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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Zacherof on April 12, 2013, 04:27:45 PM
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The 190 sucks and anyone who flies them are poo
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You stalled a A8 didn't you.
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No I snapped a wing off in a 400mph dive. I almost exclusivly fly the a5 and that's never happened to me. Anyoe knw how much stress the wings can take as opose to jugs and ponies?
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Zack plz use BBS for more constructive posts sir. Thx.
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*zach and I promise I will.
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(http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/111986/blasphemer128601086275112902.jpg)
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:D
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You hate the A8? Don't go anywhere near the 152 then, though you won't have to worry too much about your wings with that one. :lol Least I haven't that issue with her yet. :noid
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This post was a mild joke. I love the ta. Fast and has 90taters.
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This post was a mild joke.
Oh, well darn. I read the subject and was going to suggest one of these
(http://www.drewsmarketingminute.com/images/old/6a00d8341bf7cb53ef01157117e6a1970b-250wi.jpg)
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Oh wait, redbull barrowed my a5 so I will be needing one
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No I snapped a wing off in a 400mph dive. I almost exclusivly fly the a5 and that's never happened to me. Anyoe knw how much stress the wings can take as opose to jugs and ponies?
Perhaps a 20mm hispano round stressed the wing?
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WIsh I recorded but let's just say I yanked the stick a bit hard to find myself missing me left wing. I've been flying the a5 for the past 2 tours and this has never happend to me. Idk why it did so in the a8
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WIsh I recorded but let's just say I yanked the stick a bit hard to find myself missing me left wing. I've been flying the a5 for the past 2 tours and this has never happend to me. Idk why it did so in the a8
There may be a clue somewhere :noid
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I've never ripped a wing off a 190 (they seem usually indestructible with respect to diving speed and g's), but I remember that, in Air Warrior (another game like AH) there was a circumstance under which you could do it. If you got into compressibility, pulled all the way back on the stick, then popped out of compressibility, you could generate momentarily huge g's that would rip the wings off. Not sure if there is any aspect like that in AH.
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WIsh I recorded but let's just say I yanked the stick a bit hard to find myself missing me left wing. I've been flying the a5 for the past 2 tours and this has never happend to me. Idk why it did so in the a8
Brooke just posted one of my thoughts, though compressibility effects are relatively mild in 190's, in my experience with other planes, it seemed likely that I was at the threshold of compressibility effects, and got more stick response than expected and overstressed the wings. Another possibility I was thinking is that your stick may have just registered an unusual spike, showing the game more input than you were intending. Do you have a small amount of dampening in your stick settings? That is supposed to smooth out spikes that the game could see as inputs?
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Yesterday I ripped the wings off a Dora, was in the 400+ zone, maybe even close to 500. Guess I pulled too hard, was interesting trying to fly back and land...the squirrley-butcher bird only made it about 1/4 of a sector before rolling over and splat in the water.
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The 190s are beautiful, especially the D. One really cool thing in this plane, the opponents are much less likely to avoid the turnfight like plaque.
My 2 cents, so come on Zach, leave the fatass A8 in the hangar :aok
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190d flies beautifully, the one-ping spinner-to-firewall radiator keeps me from flying it.
152 zoom and potent weapons would really be worth the ride, but only if did not share the radiator with 190d, making it too hazardous as buff killer.
A5 is the most fun of them all to fly, but slower on the deck than the the other 190s, and less armour means more Pilot wounds. No Radiator is a big plus, 7.7mm mg best used at garden parties, only 2 151 20mm.
A8 has guns to down most planes with a burst (both 4*20mm or 2*30mm) ( Yak9 is an exception), it's the hardest of them to fly, but is the most survivable 190 a-series flown correctly.
Seems to take some more hit points before things go Kaputt compared with the A5, specially from rear.
Faster on the deck than the A5 , will save you from chasing late spits.
This is my observation from how I fly these planes only.
