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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Plawranc on April 03, 2013, 11:30:28 PM
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1) Fly a fast aircraft
Nothing helps you stay alive better than an aeroplane with speed. Speed allows you to disengage from a disadvantageous fight and survive to RTB. It also allows you to dictate terms of the fight. You can choose to engage when you have the speed advantage, and can ultimately dictate the fight.
However fast aircraft generally have poor turning performance, (unless flying the 109 or Spitfire XVI), so play to your strengths.
2) Never fight fair
However sportsmanlike or "combat orientated" the game-play may seem, NEVER, engage unless you are certain of victory. If there is more than one, fall back to an area where friendlies are flying, this allows you to shoot the enemy off their tails and allows your friendlies to do the same for you. Also, if the pilot is better than you, the 1st point about speed allows you to disengage and survive and perhaps turn the tables later.
It is also worthy of note that use of altitude is your best option when adopting this method.
3) Don't HO.
Head On attacks are generally a case of MAD or Mutually Assured Destruction. You will both die if you HO. Unless you adopt a HOing aircraft such as a 190, NIKI, Typhoon,110 or 410. These attacks are generally inadvisable. Always avoid the HO by diving underneath, and then pulling into an Immelman or High Yo-Yo. To position yourself behind the enemy.
4) When in doubt, disengage
If at any time your situation is beginning to look grim. Disengage and fly home and or climb to altitude away from the fight.
Hope this helps
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You are kidding.... aren't you? :huh
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^^ It is sarcastic.
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I find this kind of sarcasm inappropriate for the Help & Training section. IMHO trolling, misleading information, joking is all okay in the general forum... but in here it is being misunderstood and mistaken for genuine help quite easily.
A new player looking for help (and that's the kind of folks coming to this section) won't be able to detect the sarcasm. He's very likely to take it as a regular advice by a "trainer".
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Agreed...that being said, everything he posted will improve your scores...if that really matters to you.
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Agreed...that being said, everything he posted will improve your scores...
Not even that. It may have good effect on a player's K/D, but quite often not on his score ;)
If I were to write a real "how to get a good score/rank" it would read a bit different :old:
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You can stay in the top 500 each tour simply by toolshedding town centers for a few hours each month. Not that I would ever do that. :angel:
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Not even that. It may have good effect on a player's K/D, but quite often not on his score ;)
If I were to write a real "how to get a good score/rank" it would read a bit different :old:
Lusche, thx for steppig in and pointing out how these types of post are inappropiate for this forum. That said if you were so inclined a write up by you on how to improve score would be a welcomed addition.
It's not that I care about score but many players do and having an outline to point them to would be of great help.
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Lusche, thx for steppig in and pointing out how these types of post are inappropiate for this forum. That said if you were so inclined a write up by you on how to improve score would be a welcomed addition.
It's not that I care about score but many players do and having an outline to point them to would be of great help.
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Not to be a "you know what", but the best way to get a good score is to get good at the many aspects of the game. :P
Yes there are ways to "game the game" to enhance ones score, but is that something we want a training paper on? Just a thought.
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Not to be a "you know what", but the best way to get a good score is to get good at the many aspects of the game. :P
Yes there are ways to "game the game" to enhance ones score, but is that something we want a training paper on? Just a thought.
I wasnt thinking of a step by step on how to game the game Fugi,but more along the lines of if you do A,B and C this will help improve your rank or score. AH is complex with many variables,I dont promote any "type" of game play. I do think that there is a benefit to having the imformation available for those who seek to be #1 in ranking.
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People are argueing that the OP is wrong and for the most part they are right. The OP only really highlighted a single aspect, and had he made the following disclaimer in some form it may of validated the post, but instead it has highlighted it as being quite misleading (and it is).
It is a known fact that avoiding death also means you avoid the richest fights. Avoiding any fight means your spending time not fighting and generatign kills, but fleeing and keeping distance. A low kills per hour/time is one way to quickly and noticabley pork (inflate) you fighter score, especialy at the highest levels of competing for top spots.
