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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: tuton25 on April 11, 2013, 09:47:09 PM
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I think the map we have now should be moved to the Mid and Early war areana only as it is to small for MA use...
It is nothing more than a huge furball in there....
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It is nothing more than a huge furball in there....
:cry I am stuck at work while there is a huge furball with Oscars and C20*s waiting in the hanger for me.
If the map generates a fight, that's a good thing.
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:cry I am stuck at work while there is a huge furball with Oscars and C20*s waiting in the hanger for me.
If the map generates a fight, that's a good thing.
That didn't last very long...It took about 10 minutes for people to realise that they were easy kills.....
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Heaven forbid theres fighting in a combat flight game..
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I love this map. More furball maps plZ.
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I totally agree with the OP here. This map squeezes every fight to a one or two base front without any means to spread a fight out. In an arena with fewer players this may work better but during prime time where 300+ players are online it makes for a frustrating quagmire of players.
Before anyone else responds to this realize that not everyone plays for the furball (even the furballs in this map are ridiculous). Due to the terrain shape (arms of land that bottleneck into the aforementioned bottleneck) there is very little that can be done to advance the front and widen the lines. There are still some who play (and I don't want to get into the whole it's my money I'll do what I want debate) for the base taking and the strategy that goes along with that. The truth is this game needs both types of players to survive. But this map truly limits the capabilities and potential for playability.
There are some positives to this map. The terrain is very well formed and has some great hills and mountains which make for excellent flying and nice views. I applaud whomever created this map for that work. I have tinkered with the terrain editor software and now respect those who tackle this undertaking and feel somewhat bad bashing something spent many many hours creating. The OP's idea of moving this map to the MW or EW arena could prevent the work done to create this map from going to waste.
I'd like to once again call on HTC to step up and go back to the map making business. I do understand the man hours this would take and the latest update shows the quality of work going on in TX (great job on the newest aircraft they're awesome!). Take a poll of paying subscribers as to what they would like in a map (good ol democracy at work) and see what you can do. I bet it will rock!
Just my .02 pesos
-Climber
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Awww you have to actually fight another horde with your horde, how sad for you.
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Map size makes no difference anymore, majority just horde and fight over two or three sectors no matter what the map size. Map size just reduces the horde options.
Years ago pre AW the numbers were such on constant basis the small maps suited perfectly. This is one of original maps. After AW arrived and with that larger player numbers over time people requested and got bigger maps.
However the horde mentality which has grown over past few years means map design/size is less relevant. Even if there was a big map on right now, you'd still only see two or three sectors of horde vs horde just as you see now on this map.
Today lone wolf style flying looking for fights is almost completely lost.
<S>..-Gixer
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I think the map we have now should be moved to the Mid and Early war areana only as it is to small for MA use...
It is nothing more than a huge furball in there....
HA! Learn to fly then. You wont have to run to the BBS and cry about it.
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I think the map we have now should be moved to the Mid and Early war areana only as it is to small for MA use...
It is nothing more than a huge furball in there....
And when we furball it's no fun.
And when we horde it's no fun.
And when there is only one on one action it's no fun.
And when everyone flies at 30k it's no fun.
and spawn camping, ho'ing, picking, vulching...
I prefer some maps over others, but a map I may love, another may hate. I would never want each map to promote the same kind of gameplay.
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Leave the map alone. The basetakers and Pony tards can suck it up and furball with the rest of us for a day or so every once in a while. :devil
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I once lobbied to get rid of Mindinao and low and behold they took it out of rotation for years. It turned out I missed Mindi and I'm glad to see it back.
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I once lobbied to get rid of Mindinao and low and behold they took it out of rotation for years. It turned out I missed Mindi and I'm glad to see it back.
Why? It had the only giant squid in the game, furballs around the lake monster were fun. :joystick: :x
<S>...-Gixer
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best air combat ever! most maps are too gv centric to my taste. I mean why fly 15mins to attack while you can spawn a stealth gv right next to the town?
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If you want a new map, earn it by taking some bases.
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Why? It had the only giant squid in the game, furballs around the lake monster were fun. :joystick: :x
<S>...-Gixer
No you're thinking of the uterus terrain. Mindanao is one island of low poly count angular mountains shaped in a way that seems to bottleneck everybody in the arena into 4 grid squares.
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Awww you have to actually fight another horde with your horde, how sad for you.
I wonder if one NOE whord has ever accidentally run into aNOTHER NOE whorde? Do they just tip their hats and go on about their whording, or do they throw the gloves down and fight?
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I love a good furball and hard hitting base defense My K/D ratio shows that.
This map for some reason has caused intense and nearly continuous attacks and counter attacks all of which is great fun but an ugly side turns up. The tension of the contentious, and often out of balanced attacks and counter attacks makes for short tempers. The vox was filled with, "You stole my kill", "Why didn't you call my 6"and a rise in harsh profanity about bad guys and good guys.
