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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: pervert on April 27, 2013, 01:52:55 PM
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This needs to be tightened up a lot of what I see the MA these days is just retarded stick stirring and it seems to be a viable option to exploit the fact you are connected to the internet and escape death. Or maybe something to detect if it is affecting your connection and lock the controls up, if it doesn't already do that.
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so is staying high above a base and picking off planes as they take off.
semp
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so is staying high above a base and picking off planes as they take off.
semp
Well that makes no sense, almost as much as your running commentary in game on how you forget to do this or that for your gf...
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Please hold still so I may kill you.
Fixed
Pervert is my friend :)
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This needs to be tightened up a lot of what I see the MA these days is just retarded stick stirring and it seems to be a viable option to exploit the fact you are connected to the internet and escape death. Or maybe something to detect if it is affecting your connection and lock the controls up, if it doesn't already do that.
Did you run into KrisKros in his stick stirring 190 too? :devil
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My internet is on the faster side of most peoples (computer is crap though) so I laugh at people who try to stick stir away from me. I'll just casually follow them for a while and get bored enough to just shoot them down.
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Well that makes no sense, almost as much as your running commentary in game on how you forget to do this or that for your gf...
neither does yours. you cant change how other people are gonna play the game. for example one thing that annoys me is players in 109's whose only move is trying to rope somebody. and they'll do it over and over till i get enough altitude and kill them.
semp
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neither does yours. you cant change how other people are gonna play the game. for example one thing that annoys me is players in 109's whose only move is trying to rope somebody. and they'll do it over and over till i get enough altitude and kill them.
semp
Honestly I'm surprised at you saying that from what I seen of you, you couldn't beat your way out of a wet paper bag semp, you pretty much need 3 or 4 guys to distract a guy in a fight other than that your hopeless and seem to have no idea whats actually happening, I have a film of you making 6 I think attempts to kill me in a 4 v 1 and if the other guys hadn't have been there you would end up with your tail between your legs running.
You also seem think its really lame of me to up from a capped field with your hoarde hanging over it, evade all your silly attempts at shooting me down get some distance and alt and go do the same to the field the hoarde is upping from single handed? :rofl
The difference is I can do that all on my own, you on the other hand I have only ever found in the middle of a giant hoarde or at 25k over your own base :rofl When I get home I will post the film of your supposed easy victory over me that you were tooting your horn about on 200. A guy who used to be in the same squad as you PMed me seeing the discussion on 200 and told me to ignore you that you like to drink a bit much, and when the drinks in the wits out, maybe you should ease off the old juice before you start typing huh? :salute
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Pervert,
i was flying with a mouse and often got my controls locked up trying to get my guns on theese.
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It could be the flight model is weak in the slow speed region that allows stick stering to work.
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Honestly I'm surprised at you saying that from what I seen of you, you couldn't beat your way out of a wet paper bag semp, you pretty much need 3 or 4 guys to distract a guy in a fight other than that your hopeless and seem to have no idea whats actually happening, I have a film of you making 6 I think attempts to kill me in a 4 v 1 and if the other guys hadn't have been there you would end up with your tail between your legs running.
You also seem think its really lame of me to up from a capped field with your hoarde hanging over it, evade all your silly attempts at shooting me down get some distance and alt and go do the same to the field the hoarde is upping from single handed? :rofl
The difference is I can do that all on my own, you on the other hand I have only ever found in the middle of a giant hoarde or at 25k over your own base :rofl When I get home I will post the film of your supposed easy victory over me that you were tooting your horn about on 200. A guy who used to be in the same squad as you PMed me seeing the discussion on 200 and told me to ignore you that you like to drink a bit much, and when the drinks in the wits out, maybe you should ease off the old juice before you start typing huh? :salute
see now you are understanding. you cant control how others play the game. you just gave three examples of things that could be controlled.
1. change the game to allow me to fight myself out of a wet paper bag.
2. stop allowing me to pick a guy that is distracted by 4 or 5 other players.
3 stop your awesomeness to up from a capped field so you can go kill them vulchers as they take off.
but to add to your wish. what players do to stall the airplane would also stop you from turning your plane fast.
semp
edit: about the 25k thing that hurts. ask anybody that has flown with me and they will tell you that I am too lazy to fly up to 25k. anything above 10k is way to high and I consider it a waste of time. only time I go higher than 10k is when I am trying to go higher than a guy that is just bnz'ing everybody at a base. that is the same reason I dont like to attack a base that is more than 2 sectors away. I dont like to spend what time I have playing flying for 15 or 20 minutes to get to a base.
