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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 1Cane on April 20, 2013, 05:16:36 PM
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In the last week I have seen someone up off of a CV atleast 3x prior to it being in position to launch its missons.I would like to see the commander of CV shut down operations of aircraft and lvts for 1 sector.The shut down would last untill misson launch. A real life CAG would be able to stop a premature launch.
When we have asked why did you launch early we were told its my $15 A MONTH and will do what I want, never mind that it may have taken hours to get the cv in position.
Does anyone know the straight line speed of CV group?
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In the last week I have seen someone up off of a CV atleast 3x prior to it being in position to launch its missons.I would like to see the commander of CV shut down operations of aircraft and lvts for 1 sector.The shut down would last untill misson launch.
That's opening the door to massive abuse. I could shut down operations at a critical phase just to p*** you all off.
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You don't own the CV
It's for the whole country and anyone can up a plane from it at any time they please
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Lets say that 15 people are waiting for cv to get into lvt range so they can launch.The person who takes off early gives the show away. Who is best served by ranking CV Captian holding launchs for the misson or the one who is going to take base by his self?
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Lets say that 15 people are waiting for cv to get into lvt range so they can launch.The person who takes off early gives the show away. Who is best served by ranking CV Captian holding launchs for the misson or the one who is going to take base by his self?
The one closing down CV operations for everyone exactly at the time you need it most. And this WILL happen. And you are apparently simply ignoring the potential of abuse. ;)
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Think CV hiders are bad? You ain't seen nothin' yet! With this change high ranked players can now halt CV operations in the height of battle, leaving it helpless and waiting for its inevitable destruction!
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Lets say that 15 people are waiting for cv to get into lvt range so they can launch.The person who takes off early gives the show away. Who is best served by ranking CV Captian holding launchs for the misson or the one who is going to take base by his self?
how abouts they make it so that 8" guns shelling town make the base flash?
i'm sure you're all for it.. :neener:
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Think CV hiders are bad? You ain't seen nothin' yet! With this change high ranked players can now halt CV operations in the height of battle, leaving it helpless and waiting for its inevitable destruction!
Manawar would definitely do this. :neener:
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Ya know way, ye be havin to use that one quite a bit recently. Might be time for a remodel. :lol Fancier, larger...mostly larger. :)
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how abouts they make it so that 8" guns shelling town make the base flash?
i'm sure you're all for it.. :neener:
This one makes sense.
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The one closing down CV operations for everyone exactly at the time you need it most. And this WILL happen. And you are apparently simply ignoring the potential of abuse. ;)
Ok lets try this
misson posted with joiners
have control of cv
Why not allow CAG to control launches untill misson launch?
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Ok lets try this
misson posted with joiners
have control of cv
Why not allow CAG to control launches untill misson launch?
So now you need one high ranked yahoo and one other cooperating yahoo of any rank....
Doesn't seem like a particularly high barrier to cross, particularly for people with multiple accounts.
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Heck no!
Not only is it so open to abuse that it willl NEVER be implemented, I pay my money same as you do. I pay to fly any plane, anywhere at any time I like. I do not pay so some person who who pays the same as me but plays a slightly differant way can tell me how to play this game! If I want to up of a CV, let me! What makes it your place to say I can or can't.
Also some planes need more time to get to altitude. You stop launches until it is at 'your' optimum launch point, but how about me? I don't fly LW monsters. I fly the D3A or B5N and if a fighter is needed it is the a6m2 or the Sea Hurri. These take more time to get to the same altitude as your f6f. So by stopping me launching, I am now at a disadvantage. I will be lower and not have the altitude advantage that is helpful.
Think on all sides and how it will affect all players before making a wish.
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how abouts they make it so that 8" guns shelling town make the base flash?
i'm sure you're all for it.. :neener:
:rofl :aok
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Heck no!
Not only is it so open to abuse that it willl NEVER be implemented, I pay my money same as you do. I pay to fly any plane, anywhere at any time I like. I do not pay so some person who who pays the same as me but plays a slightly differant way can tell me how to play this game! If I want to up of a CV, let me! What makes it your place to say I can or can't.
