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Title: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Noir on April 26, 2013, 01:07:23 AM
Because its too easy to roll 20 gvs undetected, and nearly impossible to stop such raid
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Pand on April 26, 2013, 01:08:29 AM
Because its too easy to roll 20 gvs undetected, and nearly impossible to stop such raid
+1 but not necessarily for that reason.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Zacherof on April 26, 2013, 01:11:52 AM
+1 but not necessarily for that reason.

+1!!
perk farming with A20's and P40 with 1.5k ords

what your reason pand?
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: RotBaron on April 26, 2013, 01:19:42 AM
Because its too easy to roll 20 gvs undetected, and nearly impossible to stop such raid


No
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: RotBaron on April 26, 2013, 01:24:53 AM
+1!!
perk farming with A20's and P40 with 1.5k ords

what your reason pand?

Does anybody seriously need bomber perks?
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: bustr on April 26, 2013, 04:06:42 AM
Make it only viewable from the tower, a manned gun, or a GV.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Lusche on April 26, 2013, 04:17:46 AM
-1
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: HawkerMKII on April 26, 2013, 04:57:52 AM
Hmmmmm lets see, base flashing, no dar bar....maybe just maybe you should up a A20 and check things out.......-1 to easy button :salute
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Lusche on April 26, 2013, 05:01:43 AM
and do away with dar bar in total


Horrible idea.  :uhoh
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: waystin2 on April 26, 2013, 05:58:28 AM
-1
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Volron on April 26, 2013, 07:33:39 AM
No.

Now a base flashing when it's being shelled, yes!
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Noir on April 26, 2013, 07:53:27 AM
Hmmmmm lets see, base flashing, no dar bar....maybe just maybe you should up a A20 and check things out.......-1 to easy button :salute

Then an invisible flak get you. In your fall to the ground you realise there's 20 of them. Game over base lost.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Pand on April 26, 2013, 08:07:51 AM
+1!!
perk farming with A20's and P40 with 1.5k ords

what your reason pand?
Help in finding a GV fight that isn't a spawn camp trashfest.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: TOMCAT21 on April 26, 2013, 11:06:35 AM
no
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Zacherof on April 26, 2013, 11:34:10 AM
Help in finding a GV fight that isn't a spawn camp trashfest.
hmmm
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: thndregg on April 26, 2013, 01:10:54 PM
Unfortunately there are those who wish there to be absolutely no fog-of-war aspect in this game, a.k.a. easy-mode.

No, thank you.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Zoney on April 26, 2013, 01:14:18 PM
No.  I don't want to see that 70% of the players are in GV's.  :devil
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Lusche on April 26, 2013, 01:24:04 PM
No.  I don't want to see that 70% of the players are in GV's.  :devil

 :lol

We are not there...  yet  :noid
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Pand on April 26, 2013, 01:37:32 PM
No.  I don't want to see that 70% of the players are in GV's.  :devil
Exactly
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Wiley on April 26, 2013, 03:43:30 PM
:lol

We are not there...  yet  :noid

Betcha there are times it's over 50% for a relatively sustained period though... ;)

I used to like the idea of GV Bardar, but I can see the downside.  It would give too much easy info on where to go to egg tanks.

Wiley.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: thndregg on April 26, 2013, 06:23:33 PM
Betcha there are times it's over 50% for a relatively sustained period though... ;)

I used to like the idea of GV Bardar, but I can see the downside.  It would give too much easy info on where to go to egg tanks.

Wiley.

Agreed. Would like to actually hunt for GV's.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Lusche on April 26, 2013, 06:29:17 PM
Betcha there are times it's over 50% for a relatively sustained period though... ;)

The only map in rotation where I think it can come close to that is CraterMA, or for short periods at offpeak times.

On monthly average, ~24% of all players who are "inflight" are to be found in a GV (manned fild/ship guns excluded)
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: WWhiskey on April 26, 2013, 07:28:26 PM
While we are at it!  move the mouse over a base and get the alt of any and every con coming in,, 10 t-34,s  two B-29's at 30k and 7 jugs @ 7 k

  NO!


 sorry not realistic! GV's were not identified by radar at all In WW2,, had they rolled into GB  maybe,, but it never happened, and shouldn't happen here,,  the fact that the base flashes is more than anyone ever had in WW2
 which is after all, what this game is "loosely" based on!
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: The Fugitive on April 26, 2013, 07:34:52 PM
While there was no radar that covered tanks there were reports forwarded through channels reporting movements and approximate numbers.

I don't think there should be an accurate "darbar" that would give you numbers/size of the attack, but a light flashing in that sector to show there is ground movement in that sector. Numbers and location would be up to players to hunt down and figure out.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: icepac on April 26, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
It was tough enough to GV when some had black boxes that showed your location from nearly 1/2 sector out whenver vox was active.

Now that it's been fixed, I'm not willing to drive two sectors just to have some guy spend 45 seconds to bomb me because the game has done away with the tactic called "stealth".
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Noir on April 27, 2013, 03:09:01 AM
radars don't pick up gvs in real life, but a column of tanks don't go cross country unnoticed either
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: bozon on April 28, 2013, 07:59:31 AM
Hmmmmm lets see, base flashing, no dar bar....maybe just maybe you should up a A20 and check things out.......-1 to easy button :salute
How about a base flashing and there is a single slab on the red bar in the sector. What is it? a single con over the stratosphere, or a single con in the stratosphere and 20 GVs on the ground?

I don't think there should be an accurate "darbar" that would give you numbers/size of the attack, but a light flashing in that sector to show there is ground movement in that sector. Numbers and location would be up to players to hunt down and figure out.
Darbar is not accurate even for planes. You need to be able to tell the difference between 2 and 20 vehicles in the sector. If it is 2 3 or 4 it does not matter.

"Darbar" is a bad name because it is not really representing radar, even for planes. The dots represent the radar that gives exact location and nobody is asking for that for GVs. The bars are the general information about the order of forces as gathered by HQ from various sources.

In AH there are no radars or any form of intel modeled. Both the bars and the dots are gameplay aids to encourage the defenders to respond instead of having a game consisting of only milkruns.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Zacherof on April 28, 2013, 04:54:51 PM
radars don't pick up gvs in real life, but a column of tanks don't go cross country unnoticed either

so there should be something to signafy that.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: lunatic1 on April 29, 2013, 05:14:35 PM
because they did not have ground level radar in wwII.other than the foot soldier or a stray plane
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: Mano on April 29, 2013, 08:17:40 PM
If only GV's could see the GV bar.......and not visible from the tower. It might be a good addition, But since you can hear GV's within 3.5 k there really is no need.  Missions with M-18's would come to an end if someone could see a huge GV mission in bound. When a field starts flashing someone always lets everyone know.
Title: Re: GV 'darbars'
Post by: bozon on April 30, 2013, 03:55:32 AM
If only GV's could see the GV bar.......and not visible from the tower. It might be a good addition, But since you can hear GV's within 3.5 k there really is no need.  Missions with M-18's would come to an end if someone could see a huge GV mission in bound. When a field starts flashing someone always lets everyone know.
You completely misunderstand the purpose of the bars. In a GV and to lesser extent in a plane, the bars are unimportant once you have spawned. The bars are there to decide where to spawn from.

The way I read it, you do not want GV bars because you want unopposed "huge GV mission" in M18s.

If what you want to avoid is planes attacking your GVs I can only give you the advice that bomber guys have been getting for years - get some escort/aircover. I'll be happy to provide some myself if only I knew where the heck to find our GVs besides in tank town.