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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: BigR on April 27, 2013, 07:08:05 PM
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I have been going back and forth between nvidia and ATI(AMD) since I got rid of my Voodoo2 about 15 years ago. They have both always made decent cards and I never really had any real issues with them until a few years ago when I bought an AMD 6870. It ran AH well enough but I always had strange issues where my frame rate would drop out of nowhere. Other Strange things would happen as well. I replaced that with a 7850. Frame rate issue went away, but i started getting crazy graphical glitches. My brother has Nvidia and I noticed that his nearly identical system didnt suffer such problems in AH. On top of that, when you enable the new "shiny" effects on the nvidia, you can actually see the effect. When I do it on my 7850, nothing seems to happen. It just sits there and the frame rates go to crap. Anyway, I was getting frustrated so I ordered a GTX660 as a stop gap until I totally upgrade my entire system in about a year or 2. Everything is awesome now. Game runs flawlessly. Colors look way better. Its like an entirely different game. What I don't understand is that my AMD cards always worked great in every other game. I have had no problems at all except in AH. Do the AMD drivers just not play well with AH? Has anyone else noticed Nvidia's superiority in AH?
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eh..meant to post this in the Hardware forum. Doh.
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Some games suffers with Nvidia , and some game suffers with AMD, by design.
I think Nvidia/Intel might be a better dollar/performance for AH2, but might lose in other contests specially with maxed out anti-aliasing etc.
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My 7850 has absolutely no issues running this game, nor did the Crossfired 5770's before it.
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I got an old 4830 works like a charm....
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I went back to nVidia with my latest builds myself. One thing I will say is that SLI makes almost no difference performance wise with FPS in AH2 as does just a single 680 video card. Lesson being, listen to Skuzzy when he says the SLI profile from nVidia has never setup well with Aces High.
I`m not sure of xFire has the same result with the AMD cards, but I would advise anyone going for big performance to stick with a Titan over 2 680s in SLI, or even just get one 680, if AH2 is the primary focus of your gaming existence.
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I get serious graphical glitches in AH on my 7870 (single frames where half will be a white horizontal bar or many objects, such as trees, will suddenly be rendered many feet in the wrong place, again for a single rendered frame). I also get constant Z-fighting issues for many objects, like the long barns or even vehicles. (Z-fighting is where the card renders something that should be blocked by something else in front, for example showing the textures of the inside of the long barn instead of the outside, when viewing it from a long distance, or showing the silos in front when they are really in back.)
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715, have you tried changing to different drivers? That sounds a lot like driver issues, try uninstalling them, running a driver sweeper/cleaner, and then re installing the latest drivers for 7870 cards.
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Some games suffers with Nvidia , and some game suffers with AMD, by design.
I think Nvidia/Intel might be a better dollar/performance for AH2, but might lose in other contests specially with maxed out anti-aliasing etc.
Other games don't matter. There is only AH.
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Heya BigR, my Daughter's PC needs a replacement video card........ PM me if you are wanting to part with either that 6870 or 7850 ATI card ..... ( or if you want to part with both of them )
I myself have used both Nivida on 2 pc builds for AH that currently have no issues ( all though they are older video cards ) and my personal (2) current PCs use XFX AMD/ATI cards with no issues in Aces High....... one has the XFX 6870 1 GB vidcard dual cooling fans, and the other uses an XFX 6950 2 GB vidcard dual cooling fans........
I can not tell a difference in visual terrain effects from the Nvidia 1 GB cards over the XFX ATI cards...... I do research my drivers though.....
not sure if this is of an help
<S> BigR
TC ( Johnny )
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Tequila C ~
Strong chance I'll have a Evga GF 9800 GTX+ card coming free in a few weeks...maybe less. Interested?
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Tequila C ~
Strong chance I'll have a Evga GF 9800 GTX+ card coming free in a few weeks...maybe less. Interested?
sure Max,
Jamie isn't picky, LOL....... just shoot me a PM.......... thanks Bro
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Johnny ( TC )
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Heya BigR, my Daughter's PC needs a replacement video card........ PM me if you are wanting to part with either that 6870 or 7850 ATI card ..... ( or if you want to part with both of them )
I myself have used both Nivida on 2 pc builds for AH that currently have no issues ( all though they are older video cards ) and my personal (2) current PCs use XFX AMD/ATI cards with no issues in Aces High....... one has the XFX 6870 1 GB vidcard dual cooling fans, and the other uses an XFX 6950 2 GB vidcard dual cooling fans........