So in your opinon its ok to launch and spoil a misson for 10to 15 other players!
Also some planes need more time to get to altitude. You stop launches until it is at 'your' optimum launch point, but how about me? I don't fly LW monsters. I fly the D3A or B5N and if a fighter is needed it is the a6m2 or the Sea Hurri. These take more time to get to the same altitude as your f6f. So by stopping me launching, I am now at a disadvantage. I will be lower and not have the altitude advantage that is helpful.
How many bases have you taken in your single D3a?
Think on all sides and how it will affect all players before making a wish.
Your right I was thinking only of a co-ordinated attack ,not of the 1 aircraft attack on a base
I am done on this subject
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No, I don't go around spoiling missions, but if I am unaware of a mission and I go to a CV only to find that I can't up from it, I will be annoyed. I like to fly when and where I like. i don't like being limited. One of the main reasons I hate War Thunder. Tried it and was told 'you can only fly such and such a plane'. If I pay money, I want to fly what I like.
How many bases have I taken in my D3A? None, they don't carry troops. You could always ask the same about your missions that don't launch a LVT. I guarantee you won't capture a base without a LVT. How much fun do I have in my D3A? A lot! Nothing better than getting planes in that little beauty. And thats what I play for. Fun. not base taking (Though I will join in if I feel like it) not supplying, not GVing. I fly for fun.
You may have been thinking of the coordinated attacks, but how about those that would exploit it? As several people have mentioned, there are people on all countries who would happily abuse this new feature to shut down an attack. I did not make that comment on my behalf.
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How about once misson is posted and you have joiners there would be a warning in hanger " MISSON LAUNCH in X- minutes,Please dont launch untill misson does"
You then would have option of being a team player or a Lone Wolf.
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How about once misson is posted and you have joiners there would be a warning in hanger " MISSON LAUNCH in X- minutes,Please dont launch untill misson does"
You then would have option of being a team player or a Lone Wolf.
Another instance of "No strategies" in the Game! To many guys which can't seem to find anything to do but screw up a hour or two worth of prep for a CV mission. Of course as some point out, its their 15.00 and they can darn well do what they like. Anothe instance of the "tail wagging the dog". Who knows, maybe when some these guys will grad from the 4th grade, they'll have a little more respect for the game! I don't agree with the lowest ranked player haveing the ability to take command of a CV when you have a mission posted. Once a mission is posted, who ever posted the mish should have "complete" control over the CV until mish launch. You could put a 30 min time limit on the mish time. Of course its hard to make a "rock" unstand!
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Another instance of "No strategies" in the Game! To many guys which can't seem to find anything to do but screw up a hour or two worth of prep for a CV mission. Of course as some point out, its their 15.00 and they can darn well do what they like. Anothe instance of the "tail wagging the dog". Who knows, maybe when some these guys will grad from the 4th grade, they'll have a little more respect for the game! I don't agree with the lowest ranked player haveing the ability to take command of a CV when you have a mission posted. Once a mission is posted, who ever posted the mish should have "complete" control over the CV until mish launch. You could put a 30 min time limit on the mish time. Of course its hard to make a "rock" unstand!
Earl,
Let me just say that I am one of those people that think 'I pay the money, let me do what I like'.
Having said that I still count myself as a team player and will not go out of my way to reveal a mission that is long in the planning. I do not take particular notice of Country channel as 90% of the time it has nothing to do with me or the area I am in.
however if a notice popped up saying that a mission was going to to launch from the CV in so many minutes, I would not up as I understand the work that goes into planning a mission and executing it properly.
But you must understand how such a system as closing down a CV could be misused and abused by those who actively try to disrupt the game. Per my comments above, a wish should be well thought out and attention should be payed about how it could possibly be misused.
