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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Ack-Ack on April 03, 2013, 04:55:27 PM
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When the A-20G/Boston III get revamps to current standards, I would like to see the addition of the ordnance option to select rockets.
The A-20G was able to carry 12 4.5 inch rockets mounted under the wings using the T30 rocket launcher (same bazooka launcher for the P-38G/J rockets), giving the Havoc even more of a bang. These were not field modifications and were used often in combat missions. Below is a photo of an A-20G with the 8th Bombardment Squadron (Light) in New Guinea showing the front view of the bazooka launchers.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/8thSqdnA-20_with_rocket_lanchers_attachedEdShookFlewMsnLikeThis_zps865a5e13.jpg)
This is another A-20G from the 90th Attack Squadron in New Guinea, showing the rear view of the bazooka launchers(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/air_havoc8_zpse5b39472.jpg)
The Boston III were also able to use 4.5 inch rockets, but utilized a different launcher and were able to mount 4 rockets under each wing.
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/3214-7/raf-a20-rocket.jpg)
Closer view of the rockets.
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/3217-7/raf-a20-rockets.jpg)
And while I'm at it, I would also like to see an option for the A-20G to have the option of being able to select the quad 20mm nose cannon package. Over 200 were produced, and while the USAAF wasn't happy with it due to the cannon's unreliability, the cannon equipped A-20Gs were passed off to the Soviets that used them to great effect.
ack-ack
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It would certainly help people notice the Boston a bit more. I say give the capability to the Boston and leave the A20 "as is". :aok
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I'm a +1 for the rockets, but on the fence about the cannons.
I would be glad to see the cannons added on the condition that you can swap them out with what we have in game now (I think it's 6 50 cal...).
Maybe these options would have the A-20 see more action than to just simply attack the GVs that are swarming the base. 12 rockets would make it more than useful in deacking a field or town.
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I'm a +1 for the rockets, but on the fence about the cannons.
I would be glad to see the cannons added on the condition that you can swap them out with what we have in game now (I think it's 6 50 cal...).
Maybe these options would have the A-20 see more action than to just simply attack the GVs that are swarming the base. 12 rockets would make it more than useful in deacking a field or town.
The cannon package would be an option and not replace the current configuration. Though, it would probably need to be perked, otherwise the 6x .50 package would probably never be chosen as all would take the quad cannons instead.
ack-ack
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The cannon package would be an option and not replace the current configuration. Though, it would probably need to be perked, otherwise the 6x .50 package would probably never be chosen as all would take the quad cannons instead.
ack-ack
I have no problem with the quad cannons if that option were perked, as you note here. I agree with your assessment that the .50 armed A-20G would be all but extinct otherwise.
As to the rockets, the more options the merrier. They would make a nice addition.
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while were at it the A-26 :D :pray :D
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This site has some good info, but nothing said about rockets...IMHO more proof needed
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=186
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The quad 20 option allso retains the 2 cheek .50s making it still have 6 guns in the nose :bolt:
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I'm in full support of the 20mm option being perked... but since I have yet to see a load out option be perked, I'm assuming that it would just be added as a different plane.
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Bostons with rockets?
Formations of rocket boats. :rock :x
Now i wonder, do we have any formation planes that can fire rockets?
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Now i wonder, do we have any formation planes that can fire rockets?
Ardos can fire rockets, but not for the same reason the Bostons would carry them :D
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I'm an A20 driver...
Hell yes, lets hang some more watermelon that goes bang on it..
Or better yet, just give us "light bomber guys", the A26...
Why not a 1/2 assed chance in a genuine latewar light bomber!
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This site has some good info, but nothing said about rockets...IMHO more proof needed
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=186
Here you go.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,288751.0.html
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I like the idea of a Boston with eight rockets, though I imagine you would only be able to take them up in attack mode. Low bomber formations get chewed up most of the time, and a rocket strafing run with a formation of Bostons, while undoubtedly fun, would just give the masses more bones to chew on. Then again, I guess it's up to the player to decide how to dispose of their cartoon aircraft.