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WIsh I recorded but let's just say I yanked the stick a bit hard to find myself missing me left wing. I've been flying the a5 for the past 2 tours and this has never happend to me. Idk why it did so in the a8
It happens sometimes in AH. To me it happens with the F6F and Moss VI that I rip off a wing at speeds and G where it normally stays glued together. Could be a stick spike. I also suspect that if the ball is not centered (off yaw trim, or rudder input) it makes this much more likely to happen.
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The 152 is awesome.
I am with you on the dora being terrible though.
The a5 is okay I guess.
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The 190-A5 is a beautiful aircraft in every since imho. It is truly a spit/pony killer, heck most anything if you set up the lag roll right.
Knife fighting and rolling scissors stand near unmatched due to the incredible roll rate of this bird.
A-5 is most defiantly my plane of preference! :aok
Zacherof I challenge thee! Bring it on in your 190! :O :D
:salute !
Angel
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Zacherof I challenge thee! Bring it on in your 190! :O :D
Thats the spirit :aok
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190A5 is one of the most beautiful fighters we have. Those spitfires don't stand a chance! :t
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There are two planes in AH: The Fw-190A5, and everything else as targets. The A5 is everything it needs to be. And it can stall fight just fine, drops flaps manage speed and nose angle and you'll be OK.
I have noticed the wings popping off though. Last week it happened twice in as many days. I have never had a wing break prior to that. Did they remodel the 190 series?
Boo
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still pull up from 600mph without losing parts..in an A8
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There are two planes in AH: The Fw-190A5, and everything else as targets. The A5 is everything it needs to be. And it can stall fight just fine, drops flaps manage speed and nose angle and you'll be OK.
I have noticed the wings popping off though. Last week it happened twice in as many days. I have never had a wing break prior to that. Did they remodel the 190 series?
Boo
There are two type of pilots in this game: Those who fly German planes, and those who don't. We call the latter "Kills" :D
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The 190-A5 is a beautiful aircraft in every since imho. It is truly a spit/pony killer, heck most anything if you set up the lag roll right.
Knife fighting and rolling scissors stand near unmatched due to the incredible roll rate of this bird.
A-5 is most defiantly my plane of preference! :aok
Zacherof I challenge thee! Bring it on in your 190! :O :D
:salute !
We shall! Although Im notorious as being odd. And on the spike i'm not sure
but is there a way to instiaget ia repeat.
Angel
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yesterday I saw a P51D break his wings in a dive, I guess it happens to anyone :D
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Guys... you might wanna try taking center fuel/bomb rack when flying 190A-8. To me the center rack cures the nasty snap stall and kinda make 190A-8/F-8 a bit more stable.
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you lose some speed, and you will add weight using the ETC rack, even after ordnance have been dropped.
The A8 is already the hippo at the party.
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you lose some speed, and you will add weight using the ETC rack, even after ordnance have been dropped.
The A8 is already the hippo at the party.
I guess it can't be helped.
This poor bird (to me) has bad CoG when loaded beyond 75% internal fuel; it must be fitted with with center rack.
When A8/F8 is loaded with center rack and transitions from 'slasher' to 'dogfighting', to me this plane just 'shudders' and 'drops a wing gently' instead of 'snapping' if not loaded with center rack.
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Idk, for me, the 190s stalled quite fine and steady. Just cant see the point in adding more weight to an already overweight aircraft, especilly when it decreases your (otherwise not too high) speed by 5-6mph.
The problem wasnt with the poor CoG, but with the high flap deploy and stall speeds.
But keep using that bombrack, cant wait to face your 190 :D
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A5 is fine without center rack... it's the A8/F8 that needs it.
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I always take off with 100% in A8, 95% without drop-tank or bomb.
If you wep it up to 4km more than half of the aux is burned up, wep it again from 9k to 13k, you have now about 75% fuel.
Don't just let you in a fight with fighter planes until your fuel level has shrunk, buffs are still excellent food before the main dish.
