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Title: M-26 pershing
Post by: 800nate800 on April 30, 2013, 10:17:17 PM
Armor    (T26E3) Upper hull = 100mm
Lower hull and turret sides= 76mm

armament    90 mm Gun M3
70 rounds

Secondary
armament    2 × Browning .30-06

5,000 rounds

1 × Browning .50 cal.
550 rounds


Speed    25 mph (40 km/h) (road)
5.25 mph (8.45 km/h)(off-road)
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: WWhiskey on April 30, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
Plus 1 :aok
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Butcher on April 30, 2013, 11:51:48 PM
-1

Ton of vehicles are needed to fill the roles of EW and MW first for scenario purposes.
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Mitsu on May 01, 2013, 12:04:11 AM
Bring Chiha to Aces High!

Uh Oh, it's -1... :uhoh

Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Butcher on May 01, 2013, 12:18:17 AM
Bring Chiha to Aces High!

Uh Oh, it's -1... :uhoh



We need the Type 97 Chi-Ha - this way we can have ground vehicles during FSO and scenarios on the Pacific front. Why let the ETO have all the fun? :D
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Eric19 on May 01, 2013, 06:50:37 AM
+1 to all ground vehicles I probably won't drive the chi-ha though as it is a death trap in WOT lol
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Arlo on May 01, 2013, 07:47:29 AM
A whole 20 of them saw combat in WWII.
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: tunnelrat on May 01, 2013, 10:31:58 AM
-1

Ton of vehicles are needed to fill the roles of EW and MW first for scenario purposes.

I would be inclined to agree, if vehicles were ever used for scenarios, etc.

+1 to the original request from me, fwiw!

Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: waystin2 on May 01, 2013, 01:20:27 PM
+1
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 01, 2013, 02:22:40 PM
Why not ask for the Super Pershing instead?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/M26_Super_Pershing.jpg)

ack-ack
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Arlo on May 01, 2013, 02:35:23 PM
2 built.  :D

http://www.3ad.com/history/news/super.pershing.1.htm (http://www.3ad.com/history/news/super.pershing.1.htm)

http://www.3ad.com/history/wwll/special.photos.htm/super.pershing.htm (http://www.3ad.com/history/wwll/special.photos.htm/super.pershing.htm)



Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 01, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
2 built.  :D

http://www.3ad.com/history/news/super.pershing.1.htm (http://www.3ad.com/history/news/super.pershing.1.htm)

http://www.3ad.com/history/wwll/special.photos.htm/super.pershing.htm (http://www.3ad.com/history/wwll/special.photos.htm/super.pershing.htm)





But saw combat, with one scoring a kill on a Tiger II in the famous "Duel at Dessau" during WW2.

ack-ack
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Arlo on May 01, 2013, 04:45:37 PM
But saw combat, with one scoring a kill on a Tiger II in the famous "Duel at Dessau" during WW2.

ack-ack

As mentioned in the references posted. However, Dale used to have a thing about how many saw combat not just if one saw combat once.  :D
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 01, 2013, 04:58:21 PM
As mentioned in the references posted. However, Dale used to have a thing about how many saw combat not just if one saw combat once.  :D

The Super Pershing saw more than one engagement during the war.  Belton Cooper, in his book "Death Traps", recounts another engagement the Super Pershing had when it destroyed a German vehicle (Cooper couldn't see what was hit) while on the move.  Anyway, I should have put on the [sarcasm] tags on my posts to avoid any potential accidental catches as I'm way past my limit.

ack-ack
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Tracerfi on May 01, 2013, 05:18:39 PM
I probably won't drive the chi-ha though as it is a death trap in WOT lol
  :bhead WOT is not modeled realistically
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Eric19 on May 01, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
  :bhead WOT is not modeled realistically
you think I don't know this???? lol its not a sim like AH but an arcade game basically
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Butcher on May 01, 2013, 08:03:38 PM
you think I don't know this???? lol its not a sim like AH but an arcade game basically

I played WOT for 15 minutes and prefer Aces High's vehicles instead, one shot in the right area will kill a tank - not something that has hit points and is unrealistic.
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: RedBull1 on May 01, 2013, 08:19:32 PM
Both are very unrealistic in their own respects.
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Arlo on May 01, 2013, 08:27:08 PM
The Super Pershing saw more than one engagement during the war.  Belton Cooper, in his book "Death Traps", recounts another engagement the Super Pershing had when it destroyed a German vehicle (Cooper couldn't see what was hit) while on the move.  Anyway, I should have put on the [sarcasm] tags on my posts to avoid any potential accidental catches as I'm way past my limit.