Also if there was no notice as to the reason I can not take off on CV, I would be really annoyed. I play this game to fly what I like, when I like, where I like and if I'm not allowed to do so, there had better be a good reason. In my opinion, a mission about to launch is a good enough reason. Is it for everyone else though? We all pay the same, at what point does one person gain more power to govern the gameplay than anyone else, which is what allowing someone to dictate where we fly is doing.
I hope you understand my views on this and the reasons why I am against this wish being granted.
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What are you guys talking about?
I can remember that in days of WB :old: my squad's commander told us that if some moron ruins your mission then it is not his fault but yours. It is you who fu#$ed up your mission by bad planning/executing.
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Maybe this isn't all bad if we tweak it a little,
The top ranking person can lock down cv operations to get it into position; however, there is an automatic fail-safe that, regardless of lock, if there is an enemy in the DAR ring (ie causing the CV to flash), anyone may bypass the lock and launch anyway because the CV group is in potential danger.
This solves the problem of people ruining a surprise attack (which in most cases are not intentionally doing so), as well as limiting people from not being able to defend.
:cheers:
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Maybe this isn't all bad if we tweak it a little,
The top ranking person can lock down cv operations to get it into position; however, there is an automatic fail-safe that, regardless of lock, if there is an enemy in the DAR ring (ie causing the CV to flash), anyone may bypass the lock and launch anyway because the CV group is in potential danger.
This solves the problem of people ruining a surprise attack (which in most cases are not intentionally doing so), as well as limiting people from not being able to defend.
:cheers:
Useless. Bombers at 10k would be dropping on the CV before even an F4U-4 could intercept them.
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Here are my ideas:
1. The CV is locked down for 5-10 minutes before a mission launch.
2. The mission must have more than ten joiners.
3. If you try to launch during lockdown, a dialogue box appears that reads, "There is a mission launching from this CV in X minutes. Do you want to join it?"
4. The CV remains locked on azimuth for one minute after mission launch to ensure all aircraft take off safely. Then, normal operations resume, and a higher ranking player can take over if they want.
I don't think the attitude of "I want to do whatever I want, whenever I want" is universally valid. Sometimes hangars or ords are down, so I can't fly exactly the right sortie from exactly the right field. Sometimes a map enters rotation with no water when I wanted to do CV stuff. Sometimes there are ENY restrictions. The nature of the game already restricts our gameplay in many ways. If you can't wait 5-10 minutes to do your lone wolf CV stuff, then find another CV.
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Useless. Bombers at 10k would be dropping on the CV before even an F4U-4 could intercept them.
9/10 CV groups I have seen get sunk by bombers 10K or less, regardless of the 20+ fighters furballing low with no reach to get to them.
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Earl,
Let me just say that I am one of those people that think 'I pay the money, let me do what I like'.
Having said that I still count myself as a team player and will not go out of my way to reveal a mission that is long in the planning. I do not take particular notice of Country channel as 90% of the time it has nothing to do with me or the area I am in.
however if a notice popped up saying that a mission was going to to launch from the CV in so many minutes, I would not up as I understand the work that goes into planning a mission and executing it properly.
But you must understand how such a system as closing down a CV could be misused and abused by those who actively try to disrupt the game. Per my comments above, a wish should be well thought out and attention should be payed about how it could possibly be misused.
Also if there was no notice as to the reason I can not take off on CV, I would be really annoyed. I play this game to fly what I like, when I like, where I like and if I'm not allowed to do so, there had better be a good reason. In my opinion, a mission about to launch is a good enough reason. Is it for everyone else though? We all pay the same, at what point does one person gain more power to govern the gameplay than anyone else, which is what allowing someone to dictate where we fly is doing.
I hope you understand my views on this and the reasons why I am against this wish being granted.
:airplane: I understand your post completely sir, and no disrespect was meant for you or any other person that flies in this game. All I ask for is once I post a mission from a CV, which if I remember correctly is no more than 12 minutes, I should have control over that CV until after the mish launches! I don't think that is an unreasonable request! If I post a mission from a fixed land base, no one can come into and change that mission, until I launch! Why should the CV be any different?