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Fine. Do it your way, ill do it my way, and we will se who will be more successful :rofl
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Fine. Do it your way, ill do it my way, and we will se who will be more successful :rofl
the noobs who ho?
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yada yada yada Fw-190A5 is the best yada yada yada
Boo
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yada yada yada Fw-190A5 is the best yada yada yada
Boo
pfff I heard all a5 jocks are idiots :D.
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pfff I heard all a5 jocks are idiots :D.
Ouch, i heard all the 190 fliegers are brainless fools :devil
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Ouch, i heard all the 190 fliegers are brainless fools :devil
yeah! I think that awesome roll rate has turned thier brains to poo :o :rolleyes:
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"The problem wasnt with the poor CoG, but with the high flap deploy and stall speeds."
You mean low flap deployment speed? Eg. P51 has high deployment speed which is pure BS and just an unfair crutch, IMHO.
-C+
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Ouch, yea, that is what i meant, thanks!
So, the flap deployment speeds are very low (~190mph for the first notch). This, along with the high stall speed, makes really hard to keep the flaps opened - if you are in a flat turn, you cant even open it all unless you chop throttle. Pretty much the only remaining close-combat option is to keep the nose up as long as possible then hammerhead back, as anything nose-down such as a low yo-yo or a breaking turn, is a complete failure.
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So, the flap deployment speeds are very low (~190mph for the first notch).
190 mph is not low. This is the typical speed for most non-US planes.
The advantage of high speed flaps like in the P51 is way overrated. Above corner speed they do absolutely nothing except helping you lose a bit more speed - if this is the desired effect, rudder can do the same for you. Then at the 200-250 mph range the US planes really do enjoy the advantage of the flaps, but since unless a loss of height is involved, the turns are unsustainable and the speed will quickly drop to below 200 where everyone can use their flaps and the difference will be the type of flaps, not the deployment speed.
The real advantage that I find in 250 mph flaps is that I dont have to constantly fiddle with them - deploy and let them be, while with 190 mph flaps they will often auto-retract, then you have to redeploy when the speed comes down again. The 190 with its high stall speeds would really enjoy every extra mph it gets on the flap deployment limit. I still maintain the claim though, that 86.7% of the fights that you won with flaps you could have won without using them. I won't go into the explanation of how I got this number, but it involves doing some pulling action and my sitting organ.
Which brings us to the most important effect of flaps on the flight - they boost... lift? max angle of attack? drag? yes, but those pale in comparison to the boost they give to confidence and aggressiveness of the pilot. US planes get a confidence boost at 250 mph which is a huge advantage against LW pilots who are uncertain of their plane ability to fight aggressively before the flaps deploy at 190 mph. I wonder if in WWII plane someone had installed a big red button that says "placeboost" and told the pilot to hit it before entering a dog fight, how many pilots would swear that they won the fight due to the use of this secret technology.
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Bozon,
i have to disagree with you on this. In every sigle knife-fight i fought, had the feeling that the ponies had an enormous advantage by being able to go nose down withouth doubling their turn radius. That was the real problem for me, every single second i couldnt fly with full flaps opened, was losing position and energy as i had to chop throttle to slow down.
Nope, i wasnt as much of a newb in the 190, ask anyone, but with my preferred flying style, it was a truly huge disadvantage, as the flaps meant a slower stall speed, and that was everything i wanted.
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I should add that a 190 d9 with flaps in turns better than one with flaps out.
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Bozon,
i have to disagree with you on this. In every sigle knife-fight i fought, had the feeling that the ponies had an enormous advantage by being able to go nose down withouth doubling their turn radius. That was the real problem for me, every single second i couldnt fly with full flaps opened, was losing position and energy as i had to chop throttle to slow down.
Nope, i wasnt as much of a newb in the 190, ask anyone, but with my preferred flying style, it was a truly huge disadvantage, as the flaps meant a slower stall speed, and that was everything i wanted.