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(http://www.tommyzor.com/images/flamewar.jpg)
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I find it is planes that roll well where the lag effect is worse, see spit 16 and 190s.
rather than a stick lock up I would prefer a permanent red out when people shove their stick forward at high speed to evade a kill shot.
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with respect,* thats a terrible idea, the Hartmann maneuver is completely legit and in no way gamey.
*edit ;)
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Just so I don't misunderstand the complaint...what is "stick stirring"?
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Just so I don't misunderstand the complaint...what is "stick stirring"?
:joystick:
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Just so I don't misunderstand the complaint...what is "stick stirring"?
I don't really mind any sort of stick stirring that I doesn't affect the connection it just means I can get closer quicker and the con loses the E to maneuver and becomes an easy kill, I think what is happening is spiking the stick ie pushing to extremities quickly, so fast that the game cannot catch up with were it was in game, usually in a more manoeuvrable plane. What you are looking at is where the guy was before he started lunging his stick around then he disappears into the ground or worse you end up in a collision.
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Perv,
This is how the controls work now!
How the rate works.
1 unit of measure is the distance from stick center to an edge.
The system will allow you a sustained rate of 2 units per second. And you can burst up to 4 units a second.
I.E. to trigger the message you would have to go from center to full left then full right the full left then full right in less then one second.
So you are either really slamming the joy stick around, or you have a stick that is creating false inputs.
HiTech
:salute
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Perv,
This is how the controls work now!
How the rate works.
1 unit of measure is the distance from stick center to an edge.
The system will allow you a sustained rate of 2 units per second. And you can burst up to 4 units a second.
I.E. to trigger the message you would have to go from center to full left then full right the full left then full right in less then one second.
So you are either really slamming the joy stick around, or you have a stick that is creating false inputs.
HiTech
:salute
Thanks morf I done a quick search after reading that read some more stuff from hitech while I understand how it works I have no idea how some guys are having this effect, it is irritating perhaps stick stirring is the wrong phrase for it, it is perhaps in the parametres you quoted but not enough to trigger the stick lock up? And maybe dodgy connections on mine or his side? The last time I got a stick lock was in WW1 fighting Fester :rofl
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see now you are understanding. you cant control how others play the game. you just gave three examples of things that could be controlled.
1. change the game to allow me to fight myself out of a wet paper bag.
2. stop allowing me to pick a guy that is distracted by 4 or 5 other players.
3 stop your awesomeness to up from a capped field so you can go kill them vulchers as they take off.
but to add to your wish. what players do to stall the airplane would also stop you from turning your plane fast.
semp
edit: about the 25k thing that hurts. ask anybody that has flown with me and they will tell you that I am too lazy to fly up to 25k. anything above 10k is way to high and I consider it a waste of time. only time I go higher than 10k is when I am trying to go higher than a guy that is just bnz'ing everybody at a base. that is the same reason I dont like to attack a base that is more than 2 sectors away. I dont like to spend what time I have playing flying for 15 or 20 minutes to get to a base.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ikq94f (http://www.sendspace.com/file/ikq94f)
Semp heres your film of you owning me, have a look at from your plane you are clueless you fly around constantly trying to keep your piper on my plane and holding down the trigger I count 5 attempts plus one failed head on attempt before you actually got me, have a look through my views I am primarily concerned with Doright in the 38 and Syko in the LA7.
I am not concerned with you because you are flying much like really bad AI, you fly piper on plane and hold down the trigger not taking into account angles of your opponent despite him being heavily distracted by a few other planes, much of the times you overshoot I am actually completely unaware of your existence. Far from your boasting on 200 about shooting me down a better term to describe it would be,
"I was benefactor of circumstance"
If I had not gone vertical after Syko 2:23 I could have had the speed to make you overshoot again and again until my engine quit. Here is your easy win :rofl
(http://i40.tinypic.com/x4lfr.jpg)
I find your outrage at me coming over to your field to shoot your country men down hilarious as seen in the video the lot of you with the exception of doright were not really interested in anything but the kill. Why do you think that what you have to offer would interest me in a fight it is what it looks like bad AI, I've seen it a thousand times before :rofl
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http://www.sendspace.com/file/ikq94f (http://www.sendspace.com/file/ikq94f)
Semp heres your film of you owning me, have a look at from your plane you are clueless you fly around constantly trying to keep your piper on my plane and holding down the trigger I count 5 attempts plus one failed head on attempt before you actually got me, have a look through my views I am primarily concerned with Doright in the 38 and Syko in the LA7.