I can not tell a difference in visual terrain effects from the Nvidia 1 GB cards over the XFX ATI cards...... I do research my drivers though.....
not sure if this is of an help
<S> BigR
TC ( Johnny )
TC,
I always use the latest drivers from AMD, especially with the 7000 series because the original drivers were so horrible, and they have made quite an improvement in performance since then. AH being such a nitch game, there really isnt much driver specific information out there to draw on, especially for newer cards. I never had bad frame rates with the 7850....just strange flashes on the screen randomly, and only in AH. My 6870 was the same way....it had different issues, but only in AH. I tried 3 different power supplies, all of high quality. I reformatted my machine and that didn't make a difference either. I would say its some other hardware issue, but what makes me stop is that no other games have these problems. In the past year on my 7850 ive played Fallout 3, Skyrim, WOW, The Old Republic, Sim City, TF2, Borderlands2, Bioshock Infinite, and some others im forgetting now. They all played flawlessly on the 7850. I dunno...I am not going to worry about it anymore. I have enough crap to deal with :lol. I am happy with the GTX660.
I am currently using the 6870 in a hackintosh build and it runs fantastic in that machine. The 7850 is going to a buddy that is running an HD4000 without a dedicated video card. He hasn't had the funds to finish his system, so I was going to hook him up. I do tend to get my hands on extra parts pretty often, so if I come across a decent video card anytime soon, I will let you know.
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I understand BigR, ... I do recall a few AH patches updates ago that HTC did address an anomally that was to do with
issues that some ATI video cards were having/showing in game... if I recall correctly, it actually was regarding the
same problem you have described... I don't know which exact update it was in without going back and researching the
version changes.... Which is hard to do on this mobile phone I'm on right now....
I appreciate the thought, but Max has my daughter's videocards need taken care of, but thank you
for offering, BigR, it is gratefully appreciated, Sir!!
Cheers
TC
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715, have you tried changing to different drivers? That sounds a lot like driver issues, try uninstalling them, running a driver sweeper/cleaner, and then re installing the latest drivers for 7870 cards.
It has the latest driver that supports XP (which isn't the very latest driver available). Thanks for the idea though.
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I am playing using onboard quad core a6 3620 amd graphics. I run steady 60 fr, have most things enable including hi res.
To the OP, when you get the card, have you checked it's required power supply output for that card?
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I am playing using onboard quad core a6 3620 amd graphics. I run steady 60 fr, have most things enable including hi res.
To the OP, when you get the card, have you checked it's required power supply output for that card?
somehow I doubt that you run that high with onboard graphics.
semp
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I have run both ATI and Nvidia, both about the same to me. I run a 6950 now and no problems. I don't play much anymore , but when I do..no problems at all.
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Using driver sweeper is a must :old:
Why do driver updates not take off old drivers?
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It has the latest driver that supports XP (which isn't the very latest driver available). Thanks for the idea though.
Might be the time to update.. XP is EOL.
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All those artifacts you guys are seeing is a known 78series issue with the drivers.The newest beta 13.5 should clear all that up..I have 2 7950 boost cards and i have zero issues.But i do notice there is no improvement over a single card in this game.Also when did they set a frame limit to 100 in AH?I go offline to test my frames and it stays at 100 all the time..
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All those artifacts you guys are seeing is a known 78series issue with the drivers.The newest beta 13.5 should clear all that up..I have 2 7950 boost cards and i have zero issues.But i do notice there is no improvement over a single card in this game.Also when did they set a frame limit to 100 in AH?I go offline to test my frames and it stays at 100 all the time..
We do not cap the frame rate. If you checked the "Disable VSync" option in the "Video Settings" we run as fast as the video card drivers/hardware will allow.
The attached image shows my system (ATI 7950), at home, running 1920x1080, full anti-aliasing, 2048 texture size, and all graphics options checked in the "Options->Graphic Details->Advanced" panel.
I checked the "Disable VSync" option for this test.
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I should note, the NVidia SLI and ATI Crossfire profiles suck for Aces High. They are using generic profiles, which do not come close to any level approaching optimum for the game.
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Might be the time to update.. XP is EOL.
That is certainly true, but I'm an old man and my tolerance for problems of astronomical proportions, as would likely occur with an OS update, has fallen to very low levels. Plus I'd probably lose a bunch of old software I depend on due to incompatibilities.