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A couple of A-20s with the rockets and a crapload of parafrags in the bomb bay laying waste to a town would be fun.
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Bostons with rockets?
Formations of rocket boats. :rock :x
Now i wonder, do we have any formation planes that can fire rockets?
Actually, that would be a HUGE nod to historical accuracy. Rockets were used as an "area effect" weapon, not a precisely aimed weapon. Sure, there were exceptions to the rule like the German Pb1's from the 190F-8, but that is about it.
I think it would be good to see a formation of Boston's in a shallow dive launching rockets from a distance on town. :aok THAT would bring a while new element to AH, no doubt.
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Actually, that would be a HUGE nod to historical accuracy. Rockets were used as an "area effect" weapon, not a precisely aimed weapon. Sure, there were exceptions to the rule like the German Pb1's from the 190F-8, but that is about it.
I think it would be good to see a formation of Boston's in a shallow dive launching rockets from a distance on town. :aok THAT would bring a while new element to AH, no doubt.
typhoons after D-Day?
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typhoons after D-Day?
Typhoons used the rockets as an "area effect" weapon as an SOP. They may have fired them at a specific target, but certainly not 2 rockets vs a static target with precision aiming like we do here in AH. Typhoon, Mossi's, etc, P47's, etc, they all fired their rockets as an area effect weapon. There is a reason the rockets were usually all fired in one pass. ;)
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Usually, yes, though there is that footage of a Tiffie firing two rockets at a time, nailing a curving road way with each pair.
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Usually, yes, though there is that footage of a Tiffie firing two rockets at a time, nailing a curving road way with each pair.
Indeed. Fired in a single pass though.
This the one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwN3ZvIe6Yc
This shows some nice footage as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=PgTJZ_cWaT0
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Indeed. Fired in a single pass though.
This the one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwN3ZvIe6Yc
Yup. Yes, single pass, but not salvoed all at once.
I am still very impressed with his accuracy with the things compared to, well, every other bit of footage I've seen.
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Typhoons used the rockets as an "area effect" weapon as an SOP. They may have fired them at a specific target, but certainly not 2 rockets vs a static target with precision aiming like we do here in AH. Typhoon, Mossi's, etc, P47's, etc, they all fired their rockets as an area effect weapon. There is a reason the rockets were usually all fired in one pass. ;)
That is not true for coastal command Mosquitoes and Beaufighters. They made excellent use of rockets against ships which are not an area target. They did however fire them in a single salvo for three reasons: One was to do as much damage on the first pass given the murderous AA return fire. The second is that they attacked in a swarm and each plane had to make its pass and move out of the way of the other planes. The third was they they also strafed the target with the 20mm on the same pass and firing a full salvo freed them to aim the guns.
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Here you go.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,288751.0.html
Ok lots of pics with rockets.....did any where in there did it say FACTORY made or how many. I thought that in order to have in AH it had to be factory made and widely used....oops I am wrong.....look at the 163.....it's here so why not A20 with rockets...you all win :salute
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Ok lots of pics with rockets.....did any where in there did it say FACTORY made or how many. I thought that in order to have in AH it had to be factory made and widely used....oops I am wrong.....look at the 163.....it's here so why not A20 with rockets...you all win :salute
Can't find anything about factory made. How ever you can say the same about the nose loaded B-25C's these were not done by the factory. They were field modifications done in Australia.
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The 4 20MM cannon were used on the P70 nightfighter version ( i thought ) and I believe there were drag issues associated with the rocket launchers. I believe the first 250 A20G were produced with a 4x20MM/2 x 50calgun package to which the the cannon were found unreliable and replaced with 50 cals.
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Don''t get me wrong I would be all for adding that to the A20's options.
