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Title: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: Grayclif on April 23, 2013, 12:42:49 PM

Folks, I have an assignment for you. If you have a 30-30 rifle, or a 30-06 even, go out and shoot a round into an aluminum can. Do it again with another can filled with water. What happens?

Imagine .30 cal ammo being sprayed into the body of an aircraft at hundreds of rounds per minute. The .303 ammo is long overdue a mod to enhance the damage.

.303 should do what .50cal currently does. Then, .50 cal should be doing almost the amount of damage a 20mm is doing. Everything else seems to be right on the money.

Thanks,

Grayclif Van Gleason the III

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: Devil 505 on April 23, 2013, 12:50:00 PM

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Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: Karnak on April 23, 2013, 12:58:03 PM

You have grossly exaggerated ideas of what nonexplosive rounds do.

Per the US Navy a single M2 20mm cannon installation (Hispano Mk II in RAF service) provided the same firepower as an installation of three M2 .50 caliber machine guns.  That is, the ten 20mm rounds per second were equal to thirty-six .50 caliber rounds per second.

And you think the .50 caliber should do almost as much as a 20mm cannon?  

EDIT:

M2 20mm cannon against a 55 gallon steel drum (not an aluminum can):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXh4Q5jwg78

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: gyrene81 on April 23, 2013, 01:01:41 PM

you sure do a lot of thinking...not that it is good thinking.

consider the impact damage to solid materials like aluminum at 500+ yards using .30 cal ammo, especially when the projectile is chasing the target. you don't have the kinetic energy needed to cause the same damage that a .50 or 20mm would.

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: pervert on April 23, 2013, 01:46:44 PM

Quote from: Devil 505 on April 23, 2013, 12:50:00 PM

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Thats an easy one, its a troll

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: waystin2 on April 23, 2013, 01:54:16 PM

Yoaaa Boy....

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Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 23, 2013, 01:55:33 PM

Grayclif has been "pwning" players since 1999, he knows what he's talking about.

ack-ack

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: ink on April 23, 2013, 04:05:33 PM

Quote from: Ack-Ack on April 23, 2013, 01:55:33 PM

Grayclif has been getting "pawned" by players since 1999, he knows what he's talking about.

ack-ack

fixed that up for ya ACK :aok

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: deadstikmac on April 23, 2013, 04:28:25 PM

Quote from: pervert on April 23, 2013, 01:46:44 PM

Thats an easy one, its a troll

            :x            this is the second quote by you sir i have stolen for my sig... and what truth they have sir <S>                :x

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: Volron on April 23, 2013, 05:06:25 PM

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Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: titanic3 on April 23, 2013, 05:34:59 PM

(http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/73203-6/Snowman-punch-miss.gif)

Almost got it.

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: Volron on April 23, 2013, 07:24:25 PM

Quote from: titanic3 on April 23, 2013, 05:34:59 PM

(http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/73203-6/Snowman-punch-miss.gif)

Almost got it.

 :rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: FLS on April 23, 2013, 07:26:36 PM

Quote from: Grayclif on April 23, 2013, 12:42:49 PM

Folks, I have an assignment for you. If you have a 30-30 rifle, or a 30-06 even, go out and shoot a round into an aluminum can. Do it again with another can filled with water. What happens?

Imagine .30 cal ammo being sprayed into the body of an aircraft at hundreds of rounds per minute. The .303 ammo is long overdue a mod to enhance the damage.

.303 should do what .50cal currently does. Then, .50 cal should be doing almost the amount of damage a 20mm is doing. Everything else seems to be right on the money.

Thanks,

Grayclif Van Gleason the III

With practice your gunnery will improve. Setting your convergence to 200 for .30 cal and 300 for .50 cal and shooting at your convergence distance while keeping the ball centered will give you good results.

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: Nefarious on April 23, 2013, 07:50:01 PM

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Back row left to right: 20mm (M50 Series), .50 BMG
Middle row: 7.92x57 (1943), 7.92x57 (1942), 30.06, 7.62x54r
Front row: 7.62x39, 5.56x45

on my desk at home...

Title: Re: .303 cal ammo, long overdue a mod
Post by: Squire on April 23, 2013, 08:29:56 PM

Quote

With practice your gunnery will improve.

There is an assignment for him.