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I should note, the NVidia SLI and ATI Crossfire profiles suck for Aces High. They are using generic profiles, which do not come close to any level approaching optimum for the game.
As I stated in another thread, nothing could be more true than this. IMO it should be a sticky at the top of the tech support/hardware forum, haha. After personal experience I always recommend other players to NOT go SLI if AH2 is their primary game or reason for upgrading.
Skuzzy, was your reflections setting cranked all the way to the left at 100% in that test? Also, can you be more specific with your AA settings, I know most people consider 4x full AA, but with 8 and 16x available, as well as a bunch of other selectable things like FXAA and about a 1/2 dozen other XXAA or YYAA, I just want to be 100% correct on what I'm telling people when I use your 7950 results as an example.
Also, just as a supporting bit of info, if one is to use a 120hz or 144hz monitor, you'll see that AH2 is absolutely NOT locked at 100fps, as I have my Vsync "ON", and still see 143 or 144 FPS about 95% of the time I'm flying with my Asus 144hz monitors, with either a single or SLI 680 gtx4gb card, and that's with every option checked, 2048 textures @1980 1080P res, shadows at 8092 (max) and the environmental/reflections tab at 80%, one click back from the full left.
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somehow I doubt that you run that high with onboard graphics.
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Not sure how to quantify it other than to say I have it at 1024 shadow, but I do not enable ground clutter. I do not bump map anything, not sure what it means. All sliders 1/4" from full, water on detailed terrain off. Not the "best" but certainly a far cry from anything my last one was capable of. For some reason I am thinking I have it at 2056 for texture as well. It really is very capable imo. Certainly more than it gets credit for.
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Not sure how to quantify it other than to say I have it at 1024 shadow, but I do not enable ground clutter. I do not bump map anything, not sure what it means. All sliders 1/4" from full, water on detailed terrain off. Not the "best" but certainly a far cry from anything my last one was capable of. For some reason I am thinking I have it at 2056 for texture as well. It really is very capable imo. Certainly more than it gets credit for.
you don't have most things on. not sure if you are actually using hires either. but if you are happy then that is all that matters.
semp
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As I stated in another thread, nothing could be more true than this. IMO it should be a sticky at the top of the tech support/hardware forum, haha. After personal experience I always recommend other players to NOT go SLI if AH2 is their primary game or reason for upgrading.
Skuzzy, was your reflections setting cranked all the way to the left at 100% in that test? Also, can you be more specific with your AA settings, I know most people consider 4x full AA, but with 8 and 16x available, as well as a bunch of other selectable things like FXAA and about a 1/2 dozen other XXAA or YYAA, I just want to be 100% correct on what I'm telling people when I use your 7950 results as an example.
Also, just as a supporting bit of info, if one is to use a 120hz or 144hz monitor, you'll see that AH2 is absolutely NOT locked at 100fps, as I have my Vsync "ON", and still see 143 or 144 FPS about 95% of the time I'm flying with my Asus 144hz monitors, with either a single or SLI 680 gtx4gb card, and that's with every option checked, 2048 textures @1980 1080P res, shadows at 8092 (max) and the environmental/reflections tab at 80%, one click back from the full left.
Sorry for the delay. I used the in-game anti-alias slider, set it to full. All the video card (ATI/AMD 7950 w/3GB of video RAM) settings are at defaults for the driver.
I have attached screenshots of what each notch of the environment slider does to my frame rate, along with the in-game graphics details settings. The "Video Settings" are: 1920x10800 resolution, 2048 texture size, and full anti-alias. For the purposes of this test, I have checked the "Disable VSync" option.
I should mention all the images were taken from the cockpit of the B29 while on the NE runway on ndisles, offline.
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Here are the last two screenshots.
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ATI cards have always handled AA better than Nvidia cards while Nvidia cards to a better job with shadows.
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ATI cards have always handled AA better than Nvidia cards while Nvidia cards to a better job with shadows.
Yep.
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I've got an older system by todays standards that still runs the game well by my standards.
About a year ago I started experiencing very occasional and random "flashes" on my screen (a bright white semi-second flash). Soon after that I started to experience game freeze-ups when looking around very quickly while sitting on a v base (and only in that situation). The flashes are nothing more than annoying. The freeze up's force me to hard power off, reboot and re-enter the game. My system boots relatively qyuickly for a spin drive and my system/cpu/graphics temps are always normal when booting back up.