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:airplane: Don't want to start an argument, but, why not take a P-38L, instead of modifying the A-20. Its faster, more capable of defending itself and it already has the 20MM cannon, although only 150 rounds. Smaller target for the ack as well.
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:airplane: Don't want to start an argument, but, why not take a P-38L, instead of modifying the A-20. Its faster, more capable of defending itself and it already has the 20MM cannon, although only 150 rounds. Smaller target for the ack as well.
People have different preferences. Also, the P-38 doesn't carry eight 500lb bombs.
(The A-20G fans reacted badly when I told them to use a Mosquito Mk VI if they wanted four nose mounted Hispanos.)
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Something tells me the majority of you aren't upping panthers and tigers very often.
Perk the A20, it is by far and away the only plane to me that perk wise doesn't make sense. How is it that you can up from a field with one and destroy another player's perk ride within 45 seconds to 2mins+ depending on how long it takes you to find them and kill their perk (and not have this thing perked?) Compare that reasoning to the same behind our other perk rides. Its so easy you could do it $#@&faced and with one hand, F3 mode and no fighter ever comes close, but if they do run to ack and repeat.
A20 w/rockets, sure 15perks.
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Something tells me the majority of you aren't upping panthers and tigers very often.
Perk the A20, it is by far and away the only plane to me that perk wise doesn't make sense. How is it that you can up from a field with one and destroy another player's perk ride within 45 seconds to 2mins+ depending on how long it takes you to find them and kill their perk (and not have this thing perked?) Compare that reasoning to the same behind our other perk rides. Its so easy you could do it $#@&faced and with one hand, F3 mode and no fighter ever comes close, but if they do run to ack and repeat.
A20 w/rockets, sure 15perks.
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That comment makes no sense. If the A-20G can bomb and kill you, the P-51D, P-47D-25, -40, P-47N, P-38, F4U-1D, -1C, -4, Bf110G-2, Fw190F-8, Me410, Mosquito and Typhoon can all do the same. The A-20G has no magical ability to kill GVs, it just carries a lot of bombs, but at the expense of being vulnerable to fighters.
Also, the 4.5" rockets are, at least in my tests, incapable of hurting a Tiger II. Even the British 60lb rockets couldn't hurt it. Only the Fw190F-8's rockets were a threat.
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That comment makes no sense. If the A-20G can bomb and kill you, the P-51D, P-47D-25, -40, P-47N, P-38, F4U-1D, -1C, -4, Bf110G-2, Fw190F-8, Me410, Mosquito and Typhoon can all do the same. The A-20G has no magical ability to kill GVs, it just carries a lot of bombs, but at the expense of being vulnerable to fighters.
Also, the 4.5" rockets are, at least in my tests, incapable of hurting a Tiger II. Even the British 60lb rockets couldn't hurt it. Only the Fw190F-8's rockets were a threat.
The fighters you mentioned except for a couple have a limitation of two bombs. If you don't think the A20 has magical ability, then you don't bomb**** (ty for not btw) or you don't gv much. I'll tell you how I can prove it, look up my A20 stats, I only fly it as last resort base defense, I have never practiced dive bombing and I get the kill almost every time with one bomb. I don't think I've ever killed a gv in a fighter that wasn't already damaged. So that proves I can't b****, but yet I can magically hit any gv that gets in front of the Havoc, luck? Too many times for it to be luck. Also you failed to address F3 mode, 600ft over town see enemy at 5k run for base ack come back, simple, no fighter has anything close to the advantages, thus you don't see ppl upping to kill a gv nearly as often with a fighter.
Finally, "vulnerable" to fighters, depends on how you look at that one too, A20 is a magical HO monster too. And, I don't use Tiger 2's, terribly slow and ballistics are poor, nor do I see many others using it either. With the exception of those concrete huggers.
I understand, (edit) some ppl dislike the gv aspect, 'tis ok. Not saying you do, but...
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P.S. Also forgot to mention how much damage they take from wirbs and still land 3-4 kills...