I know when I quit last night, I was tight as a tick and hoping this map would end before this evening.
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If 300 players on Mindanao causes you even to raise an eyebrow, you have never played on it back in the day with 500+ on it :old:
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If you want a new map, earn it by taking some bases.
So true. The fun maps always reset so quickly that I rarely get to enjoy them.
It is a simple statistical rule. If maps rotate randomly, you are most likely to login when there is a stagnant, boring map.
When I play there are usually 250-300 players online. The small maps are the best. There is less hording because every base can attack and be attacks by several (air!) bases. In some of the newer (and large) maps, there is a linear progression of base taking due to arrangement and the horde just move along the string of bases. There is often little option of assisting the defense of a base from a nearby base, because all the neighbors are Vbases.
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No you're thinking of the uterus terrain. Mindanao is one island of low poly count angular mountains shaped in a way that seems to bottleneck everybody in the arena into 4 grid squares.
No it's this MAP Lake with giant Squid use to be what is now A38 but going back to AH1 days. So maybe before your time.
<S>...-Gixer
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No!
Every map has something that you may not like. We have already lost one map recently, that frankly I enjoyed. It was different and had different challenges. Let's not lose another..............then another............and we will be left with.............?
This map has exactly the same thing that all of the maps have, it has blue sky above it for all of us to fly in.
Everyone is my friend :)
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flower power!
(I'm glad trinity is gone)
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This map is great fun except for the 20k lancs that stroll in and shut down the fighter hangars... no attempt to actually take the base, just fly 60+ minutes to stop a fight.
I guess this is fun for some? :headscratch:
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This is actually my favorite map because i have a legit chance of flying 163's. i very much dislike the huge maps.
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:old: Harumph!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U
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This map is great fun except for the 20k lancs that stroll in and shut down the fighter hangars... no attempt to actually take the base, just fly 60+ minutes to stop a fight.
I guess this is fun for some? :headscratch:
It's fun for me because I have had the patience and forsight to be waiting for them at 25k when they hit the dar ring inbound.
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I think the map we have now should be moved to the Mid and Early war areana only as it is to small for MA use...
It is nothing more than a huge furball in there....
I must disagree, after that last map we had for a week, the last couple days have been AWESOME!
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I must disagree, after that last map we had for a week, the last couple days have been AWESOME!
Got to agree with this. Being able to easily find a gaggle of enemy to interact with the last couple days has been refreshing.
Wiley.
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Heaven forbid theres fighting in a combat flight game..
:lol
Kind of reminds me of the line from Dr. Stranglove, "Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
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:lol
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:lol
Did you just look in your underwear ?
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I think the map we have now should be moved to the Mid and Early war areana only as it is to small for MA use...
It is nothing more than a huge furball in there....
No such thing as too small for MA. A 3 field map = AWESOME!
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I've honestly entertained the thought of what would unforld on a 15-base MA map, each country gets 5, 3 uncapturable surrounding their strats, two are capturable on the fronts. One of the uncapturable field has a very long V-spawn to a tank town/crater in the middle.
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Hard for Hordes to hide on small maps. :bolt:
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No it's this MAP Lake with giant Squid use to be what is now A38 but going back to AH1 days. So maybe before your time.
<S>...-Gixer
You maybe right. I always remember the Kraken being in the middle of the uterus terrain, sfma. I don't remember mindanao having any big lakes, it has a small one on the other side of the island from a38.
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This is actually my favorite map because i have a legit chance of flying 163's. i very much dislike the huge maps.
Agreed!
My favorite map also! Small maps short front line are fun even with low # of players. Imop HTC should increse the reset % to 30-35% for small maps: are getting reset to quick @20% , and again stuck for weeks on a large map with more bases than players.
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Agreed!
My favorite map also! Small maps short front line are fun even with low # of players. Imop HTC should increse the reset % to 30-35% for small maps: are getting reset to quick @20% , and again stuck for weeks on a large map with more bases than players.
:aok
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Why?
When HT said the big maps were causing problems with the community and they were going to go to all small maps Mindi was up for a month or two or more. There were no others in rotation and it got sickening to have to play on the same map every day for months.
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Why? It had the only giant squid in the game, furballs around the lake monster were fun. :joystick: :x
<S>...-Gixer
I petition to bring back the squid map! with Monster lake.
Please sign below:
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1. HL
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When HT said the big maps were causing problems with the community and they were going to go to all small maps Mindi was up for a month or two or more. There were no others in rotation and it got sickening to have to play on the same map every day for months.
Yes,but was more difficult to reset; LW arena was split and maps used to reset @ 40% fields captured; i believe increasing the reset requirements to 30% for small maps and decreasing from 20 to 15% for large boring maps would balance everyone's preferences and the maps rotation time.