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This is a big help to new players.
I would like to add ,this should help there ACM and there SA in leaps and bounds.
You have giving them many good points on how to fly better and enjoy the game to its most.
Or you just showed new players how to make a look at me thread.
One of theme..
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Lusche, thx for steppig in and pointing out how these types of post are inappropiate for this forum. That said if you were so inclined a write up by you on how to improve score would be a welcomed addition.
It's not that I care about score but many players do and having an outline to point them to would be of great help.
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I thought this was intended to be a positive response to what the OP presented as the way to improve fighter score.
It was not about gaming the game but instead an invitation for Lusche to offer his advice to help new players (and some not so new, ie: me) based on his vast experience and obvious willingness to help based on the posts I have seen.
:salute morf
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How to improvie score, what ever. How to improve K/D seems pretty accurate. If you were giving a briefing to a new fighter pilot it would include these points.
Boo
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Lusche is quite generous, but he's not a charity. He primarily accepts bribes in money and goods, as well as the usual lavish praising.
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Oh great so we are now teaching new players to be even more timid? :bhead :devil
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being fighter #1 requires in a perfect equilibrium between aggressiveness and defensiveness, and a few bomber kills for the points :bolt:
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Oh great so we are now teaching new players to be even more timid? :bhead :devil
haha I might put some of my double digit one run temp sorties.. I always felt if you had 5k of give above grouund in one was about right right. but then again I only found out u could go above 15k alt by going afk autoclimbing!!
to fly with caution and always gain as much as altitude as possible over your opponent was about the first things I heard or glanced at. I didn't study how to play but...
to me it was the most off putting misleading advices. Keep it lowish and you'll get to fight a lot. Getting shot down sucks so, get shot down. If you got the warrior spirit !! instead of the deskjockey spirit- who would not like getting shot down but who's reaction would be to.. "I'm gonna avoid getting into a fight like that and make sure I can just attack and go if it's not happening the 1 way I know how to deal with". If you a warrior you want to get right back into that same situation and redeem yourself. If you learn how survive and win the tough risky fights is when you become a great warrior of pixelplane! Attacking people then zooming away is not fighting. It is tedious and slow as well.
if you spend the majority of your time with a safety first mentality you don't learn toejam. You'll get scared if a crow comes near you.
When you're actually more towards the top of skill ceiling you can bother about increasing fighter and attack scores... because it will be an easy process.. especially fighter rank.
the tempest isn't a secret but if you're not able to take the fight anywhere it goes then you'll be cruising, cruising gaybars.. Attack aggressively..
but like Mike Tyson, his strength was in his defensive awareness which also turned him into a fighter
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Dicta Boelke
1. Try to secure the upper hand before attacking. If possible, keep the sun behind you
2. Always continue with an attack you have begun
3. Open fire only at close range, and then only when the opponent is squarely in your sights
4. You should always try to keep your eye on your opponent, and never let yourself be deceived by ruses
5. In any type of attack, it is essential to assail your opponent from behind
6. If your opponent dives on you, do not try to get around his attack, but fly to meet it
7. When over the enemy's lines, always remember your own line of retreat
8. In principle, it is better to attack in groups of four or six. Avoid two aircraft attacking the same opponent
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Dicta Boelke
1. Try to secure the upper hand before attacking. If possible, keep the sun behind you
2. Always continue with an attack you have begun
3. Open fire only at close range, and then only when the opponent is squarely in your sights
4. You should always try to keep your eye on your opponent, and never let yourself be deceived by ruses
5. In any type of attack, it is essential to assail your opponent from behind
6. If your opponent dives on you, do not try to get around his attack, but fly to meet it
7. When over the enemy's lines, always remember your own line of retreat
8. In principle, it is better to attack in groups of four or six. Avoid two aircraft attacking the same opponent
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol dat ww1 biplane wisdom. I believe you forgot 9. Keep your secondary unholstered for when in pistoleering range. Do wave in courtesy before taking aim, as we allow the enemy to make ready for his meeting with our heavenly creator. A small gesture such as this will ensure you courtesy returned- with his recommendation for when it's your time to bow before our maker as you join his flock in heaven. YOU'RE GONNA DIE A HORRRIBLE DEATH YOU POOR SOD. Also who drank my bloody coffee in the tower? Was it you Milton? You devil you. May the enemy hit you square in the face with his sun advantage, and have you perish soon removed from my coffee.