At stall speeds the 190 flaps can be extended, but you have to be quick to get them out when the speed drops and constantly monitor them due to auto-retract with speed changes. This is the real difference that I find, the flaps in such planes take a lot more of your attention, while in planes like the P51 you select how many notches you like and concentrate on maneuvering instead of continuously fiddling with the flaps.
I fly the Mosquito a lot and the flaps there also come out at 190 mph. When I really need them is at speeds lower than 190 mph and they work just fine, but after a few moments and cycles of auto-retracting and manual deployments I lose track of their state, which is the annoying part. I could still get some use out of them at 200 or even 220 mph, but their significance diminishes quickly at these speeds. Some extra drag that I could stick out into the wind would be helpful at times, but then again the rudder and two windmilling propellers help slowing me down when I need to. There is also a trick with the bomb bay doors, but the effect is minor and the doors are for some reason nailed shut, unless you loaded bombs in the hangar.
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The d9 is the worst with flaps due to the fact it gains gains speed quicker than the other variants. I'm currently trying to use the 190's as
an uphill fighter as appose to my normal routine
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The difference is, the mosquito turns much better and stalls much slower than the 190, also the flaps arent instantly retracting when you hit full throttle in level flight. Apples and oranges.
Thats what im trying to say for a while.
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Like it or not, but now here's something the A8 is good at:airplane:
Triggered by the recent perk-farming and perk transfer discussions.
As I have all kills and deaths in a chart in detail (so I can see at a glance how many Me 262's were killed by F6F's, for example) I can also determine the nominal fighter perk gain for each model, both in total as well as per kill. Of course I can not account for the perk bonus modifier in effect at that time, and I can not really take in account the mission endings for a specific plane. That's why it's called nominal ;)
Here's a small chart with the top 10 nominal perk gainers of 2012
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/Clipboard01_zpsda6f9ec7.jpg)
The total nominal perk gain for all fighters was at 2.9 million, with an average perk gain of 1.1 per kill. (Average 'victim' ENY was 12.5, average killer ENY slightly above that.)
The median for 'kills per hour' for all players in the LW arena is at about 2.3 (with slight variations between different tours). That would mean a nominal fighter perk gain of ~2.5 perks/hour of flight time for the average player. IF we take account the landing bonus and remove pure "2-weekers" we would most likely end up with something like 3 fighter perks/h of flight time for the average player.
I did cross check that value by examining the perk gains since end of January of a randomly determined 100 players and found those results to be at about the same order of magnitude. Only truly above average players would turn out to have a sustained perk gain of more than 6, 7 or 8 perks /hour.
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Oh wait, redbull barrowed my a5 so I will be needing one
Redbull can't fly his way out of a wet paper bag in an A5. :devil :neener:
I've never ripped a wing off a 190 (they seem usually indestructible with respect to diving speed and g's), but I remember that, in Air Warrior (another game like AH) there was a circumstance under which you could do it. If you got into compressibility, pulled all the way back on the stick, then popped out of compressibility, you could generate momentarily huge g's that would rip the wings off. Not sure if there is any aspect like that in AH.
I regularly (more often than I should admit) rip both wingtips off my Dora in high speed and high-G turns and the AF-8 is realyl easy to do this in with a heavy internal fuel loadout and some speed/E.
you lose some speed, and you will add weight using the ETC rack, even after ordnance have been dropped.
The A8 is already the hippo at the party.
Agreed, but don't think of it as beign useless, jsut counterproductive to fighter vs fighter work. If you go in attack mode heavy and with the intention of kicking some mud rather than carving air it is worth it, but if you're trying to be faster and/or lighter for fighter vs fighter you shouldn't need/have the centerline rack (you can carry a TON of internal fuel).
If you need flaps to turn in a 190, you're not doing it right. I only use flaps when landing or at the very top of vertical maneuvers (and never more than 1 or 2 notches).