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The major differance as far as I am aware earl (And I don't know a lot so I may be wrong on this) is that creating a mission to launch from a land base does not give you control to stop all flight operations at that base, which is what is being suggested. If we are going to go with your quote 'Why should the CV be any differant?' then I could also say that if you can not suspend flight operations on a land base, why should a CV be any differant?
As I mentioned, I believe that if a mission is posted then maybe a work around could be arranged and agreed upon. I do not like spoiling someone elses game (Unless that person has a red icon and is within 6K of me :P) and so I will not diliberatly up if I know a mission is about to take place. Unlike a lot of people in this game, I still count myself as having a bit of class and honour and respect.
However I do not agree with the ability to shut down a CV whenever they like. I'm sure you can see how this would be sorely abused and I think we can both agree that neither of us wants to see anything added to the game that can and will be abused to ruin a fight or mission. I'm sure you would be very annoyed if after your 5 minutes of grace, someone shut down the CV you were using to launch a mission. Your planes are airborne but can not respawn. What will become of you mission if you can not get more planes back into the fight?
I think I have made my point as to where my objections are for this wish.
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OP, and earl...
I assume you both agree with me that the base should flash when being shelled with 8" guns from the cruiser.. correct?
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OP, and earl...
I assume you both agree with me that the base should flash when being shelled with 8" guns from the cruiser.. correct?
:airplane: I agree on the 8 inch guns! However, I did not make myself clear about flight ops from carrier! What I would like is after posting mission, no moron can come in, sit on the deck, go to F3 and F8, and as your mish spawns out on deck, he proceeds to change the heading of the CV, results in a lot of crashes. I have seen this happen twice, once with a guy airborne and another time, his aircraft on deck. That gentleman, is BS and should not be allowed. Sure, I might get irritated at someone launching prior to mish launch, but as been pointed out, its their 15.00 bucks. What I get irritated about is changing the CV heading just as you begin to launch. This crap about the lowest ranked pilot having command priority is something else that needs to be changed. It ought to be first come, first in command, with a 15 min time limit on his command status.
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:airplane: I agree on the 8 inch guns! However, I did not make myself clear about flight ops from carrier! What I would like is after posting mission, no moron can come in, sit on the deck, go to F3 and F8, and as your mish spawns out on deck, he proceeds to change the heading of the CV, results in a lot of crashes. I have seen this happen twice, once with a guy airborne and another time, his aircraft on deck. That gentleman, is BS and should not be allowed. Sure, I might get irritated at someone launching prior to mish launch, but as been pointed out, its their 15.00 bucks. What I get irritated about is changing the CV heading just as you begin to launch. This crap about the lowest ranked pilot having command priority is something else that needs to be changed. It ought to be first come, first in command, with a 15 min time limit on his command status.
Now that you have posted your reason for trying to support this wish I understand you. I agree that it is very bad sport to change the CV just as a mission is launching, and in that I will say that I agree that the mission poster of a CV mission should have command without rival for a small amount of time. However this is only in heading, not in ability to launch from said carrier. I don not believe that ANYONE should have that power, other than HT or staff.
But I do agree on your point Earl
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Ok, I assumed you guys wanted to stop people from launching from a CV so as to be able to continue shelling a base with nobody noticing...
However, since it is possible to take off from a carrier that's turning, even in a heavy CV based a/c.. I still don't get it.
mission joiners should practice their airmanship. :aok
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Ok, I assumed you guys wanted to stop people from launching from a CV so as to be able to continue shelling a base with nobody noticing...
However, since it is possible to take off from a carrier that's turning, even in a heavy CV based a/c.. I still don't get it.
mission joiners should practice their airmanship. :aok
Kvou,
The point of this wish is so that when you try to sneak a CV close to an enemy base for a sneak attack, you can close the flight deck to prevent a lone wolf just upping 5 minutes before the launch of the mission and thus alerting the opposition.
I agree that shelling a base should cause the base to flash and alert the owner of that field. Even though people can take off with a turning CV some of the newer members may not have mastered that skill yet (I still have difficulty).