This is usually what makes the difference between me getting a 2 kill sortie and a 15 kill sortie.
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I flew around like this thread suggests for the past 2 days and although you will die less it is deffinatly very boring and easy mode, i suppose if you did this for a bit just to get used to the game then learned how to properly fight it wouldnt be so bad but the fact that so many "top sticks" fly like this perminantly just not to lose there precious cartoon plane is daft, yes i can understand that everyone plays different and not everyone is into dogfighting but you cant come on ere talking like your some ACM god like most top sticks do if you fly like a panzy who is scared of his own farts......seriously bugs me to see some guy extend perminantly while im chasing him then as soon as i disengage his nads grow huge and he comes back because he wants to be the aggressor, some might call it smart but if i reverse you once in your pony im gna do it again and again until you are to slow and cant run or until your mates turn up then i will dodge them until my mates turn up then they kill you all while your low and slow chasing me :devil
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You guys know this is the help and training forum right? It's not the look at me I'm so great forum. Bino was kind enough to post the Dicta Boelke Rules of combat and others have the never to poke fun at it.
The OP has a title " how to improve you're fighter and attack score", now while I think it was done in jest new player will stumble upon this and read it to try to improve.
All the bravado and chest thumping does nothing to help and if that's all you have to add then maybe you n eed to post in the Oclub. I don't have to read the Oclub but I'm supposed to read and reply to posts in the help and training forum and I'd rather not have to waste my time reading nonsense that has little or nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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You guys know this is the help and training forum right? It's not the look at me I'm so great forum. Bino was kind enough to post the Dicta Boelke Rules of combat and others have the never to poke fun at it.
The OP has a title " how to improve you're fighter and attack score", now while I think it was done in jest new player will stumble upon this and read it to try to improve.
All the bravado and chest thumping does nothing to help and if that's all you have to add then maybe you n eed to post in the Oclub. I don't have to read the Oclub but I'm supposed to read and reply to posts in the help and training forum and I'd rather not have to waste my time reading nonsense that has little or nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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+1 :aok
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You guys know this is the help and training forum right? It's not the look at me I'm so great forum. Bino was kind enough to post the Dicta Boelke Rules of combat and others have the never to poke fun at it.
The OP has a title " how to improve you're fighter and attack score", now while I think it was done in jest new player will stumble upon this and read it to try to improve.
All the bravado and chest thumping does nothing to help and if that's all you have to add then maybe you n eed to post in the Oclub. I don't have to read the Oclub but I'm supposed to read and reply to posts in the help and training forum and I'd rather not have to waste my time reading nonsense that has little or nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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Agreed, my apologies........ :salute
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There is one parameter that you can't cheat in order to obtain a good score: the kill hit %. It's necessary to be at least at 10% for math reasons and also for confidence reasons, you need to be able to concretise any solid kill opportunity.
Saying that fighter score is a competition of timidness is nowhere close to get in top 10. K/d is only one of 6 parameters taken into account for calculation
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There is one parameter that you can't cheat in order to obtain a good score: the kill hit %.
"Cheat" is a very strong word in this context ;)
You surely can't influence it upwards as much as other categories, but you still can. Choice of weapons and targets can have a big impact on hit %. Attacking bombers a lot will boost yout hit%. If you are a versatile, good fighter pilot, using .50cal fighters like a F4U or a P-47 for buff hunting while using tater tossers like the 109K against fighters will boost it even more, while using the planes the other way around will have the opposite effect.
To give an example from my own experience: While my own hit % usually ends up at about 15%, it would drop to less than 10% if I would concentrate on dogfighting, while if I were to go buff hunting exclusively it would stay above 20%.