I've tried older and newer drivers to no avail. I've not reported this as I don't really play that much anymore.
I find it interesting TC mentioned a "fix" for ATI cards because I'm guessing now it corresponds with the glitches I started to see with my Nvidia card.
I also have no other issues in any other game than AH.
Because of this I've actually been a little PO'd that AH allowed the disco reconnection feature as it buries the real number of discos and glitches being experienced by the players.
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I've got an older system by todays standards that still runs the game well by my standards.
:aok That piece of wisdom will be quoted in my sig. Talking about regression is nonsense as long as people can afford unnecessary upgrades.
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Because of this I've actually been a little PO'd that AH allowed the disco reconnection feature as it buries the real number of discos and glitches being experienced by the players.
Actually, it does not mask anything. The server records the disconnects. The purpose of the reconnect is too work around the 89% Internet/network related discos we have no control over.
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Awesome, thanks Skuzzy, I know that took a bit of time away from you.
That's pretty much what I expected to see as well, Skuzzy's system being very new and high end and all, but now it's plainly visible for any and all to see results wise.
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My 7850 has lately developed a disturbing flashing lines from about center of the screen. They originate from the center and extend to the sides. It looks like as if the texture tears and goes back to normal very rapidly. It came up a few months ago after a game update.
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My 7850 has lately developed a disturbing flashing lines from about center of the screen. They originate from the center and extend to the sides. It looks like as if the texture tears and goes back to normal very rapidly. It came up a few months ago after a game update.
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I had them too untill I updated to the beta driver. Try it.
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I'll be damned, it worked. Installed 13.3 Beta2s and the annoying flickering is gone.
Thx Rip!
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I'll be damned, it worked. Installed 13.3 Beta2s and the annoying flickering is gone.
Thx Rip!
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What driver version were you using? 13.4 is out and seems pretty stable in winblows XP.
All the Best...
Jay
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The previous one was Cat 13.1 WHQL.
I also tried 13.2 but the same problem persisted.
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What driver version were you using? 13.4 is out and seems pretty stable in winblows XP.
I installed 13.4 on XP SP3 and it appears to have not only fixed the flashing line artifacts and misplaced object problems, but also the Z-fighting issues I was having. Also, the fps are either the same or perhaps even higher than my previous driver. [Radeon 7870]
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We do not cap the frame rate. If you checked the "Disable VSync" option in the "Video Settings" we run as fast as the video card drivers/hardware will allow.
The attached image shows my system (ATI 7950), at home, running 1920x1080, full anti-aliasing, 2048 texture size, and all graphics options checked in the "Options->Graphic Details->Advanced" panel.
I checked the "Disable VSync" option for this test.
I only noticed it in offline as i have been away from game for a little bit building my gaming rig..But it does not go above 100fps..It really just stays right at 100.I have everything maxed out except the update slider.I am also at 1440p..
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I installed 13.4 on XP SP3 and it appears to have not only fixed the flashing line artifacts and misplaced object problems, but also the Z-fighting issues I was having. Also, the fps are either the same or perhaps even higher than my previous driver. [Radeon 7870]
I'm so happy that it's worked for you!
All the Best...
Jay
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We do not cap the frame rate. If you checked the "Disable VSync" option in the "Video Settings" we run as fast as the video card drivers/hardware will allow.
The attached image shows my system (ATI 7950), at home, running 1920x1080, full anti-aliasing, 2048 texture size, and all graphics options checked in the "Options->Graphic Details->Advanced" panel.
I checked the "Disable VSync" option for this test.
It must have been something else locking my frame at 100..I went in there yesterday and was at 150 fps at 1440p with everything maxed except the slider turned off..With any notch of slider i get some coil whine..
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I only noticed it in offline as i have been away from game for a little bit building my gaming rig..But it does not go above 100fps..It really just stays right at 100.I have everything maxed out except the update slider.I am also at 1440p..
When I SLI'd my machine I was getting 280-320 fps in the MA but I couldn't enable vsync so the screen tearing sucked.
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When I SLI'd my machine I was getting 280-320 fps in the MA but I couldn't enable vsync so the screen tearing sucked.
Ya but at what resolution were u running?Right now i get around 170fps on a 1440p monitor with everything maxed except enviro slider..
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I think 1680 x 1050 is native for my 22" LG Monitor.