I am not concerned with you because you are flying much like really bad AI, you fly piper on plane and hold down the trigger not taking into account angles of your opponent despite him being heavily distracted by a few other planes, much of the times you overshoot I am actually completely unaware of your existence. Far from your boasting on 200 about shooting me down a better term to describe it would be,
"I was benefactor of circumstance"
If I had not gone vertical after Syko 2:23 I could have had the speed to make you overshoot again and again until my engine quit. Here is your easy win :rofl
(http://i40.tinypic.com/x4lfr.jpg)
I find your outrage at me coming over to your field to shoot your country men down hilarious as seen in the video the lot of you with the exception of doright were not really interested in anything but the kill. Why do you think that what you have to offer would interest me in a fight it is what it looks like bad AI, I've seen it a thousand times before :rofl
and what does have to do with your wish?
I mean other than i was patient enough to keel you after you picked a few that were low and slow taking off the field?
semp
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and what does have to do with your wish?
I mean other than i was patient enough to keel you after you picked a few that were low and slow taking off the field?
semp
What does this (your first reply) have to do with my wish :rofl
so is staying high above a base and picking off planes as they take off.
semp
You asked you got your reply, aren't you just a guy who hangs out in wishlist poo pooing people's wishs as though you were hitech? I wouldn't mind if I thought you had any sort of understanding about what you were talking about but just like your flying you are clueless, go have another drink mate. :rofl
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What does this (your first reply) have to do with my wish :rofl
You asked you got your reply, aren't you just a guy who hangs out in wishlist poo pooing people's wishs as though you were hitech? I wouldn't mind if I thought you had any sort of understanding about what you were talking about but just like your flying you are clueless, go have another drink mate. :rofl
so I fly clueless? :rofl :rofl :rofl have you ever seen me post something like you did in this thread trying to change how others play :rofl :rofl
you are a great player pervert, however you cant just come over here and try to change the game so you can kill that con that got away. :devil.
semp
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so I fly clueless? :rofl :rofl :rofl have you ever seen me post something like you did in this thread trying to change how others play :rofl :rofl
you are a great player pervert, however you cant just come over here and try to change the game so you can kill that con that got away. :devil.
semp
Semp, I am not talking about someone trying to evade me by hmmm traditional stick stirring, when people slam their stick about so hard they disappear in the ground or ram you why not try and get it seen to? I only want the game within the parametres it should be I cannot hit what I cannot see.
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post some film to illustrate your original complaint (extreme stick stirring) and maybe HiTech will have a look into it :aok
best you can hope for
i did enjoy the film of semp trying to fly though, makes me feel better about myself :>
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Perv,
This is how the controls work now!
How the rate works.
1 unit of measure is the distance from stick center to an edge.
The system will allow you a sustained rate of 2 units per second. And you can burst up to 4 units a second.
I.E. to trigger the message you would have to go from center to full left then full right the full left then full right in less then one second.
So you are either really slamming the joy stick around, or you have a stick that is creating false inputs.
HiTech
:salute
I had the message "...controls so rapidly" when I wasn't doing the things mentioned above. At that time I had a 3Dextremepro that was many years old. The stick still seemed to work well under most other circumstances. At the advice of other players I changed the scaling a bit and have not ever received the message again. I have a new stick now, same 3D, still have not ever received the message again. What I wonder is if I can go back to the default settings (more responsive,) i.e. if it was the age of the stick, or if I'm likely to receive the message again by doing so? Usually I would get the message when trying to avoid the field/town ack.
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post some film to illustrate your original complaint (extreme stick stirring) and maybe HiTech will have a look into it :aok
best you can hope for
i did enjoy the film of semp trying to fly though, makes me feel better about myself :>
in my defense and I think the film shows it. i had a slice of pizza in one hand while trying to fly with the other :). I even said in on 200.
semp
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This is too much piss and vinegar over something you don't get a paycheck for doing. Or the fate of your respective countries hangs on the outcome of your actions. Sounds like a rageaholic room trasher screaming at a weekend beer guzzling ball fan. The two don't mix. Even the muppets don't loose it this far anymore over who's got the longest shillelagh in these forums.