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They are good GV killers, no doubt. I didn't address the F3 thing because I don't think it plays nearly as big a role as people make it out to be playing.
As to its vulnerability, I have spent time hunting them by flying over GV fights looking for them. It is able to absorb punishment well, but I've not ever been seriously threatened by one.
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I am officially re-naming my A-20 " The Magic HO Monster " :banana: :banana:
Not all of us havoc dweebs spend countless hours dropping eggs on cockroaches,tour 157 i have 235 kills in an A-20 and only 9 are GVs
hardly a threat to the ground war eh.
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I am officially re-naming my A-20 " The Magic HO Monster " :banana: :banana:
Not all of us havoc dweebs spend countless hours dropping eggs on cockroaches,tour 157 i have 235 kills in an A-20 and only 9 are GVs
hardly a threat to the ground war eh.
Yes, but your misuse of it, however successful you are at misusing it, is not representative of how it is used for most of its sorties in AH. As I said, I have never been seriously threatened by one, but I doubt that would be true if I had fought yours.
As a note, an A-20G pilot who flew them against the Japanese told a group of us that they were not allowed to roll it inverted. It simply was never flown as a fighter like you use it in AH.
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allmost forgot,speaking of rockets on havocs....
R.A.T.O s
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c150/cobia38/051118-F-1234P-058.jpg)
these are not photoshop BTW
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c150/cobia38/051118-F-1234P-054.jpg)
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+1 - they carried them - no reason why we shouldn't.
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I am officially re-naming my A-20 " The Magic HO Monster " :banana: :banana:
Not all of us havoc dweebs spend countless hours dropping eggs on cockroaches,tour 157 i have 235 kills in an A-20 and only 9 are GVs
hardly a threat to the ground war eh.
MAGIC in more ways than HO monster.....and sorry to say not in a good way...enough said :bolt:
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RATO +1 , as for perking it you might as well perk everything else that carries a bomb as to they are all threats to gv's ( see SBD, TBM, P40, etc ). The A-20 is a ground attack aircraft so anything on the ground is in play regardless of whether it is a gv, town or aircraft on the ground( parafrags ).
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I am officially re-naming my A-20 " The Magic HO Monster " :banana: :banana:
:lol
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Also, the 4.5" rockets are, at least in my tests, incapable of hurting a Tiger II. Even the British 60lb rockets couldn't hurt it. Only the Fw190F-8's rockets were a threat.
I've destroyed two King Tigers with rockets. The first I used the Germam Pb1 rockets to the broadside and the second was a British 3in/60 Pdr SAP rocket to the rear via a Mossi. Everything else has bounced off, but that is typical for most armor though. It has been along time since I've used the Soviet RS 82/132 rockets and the US 4.5 and 5in rockets vs tanks.
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here's a tiger getting killed with a single rocket from a ponyd. was pure luck as all I was trying to do was mark him for the ground tanks.
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/tiger3.png)
semp
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here's a tiger getting killed with a single rocket from a ponyd. was pure luck as all I was trying to do was mark him for the ground tanks.
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/tiger3.png)
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That is a Tiger I, not a Tiger II.
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They are good GV killers, no doubt. I didn't address the F3 thing because I don't think it plays nearly as big a role as people make it out to be playing.
As to its vulnerability, I have spent time hunting them by flying over GV fights looking for them. It is able to absorb punishment well, but I've not ever been seriously threatened by one.
Taking away F3 will seriously reduce its use as a fighter. The rear sector visibility from the cockpit would make you wish you were in an F6F.
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As a note, an A-20G pilot who flew them against the Japanese told a group of us that they were not allowed to roll it inverted. It simply was never flown as a fighter like you use it in AH.
It's also stated in the pilot's manual.
ack-ack
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Taking away F3 will seriously reduce its use as a fighter. The rear sector visibility from the cockpit would make you wish you were in an F6F.
actually the rear veiw is far better then a F6,you should try it