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I've never really turned the 190 that hard going that fast before, so I was surprised and annoyed due to me have a perfect shot
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If you need flaps to turn in a 190, you're not doing it right. I only use flaps when landing or at the very top of vertical maneuvers (and never more than 1 or 2 notches).
Awwww, i shall resub and prove you that its false!
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You can somewhat fly the 190 A5 like a 109, use lots of rudder. Im no "uber stick" in the A5 but u can suprise alot people by turning. I remember about 5-6 months ago fighting Debrody 190A5 vs 109g6, with us alternating back and forth on who flew what and we both got down and dirty.
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You can somewhat fly the 190 A5 like a 109, use lots of rudder. Im no "uber stick" in the A5 but u can suprise alot people by turning. I remember about 5-6 months ago fighting Debrody 190A5 vs 109g6, with us alternating back and forth on who flew what and we both got down and dirty.
I fly the plane in a manner that best suits the situation.
With a150mph advantage ofcourse :D
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I've never had a problem pulling an A8 out of a near 600 mph dive but it shudders like hell.
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I've never had a problem pulling an A8 out of a near 600 mph dive but it shudders like hell.
same here. I've been flying the 190's for atleast 3 tours now and never
had this happen to me. Then *POOF* :headscratch:
I'm just surprised as I'm no noob but at the same it's like WTF
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my guess would be a Joystick spike
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Would make sence. Although with above comments looks lime I need to look into this matter
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I've seen Russheim break his wings in a P51d when pulling up to shoot me so its possible in any plane I'd say.
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I've done that before.
Mihgt have to change dampenig settings
btw what's up nuke!
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I saw a guy rip the wings off a Jug before.. :rofl
Yes Virginia, any plane can rip the wings off.
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And T28 how are you?
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And T28 how are you?
Very well, I thank you. :)
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Glad to hear mate :cheers:
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I suppose I have logged as much 190 time as anyone in the game now. Yes...you can pull your wings off in all variants...BUT...it is difficult to do under normal flight circumstances and can count on 1 hand how many times it has happened to me.
Flaps...for sure. Aggressive use of flaps in the A-5 is a game changer...not only at the top of the vert reverse, but down in the weeds as well. Combined with roll and rudder, the A series is capable of pulling off some surprises...even the A-8. Fly and fight uphill all the time, using small yoyo's, and e retaining maneuvers...you may take some lumps along the way, but allot more can be done with the 190 than simply hauling butt in, taking a shot and hauling butt out.
190...love it.
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But it in 1. Learning in it is a whole lot harder than I thought it was :bhead
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But it in 1. Learning in it is a whole lot harder than I thought it was :bhead
And so...winning in it...will be that much sweeter!
:aok
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Best moments are everything just falls into place. Peerfect timing for perfect movements. Next sortie up and hit a tree :bhead
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Best moments are everything just falls into place. Peerfect timing for perfect movements. Next sortie up and hit a tree :bhead
Kill'n in the Wurger is like viewing a Renaissance masterpiece....it just feels right. :aok
Zach...you have several very good 109 sticks in the fifth. Do what I do with my 109 experten...link up with them and use both aircraft to their strength's together. It gets damn laughable, how well flown 109's and 190's can own the fight together. They are both team birds first and foremost and particularly the focke wulf. Ignore the nay-sayers...and fight your own fight in the butcher bird. When you start getting the PM's like, "No way a 190 can do that!"...then you'll know you are on to it...stay on to it. Trust me...eventually you will start pulling moves considered outside the capabilities and status quo ACM for the bird...and you'll be making it stick. Then...nothing will be able to pry you out of the 190...the most sexy prop driven plane ever designed.
:aok
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Actually we Have done that. People just get tired if fighting us
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Actually we Have done that. People just get tired if fighting us
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Ja...the never ending 'chase the fight' syndrome. We know it well.
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Lt. Zeims of 10./JG11 says it better than I ever could.
Be sexy...Fly the 190!
(http://www.gyges.dk/Fw%20190%20JG%2011.jpg)
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