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I wonder if the modeling is soft around the flight elements so the planes are easier to fly. Then to counter that ,they had to put in code to try to limit players taking advantage of the easy flight models.
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pervert, I've seen this and agree it is very annoying... doras, 16s, and even p51s.. I think it is a stir that the system is trying to keep up with but unable to for whatever reason..
is it correct that one could stir as much and as fast as they want if they never take their stick to full deflection?
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you cant change how other people are gonna play the game.
semp
You really took this thread off course this this comment. Stick stirring and it's effects are not a "Playing style". It is a gamey defect that makes the plane you are chasing pop up and down unrealistically. It is caused by a deficiency in the update rate of plane positions do to the way the internet works. To me, it looks like the CG of the aircraft "translates" without the "rotations" that should have preceeded the movement. So it's extremely hard to predict which way the plane is going to "twitch" so you waste a lot of ammo.
Pervert is frustrated by it, and wants to know if there is some technical improvement that can be made that can correct it. HiTech already tries to control it on the input side by putting some limits on the stick movement.
CoomZy makes a good point about posting film. Showing the phenomena would really help illustrate something that seems to defy physics is actually happening or not. If not then, in my opinion, it shouldn't be corrected. But I know how to lead a target. When I'm on his dead six, I expect the nose to come up and the tail to go down before the plane's center of mass moves upward. And once that happens, it has to go up, then the tail needs to go up, and the nose down before it goes down, etc. Often time I see the nose go up, and I have the pipper there trying to time the shot, and squeeze the trigger expecting a hit, but the plane rotates down and sinks, without ever having popped up. I start wasting ammo and question how that was possible. It could be just perception, or it could be a real miss in the update of the plane's true position due to way internet connection have to work.
It's worth studying if there is really something to it. :salute
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you mean I am in the only one that can hit a plane when it does that? it maybe a last resort for somebody to avoid getting killed, but it also makes it easier to kill him
semp
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Ah the streetfighter warp combo move. The plane's pointing up, it's pointing down, it's pointing east, wait south. It stopped moving! Crap where did it go? There are probably a lot of people who don't know what pervert is talking about because they've never seen it, or if they did they probably just thought it was net lag rather than something deliberately induced. There used to be a typhoon driver that was notorious for this move, and unapologetic. When you saw a break dancing typhoon you knew who it was. The worst part about it is that it is a very repeatable move. If you see this move take note of who the player was because chances are you will see the player do it again.
Semp you can't hit a plane when it's doing that. No disrespect, but I'm not sure if you know exactly what we're talking about.
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How on earth do you stickstir in a typhie? It has the roll rate of an ocean liner ... :huh
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lag switching into the ground that is very gamey and very cheatery like just saying I've seen it many times...........
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Can't remember who it was, but I encountered a Spit16 the other night that was stirring like a mofo. Plane was just flapping up, down, up down, kick a little rudder, repeat. It really looked like a bunch of weird micro warps, but as soon as I or anyone else was off this guys six he would fly like normal.
Makes no sense to me how he could do it since I've recieved the message trying to say hello to a passing plane before. :headscratch:
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Semp you can't hit a plane when it's doing that. No disrespect, but I'm not sure if you know exactly what we're talking about.
Sure you can, it may not be easy, but I did it myself twice yesterday flying a P47 against the same guy in a Dora. I'm not saying I like it and I agree it's mighty gamey, but they are throwing their E away, they aren't making logical moves to get away because they aren't even looking behind to see where I am.
Yes I would love to see HT code it out but as he has said 10,000 times you must watch out for the "unintended consequences". It certainly would not be high enough on my wish list priority to make a thread about it even.
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Sure you can, it may not be easy, but I did it myself twice yesterday flying a P47 against the same guy in a Dora. I'm not saying I like it and I agree it's mighty gamey, but they are throwing their E away, they aren't making logical moves to get away because they aren't even looking behind to see where I am.
Yes I would love to see HT code it out but as he has said 10,000 times you must watch out for the "unintended consequences". It certainly would not be high enough on my wish list priority to make a thread about it even.
How far did he warp? Maybe it's been fixed.
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Pervert,
i was flying with a mouse and often got my controls locked up trying to get my guns on theese.
I fly with mouse and i can hold my own against most...I have never had a lock up (unless being silly in RV8) try some deadban.