It's necessary to be at least at 10% for math reasons and also for confidence reasons
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By the way, usually less than 5% of all players get a fighter hit% of 10 or more... ;)
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sorry poor choice of words there, was typing on a blackberry between 2 interventions ^^
It's necessary to be at least at 10% for math reasons and also for confidence reasons
I meant that under 10% you will get no chance to get near #1 IMO, and that anyway if you can't make 10% its probably because you are not a "sure shot" and will not get the K/D and K/H anyway.
also I wanted to fix this
Saying that fighter score is a competition of timidness is nowhere close to get in top 10. K/d is only one of 6 parameters taken into account for calculation
I meant that if you think score is all about timidness, you never tried to get a good score.
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sorry poor choice of words there, was typing on a blackberry between 2 interventions ^^
I meant that under 10% you will get no chance to get near #1 IMO, and that anyway if you can't make 10% its probably because you are not a "sure shot" and will not get the K/D and K/H anyway.
Ah yes, that makes totally sense. For really getting to the top, a high shooting skill is indeed the ultimate prerequisite.
Not too long ago I made a statistical analysis of the top ranked fighter pilots. There was a huge variation in all categories, most notably in K/D (you don't need astonomical high K/D to become #1). Only hit% was a notable exception, that was the sub score with the least variation in it.
Or to put it in other words: You can find all kinds of players in the top 20, brave furballers, pickers, lone wolfes, hordelings, lame perk plane pilots or honorable ENY 30 drivers - but they have one thing in common: Being crack shooters.
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I posted this thread in a satirical manner.
Its like making fun of a serious crisis. You know its horrible but just stating the facts is funny.
The irony here is this. While I wrote this as a satirical statement against timidness so frequent in the Virtual skies of AH2. Following the advice I gave you can significantly improve your score. Because you don't die. Essentially, most fighter pilots fly the way I have described as it allows you to kill the enemy without him being able to kill you.
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I posted this thread in a satirical manner.
Its like making fun of a serious crisis. You know its horrible but just stating the facts is funny.
The irony here is this. While I wrote this as a satirical statement against timidness so frequent in the Virtual skies of AH2. Following the advice I gave you can significantly improve your score. Because you don't die. Essentially, most fighter pilots fly the way I have described as it allows you to kill the enemy without him being able to kill you.
I think we all know why you posted it.
The issue is where you posted it.
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The irony here is this. While I wrote this as a satirical statement against timidness so frequent in the Virtual skies of AH2. Following the advice I gave you can significantly improve your score. Because you don't die
No.
"Not dying" is only 1/5th of the fighter score. Placing extreme emphasis on that part does not improve the score significanlty. Most time it hurts. The equalisation 'protecting K/D' = 'protecting score' is simply wrong for the most part.
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Snail, im afraid, you still dont see his point ;)
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Snail, im afraid, you still dont see his point ;)
Actually Debrody, Lusche does he just chooses to ignore it and add substance to a thread that shouldn't have been posted in this forum.
You on the other hand are pushing an agenda of playing the game a certain way,of the 2 I prefer to read Lusche's comments as they add imformation that is usable to all players.
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PS: B4 you comment,plz read my posts above
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A low kills per hour/time is one way to quickly and noticabley pork (inflate) you fighter score, especialy at the highest levels of competing for top spots.
I'm not sure how to interpret what you're saying here:
You use the word "pork", which implies making something worse, but then you say inflate, as in improve? Assuming you're saying it will improve your fighter score---that is inaccurate. You can have the highest K/D in the game, but if your kills per time is low it "porks" your fighter score just like having a low hit percentage and low kill points. You have to have the right amount of risk/reward to get the top slot.
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PS: B4 you comment,plz read my posts above
I know, have read it all, im just a dyck ;)
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I'm not sure how to interpret what you're saying here:
You use the word "pork", which implies making something worse, but then you say inflate, as in improve? Assuming you're saying it will improve your fighter score---that is inaccurate. You can have the highest K/D in the game, but if your kills per time is low it "porks" your fighter score just like having a low hit percentage and low kill points. You have to have the right amount of risk/reward to get the top slot.