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I petition to bring back the squid map! with Monster lake.
Please sign below:
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1. HL
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I'm assuming this would mean that Squid IS Included?
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I really miss staging comebacks from having only two fields left in warbirds and finally winning the map.
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I wonder if one NOE whord has ever accidentally run into aNOTHER NOE whorde? Do they just tip their hats and go on about their whording, or do they throw the gloves down and fight?
Been there years ago when 2 NOE 110 groups wandered into each other. It was an epic fight with the edge going to our team that had 2 N1K's guarding the goon and they had 1 190A8.
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Yeah...A8 prolly the worst plane to be in in that situation
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Been there years ago when 2 NOE 110 groups wandered into each other. It was an epic fight with the edge going to our team that had 2 N1K's guarding the goon and they had 1 190A8.
I remember when our 110 NOE ran into a Mossy NOE. :joystick: Oh the joyful fun I had. :x Till I found the water. :bhead
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I'm assuming this would mean that Squid IS Included?
Whats a Monster lake without a squid, maybe they could put a Nessie in for the British Isles folks. :D
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I wonder if one NOE whord has ever accidentally run into aNOTHER NOE whorde? Do they just tip their hats and go on about their whording, or do they throw the gloves down and fight?
Yes, the Claim Jumpers ran into the Jokers (I think it was them). Both were NOE, but since the Claim Jumpers were mostly drunk at the time (three guys actually hit the water for no reason) the more organized and... sober squad one the engagement.
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That map would be a great Mid war areana, don't get me wrong...
I'm not much of a furballer, as the planes I fly are hard to win in and I suck which is a double whammy in my case....
It just it is so small that there is nothing but a massive furball and if you don't wan't to try and run the vulch you have to fly 2-3 sectors to be in the fight....
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No!
Every map has something that you may not like. We have already lost one map recently, that frankly I enjoyed. It was different and had different challenges. Let's not lose another..............then another............and we will be left with.............?maybe they (HT) needs to make more....wait that will never happen
This map has exactly the same thing that all of the maps have, it has blue sky above it for all of us to fly in.
Everyone is my friend :)
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That map would be a great Mid war areana, don't get me wrong...
I'm not much of a furballer, as the planes I fly are hard to win in and I suck which is a double whammy in my case....
It just it is so small that there is nothing but a massive furball and if you don't wan't to try and run the vulch you have to fly 2-3 sectors to be in the fight....
One second its too small, next you have to fly forever to find a fight, make up your mind! :D
Another thing, its not because of the map that you suck in a fighter, so don't blame the map. Skill can be taught IF you are willing to put in the time to learn it.
The biggest reason this map is a problem for so many is because of the type of game play we have. NOE's are tough due to the razor sharp mountains and valleys as well as the predictable "water paths" most flights take. It takes a different type of mission to get around this map and as most player don't/won't change their style of play they instead complain that the map sucks.
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Is it the green stamp map? If so I was hoping for a show of force last night. None came.
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FYI "this map" originally referred to Mindanao
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/AH%20Maps/mindanao_zps44ff3d85.jpg)
while at this moment we are on beta2
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/AH%20Maps/beta2_zps0553613f.jpg)
A GASTROPOD public service :D
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FYI "this map" originally referred to Mindanao
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/AH%20Maps/mindanao_zps44ff3d85.jpg)
while at this moment we are on beta2
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/AH%20Maps/beta2_zps0553613f.jpg)
A GASTROPOD public service :D
ARRRRGGGGGG!!!!! I hate that map!!! I wish they'd get rid of it!!! :noid
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I raised a complaint on this map a couple of years back and I received an incredible amount of flack. Much more than any base or HQ could produce. So it's funny that are just now seeing the issues. The real problem with this map is he super high mountains in the center and the location of the uncapturable bases. They should just get rid of some of the mountains and add a few more bases in their place. That may produce the some good fights and strategic operations. They would be a heck of a fight to keep those bases.
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Beta2 is my pet hate amongst the rotation as well. No CVs, plus high border mountains and long flights that discourage air combat. Luckily it is rarely around for long. Mindanao is badly unbalanced, but I can usually find a fight on it.
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Beta2 is my pet hate amongst the rotation as well.
On beta2 I almost never defend against the side that is close to winning the war :noid
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I like both those maps. I've had great fights on Beta over the years and was happy to see it up last night.
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Whats a Monster lake without a squid, maybe they could put a Nessie in for the British Isles folks. :D
I petition to bring back the squid map! with Monster lake.
Please sign below:
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1. HL
2. Volron
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:D
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I like both those maps. I've had great fights on Beta over the years and was happy to see it up last night.
I do like the Mandinao alot!