depends on the mission. The Mossi can bust up a horde of enemy tanks a lot easier than a P38x can. ;) Total weight favors the P38L, but the P38L can't match the 4/500 lbs or the quad Hispanos. The Mossi is more of a challenge to fly, but it can do more ultimately. YMMV. :)
Oh.... and regarding the P38's firepower: remember that it was designed from the start as a bomber interceptor. The guns it has are meant to bust up bombers and they do a very good job at it. The quad .50's and the single 20mm are more than enough to get the job done. The trajectory is very similar as is the velocity, so the rounds will hit in very close proximity and when they do that is all she wrote for that target.
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Do you P38 guys fire all guns or leave the canon as secondary?
Do you load out with the larger ammo package?
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Do you P38 guys fire all guns or leave the canon as secondary?
Tickle with the 50's first... sometimes that's all you need. Pour the cannon on when you're getting hits.
Do you load out with the larger ammo package?
At least one P-38 pilot who is better than I replied he always takes the heavier package when I asked him. I would guess the lighter package does help turning a small bit, but since my aim often fails me, more boolits equals more better for me. I think I read somewhere the difference is negated somewhat by the extra weight being in the nose as opposed to the wings.
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Unless you're dueling, take the larger gun package. It is ahead of the CoG and the impact is minimal.
(Sent from my Droid)
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Do you P38 guys fire all guns or leave the canon as secondary?
Do you load out with the larger ammo package?
I normally fire all guns. But sometimes I will use just the 50's if I am not sure of getting a hit (which is a lot of the time) I can use the tracers from the 50's to spot my shot, then cut in the cannon.
If I remember correctly, the 20mm will give about 20 seconds of continuous fire. And the 50's will give about 40 seconds of continuous fire.
Nope, I was wrong. The 20mm will give about 14 seconds of continuous fire.
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Do you P38 guys fire all guns or leave the canon as secondary?
Do you load out with the larger ammo package?
I've got the .50s mapped to the primary trigger and the 20mm to the secondary trigger. I only use the larger ammo package as why limit yourself unnecessarily? It's an AH urban myth that taking the lesser ammo package will increase maneuverability, don't buy into it.
ack-ack
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Do you P38 guys fire all guns or leave the canon as secondary?
Do you load out with the larger ammo package?
On my X52, the trigger is two stage. The first stage I have set for the primary (.50s) and the second stage for All guns. When it comes to firing all of them, a lot of things come into play such as the plane type I'm shooting at and the shot I have. If it is an easy shot on a plane such as a A6M (which catches fire if you just look at it wrong) for a very close range shot I tend to save my cannon rounds and just fire the .50s. But, most of the time I fire all guns.
I've always take the larger gun package. As Delirium and AKAK both said, the differences in maneuverability are very slim, and the extra ammo just means not having to go Winchester as soon.
#S#
Josh
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Watching how many kills some of you land in the HOST message. In the MA take everything you can stuff in that plane you can go piu, piu, piu with, including your flair gun. Then piu with it all. It's going to dissapere faster than you want it to. Same goes for Jug pilots. HiTech givith, so takeith and spreadith it amongst the heathens freely and thrice on sundays.
If you are worried about ammo that much, fly a Yak9u for awhile. After that, the P38 will feel like unlimited ammo.
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Watching how many kills some of you land in the HOST message. In the MA take everything you can stuff in that plane you can go piu, piu, piu with, including your flair gun. Then piu with it all. It's going to dissapere faster than you want it to. Same goes for Jug pilots. HiTech givith, so takeith and spreadith it amongst the heathens freely and thrice on sundays.
If you are worried about ammo that much, fly a Yak9u for awhile. After that, the P38 will feel like unlimited ammo.
Yak 9T not much better, but the 37mm is great for de-acking. :aok
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The full load seems to be unanimous. Me too then.
I will have to work on the trigger set up.
Thanks for the replies.
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I've always taken the smaller package in my 38 unless I was bomber hunting. Even with 800 50cals I can still get up to 7-8 kills in 1 run. I fire the 50's and the 20mm together. I run out of cannon at about 100 rounds of 50cal left.
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I carry the full load and use two triggers.
When I see sprites from the .50s, I tap the cannon. :old:
LtngRydr
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Gents, Randy is a good guy attempting to learn Aces High and is a fairly new player. Don't be nasty! :angel:
I agree from what I have seen in the game.
Randy,
I have come across you upping your 38 from completely capped fields on numerous occasions now. Trust me...from a luftwaffles perspective...the 38's firepower is devastating, and rule one is never allow a 38 to get you in his sights. However...no firepower in the world is going to get you good results upping under a vultch. Especially a cannon bird vultch. It is the wrong choice of planes/situations, if your objective is to ruin the vultchers fun.
If you want to utilize the 38 in this role...fall back man. Get some altitude...be that 'High 38' upping from the next field over, who is in turn... vultching the vultchers. This is where the lightning excels, and you will realize the formidable firepower which it brings.
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As a follow up I did some calculation based on balistic velocities, and it turns out the a .50 cal has about 50% of the kenectic energy at 1000yrds than it has a 400 yrds, and 30% of what it has at 120yrds.
So you have to hit with 2X as many rounds at 1000yrds as you do at 400yrds.
Meaning the cannons have a big advantage at distances over 400yrds since the HE portion of the damage model doesn't drop with distance.
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+1 on stampf, randy you may want to be more picky about the fights you choose, especially in a p38
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i mapped all together i fire both. 38 is such a target i like to hit hard and move on
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I'm with Twinboom on that count; hit hard, kill the target and move on. A couple extra seconds is a long time when most of the arena make a bee-line for you after slow perk rides are dead.
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I'll chime in here as well. I take the full ammo load, I don't consider the weight savings worth the trade off in trigger time. Besides with my aim I need all the ammo I can carry.
I have the MG's mapped seperately so I can fire them w/out the cannon depending on the situation, or I can fire both/all guns. I like having the flexibility to decide based on the situation to save my more limited cannon ammo for when I really need it.
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I made some changes to help my aiming and it is paying off. There is no doubt now my aiming was lame not the 38's firepower. I am pushing myself each day to improve in the P38. I went back to a mustang for a pickup mission, and realized I am hooked on the 38. :O And to think, I was so close to going to the dark-side not long ago. :salute
After Latrobe's FOV post and with a Squad mates suggestion, I changed my FOV setting to 93. At y'all's suggestion, I switched to the large ammo load out and switched the MG to the trigger and the canon to the secondary. At 93 on my screen it pushes you in a more realistic view and somewhat of a constant zoom. With the the TrackIR it is perfect.
It took awhile to to get use to the new trigger arrangement but it has paid off. I can tickle a red guy at 1000 out enough that he will stop a run giving me a good shot on his or her turn. I can also take a few low percentage shots without using up my canon. if you can get use to a two trigger mapping with the larger load out, it might be worth the missed victories up front while you train another digit.
Thanks again for showing me the way to fight with the P38.