Then study this thing called English. :devil :bhead But seriously, if you're needing English lessons from me, then it's the blind leading the blind.
Pand, the only dumb question is one you don't ask, but c'mon now, you're yanking my chain on this one. The subject here is on ranking, not points!
Inflate
in·flate
verb (used with object)
1. to distend; swell or puff out; dilate: The king cobra inflates its hood.
2. to cause to expand or distend with air or gas: to inflate a balloon.
3. to puff up with pride, satisfaction, etc.
4. to elate.
5. Economics . to expand (money, prices, an economy, etc.) unduly in amount, value, or size; affect with inflation.
In the 3rd context it is misleading. However since this matter is, again, in regards to ranking, where 1 > 2, inflating ones rank is not constructive to achieving a better/higher rank. Although many do take pride and find satisfaction in kicking their score out the window, if you're reading this thread or looking into how to improve your fighter score, then chances are you care and don't take pride or satisfaction from inflating it.
Since apparently you slept through English more than I did:
A low kills per hour/time is one way to quickly and noticeably pork (inflate) you fighter score, especially at the highest levels of competing for top spots.
¿mejor comprende?
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no.
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I've been reading this thread since the OP when no one had replied yet. I, as with many others, rolled my eyes but I bit my tounge and walked away. After all, each player should be allowed to express their views, right or wrong.
I finally feel a need to post.
If you really want to improve your fighter rank (or bomber, vehicle or attack ranks) then the single best thing you can do is to improve the statistic within that rank that you're worst at, be it K/D, K/S, K/T, hit%, kill points, damage points, field captures or whatever else it could be. Improving that one worst stat will have the single largest effect on your rank.
Several years ago I played regularily for score/rank, normally ending tours in the top 50 overall and sometimes top 10. This was the method I used. I figured at the start if I could be top 1000 in every stat I had a chance. Later I refined that to top 500. If you can be top 500 in every single statitsical category you'll be a top 10 AH player.
No other shortcuts will get you there because, as others have pointed out, being the best in one or two areas doesn't cut it. I've been near the top in several individual stats in the past but failed miserably attaining overall rank in that category. You have to attain proficiency and balance in your overall gameplay.
I no longer play for score or rank. I now play simply for fun and do things I would have, at that time, thought stupid. I have more fun now but I'm glad I went through that phase in my time here.
I also went through a phase where I flew every fighter/attack plane available until I had a 2:1 K/D ratio in it for the tour (month). If you really want to be a better fighter pilot try that. You'll learn the strengths and weaknesses of every aircraft and be able to utilize that knowledge in a fight.
I know this is a long post so I'll get off my soapbox. I only hope I've helped someone find a new way to have fun in the game.
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Inflate
in·flate
verb (used with object)
1. to distend; swell or puff out; dilate: The king cobra inflates its hood.
2. to cause to expand or distend with air or gas: to inflate a balloon.
3. to puff up with pride, satisfaction, etc.
4. to elate.
5. Economics . to expand (money, prices, an economy, etc.) unduly in amount, value, or size; affect with inflation.
What you say is correct... Inflation of score (making your score a larger number, as in golf or Aces High) is in fact the opposite of what a person working to improve their score is trying to achieve; however, saying "I killed 50 aircraft in 4 hours and 12 minutes and didn't die once... I seriously deflated my score", just sounds weird.
I was led astray by your verbiage... When I think of improving my score, it would be to inflate my score for the better (i.e. getting closer to the top slot, or in almost every context a higher/inflated score is better than a lower/deflated one).
We're on the same page! :salute
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3) Don't HO.
...Always avoid the HO by diving underneath, and then pulling into an Immelman or High Yo-Yo. To position yourself behind the enemy.
Shhhhhh... Stop teaching them how to execute a post-merge turn.