As I have said before, my main reason for opposition to this wish is how easy it would be to abuse. I think we can all imagine that someone feels annoyed at the CV not being used for THEIR purposes and so as the mission launches, or just after (Before a cap is established) they close down the flight deck, preventing the reinforcements from arriving. That is my main problem with this idea.
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Correct--- in theory if you locked the launch you would also be preventing people from launching into manable guns.
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OP, and earl...
I assume you both agree with me that the base should flash when being shelled with 8" guns from the cruiser.. correct?
I am hoping we see this one implemented eventually as well. You would think someone would hear three round salvos of 8" shells impacting from miles away. Not to mention virtual townsfolk may complain a bit as their little village is being destroyed. Used to Live near Ft. Lewis when the 105's and 155's were fired up. The Arty was 15-20 miles away and you could still hear a deep bass "whump" with every impact.
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Correct--- in theory if you locked the launch you would also be preventing people from launching into manable guns.
When a misson is planned you would only stop launch of ac or lvt's, gun still would be active for shelling.
As for the guy who says its my $15 and i will do want i want .How about showing just a little respect to other players?
Placing a dialog box option of joining misson when it launches would really make things simpler on cv lock down.
This is all based on cv control by misson planer.
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OP, and earl...
I assume you both agree with me that the base should flash when being shelled with 8" guns from the cruiser.. correct?
NOPE and 100% NOPE
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. Not to mention virtual townsfolk may complain a bit as their little village is being destroyed.
Have ever you seen any townsfolk? Any sign of town life? Opened shops, people, cars or carriages? Any sign on life on the country side? :noid
AH is a world deserted by it's former inhabitants. There are not even refugees to be found anywhere. No wonder considering the terrible wars that rage across the lands all the time :old:
Alice doesn't live here anymore...
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Have ever you seen any townsfolk? Any sign of town life? Opened shops, people, cars or carriages? Any sign on life on the country side? :noid
AH is a world deserted by it's former inhabitants. There are not even refugees to be found anywhere. No wonder considering the terrible wars that rage across the lands all the time :old:
LOL :lol
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When a misson is planned you would only stop launch of ac or lvt's, gun still would be active for shelling.
As for the guy who says its my $15 and i will do want i want .How about showing just a little respect to other players?
Placing a dialog box option of joining misson when it launches would really make things simpler on cv lock down.
This is all based on cv control by misson planer.
-1 just another way for the horde to grab more undefended bases. Maybe the mission planners that bring 40+ guys to a fight should have a little more respect for the rest of the community and at least give people a chance to fight back.
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-1 just another way for the horde to grab more undefended bases. Maybe the mission planners that bring 40+ guys to a fight should have a little more respect for the rest of the community and at least give people a chance to fight back.
to be fair only 35 make it due to tree's, hill's and the occasional kill shooter.
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to be fair only 35 make it due to tree's, hill's and the occasional kill shooter.
Ah sorry for that lack in my thought process i stand corrected sir :D
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When a misson is planned you would only stop launch of ac or lvt's, gun still would be active for shelling.
As for the guy who says its my $15 and i will do want i want .How about showing just a little respect to other players?
Placing a dialog box option of joining misson when it launches would really make things simpler on cv lock down.
This is all based on cv control by misson planer.
You are directing that comment at me. I know that because I am the person who said "It is my money (I never actually said $15, for me its GBP) and I will do what I want.'
Question: Did you even bother to read my OTHER replies, the ones to Earl? If not go back and read them. THEN come back and tell me to show respect. Untill you have read all of my comments, do not ask me to show respect to the other players.
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1cane, I am, to my knowledge, the only person who has said in this thread 'It is my money and I will do as I like', Therefore it is almost certain that the comment was directed at me.
I do not believe that a discussion that was started in public should be finished in any other way.
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My comment was made in general. It was nor directed at macleod01. He is not the only one ever to make that comment nor will he be last. I have read all post that have made on the subject and have not attacked anyone here personally.