ack-ack

Ain't your thread, hence ain't your lure.  ;)
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: guncrasher on May 01, 2013, 11:42:06 PM
  :bhead WOT is not modeled realistically

dude, wot developers have mentioned more than 1k times that they are not a simulator but a game.  they adjust game parameters as they see fit according to their own statistics and not based on fact.

actually a good portion of all the tanks were little more than napkin drawings.


semp
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Eric19 on May 02, 2013, 06:49:59 AM

actually a good portion of all the tanks were little more than napkin drawings.


semp
yes very ture here there are some exceptions but not as many as I would like "Cough T28 Prot. cough"
 :banana:
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: R 105 on May 02, 2013, 08:40:33 AM
 We have super tanks in the game now. I would rather see the panzer MKIII the Stug III & IV & the Hetzer 38 along with an English tank before more uber tanks.  The assault guns like the Stug III was the most numerous armor vehicles in the German Army in WWII.
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Zacherof on May 02, 2013, 10:17:45 AM
We have super tanks in the game now. I would rather see the panzer MKIII the Stug III & IV & the Hetzer 38 along with an English tank before more uber tanks.  The assault guns like the Stug III was the most numerous armor vehicles in the German Army in WWII.

give me the 230mm railroad gun instead please.
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: captain1ma on May 02, 2013, 10:20:41 AM
i just use the panther as a sub for the M-26. works pretty good for now.
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: TOMCAT21 on May 02, 2013, 10:59:34 AM
+1
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Rob52240 on May 02, 2013, 11:57:20 AM
What was that WW2 tank destroyer they had on sons of guns last week?  Didn't it have a 90mm gun?
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Eric19 on May 03, 2013, 04:48:35 PM
What was that WW2 tank destroyer they had on sons of guns last week?  Didn't it have a 90mm gun?
M36 Slugger
had a 90mm F3 cannon 4.3 inches or frontal armor at about a 80-70 degree slope very formitable tank back in the day topspeed was close to that of an m4
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 03, 2013, 05:21:07 PM
M36 Slugger
had a 90mm F3 cannon 4.3 inches or frontal armor at about a 80-70 degree slope very formitable tank back in the day topspeed was close to that of an m4

The M36 "Jackson/Slugger" didn't have 4.3 inches of frontal armor. 
Front: 1.5 inches
Side: .75 inches
Turret Front: .75 inches
Turret Side: .75 inches
Mantlet: 3 inches

And the main gun was a 90mm M3 cannon.

ack-ack

Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Butcher on May 03, 2013, 05:58:42 PM


That M3 was on par with the 88mm L/56 wasn't it? I remember a while back reading something along the lines that they needed to make new shells because the ones they had wouldn't fair to well with panthers/tigers - I do know some of the newer shells were issued to all 20 of the super pershings, it had some very nice penetration tables, able to take on a Panther at 1000 yards and penetrate the front upper hull without any issues.
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 03, 2013, 07:49:57 PM
That M3 was on par with the 88mm L/56 wasn't it? I remember a while back reading something along the lines that they needed to make new shells because the ones they had wouldn't fair to well with panthers/tigers - I do know some of the newer shells were issued to all 20 of the super pershings, it had some very nice penetration tables, able to take on a Panther at 1000 yards and penetrate the front upper hull without any issues.

Yes, the M3 was on par with the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56 main gun which were on the stock Pershings.  The Super Pershing sent to the ETO was equipped with the 90 mm/70 caliber T15E1 main gun, which had a higher muzzle velocity (3,850 ft/s compared to 2,700 ft/s for the M3) and there was a second Super Pershing that was equipped with the 90mm/70 caliber T15E2 main gun that used a two piece round.

Was reading that in the Korean War that the M26 completely outclassed the T-34/85 with its 90mm HVAP that could penetrate the front glacis armor and go completely through the T-34/85 and exit out the rear, while the Easy-8 Sherman was an equal match to the T-34/85.  Only reason the M26 was withdrawn from Korea because of automotive problems encountered in the mountainous terrain became a liability problem.

ack-ack
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Eric19 on May 03, 2013, 09:14:54 PM
spefications from wiki here Ack-ack

9–108 millimetres (0.35–4.3 in)<<<note the 4.3inches of armorthats probably the front end housing but still 4.3in none the less

Speed
 
42 km/h (26 mph) (road)

Weight
 
29 tonnes (32.0 short tons; 28.5 long tons)

Engine
 
Ford GAA V-8 gasoline
 450 hp (336 kW)
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Mitsu on May 03, 2013, 09:58:28 PM
We need the Type 97 Chi-Ha - this way we can have ground vehicles during FSO and scenarios on the Pacific front. Why let the ETO have all the fun? :D

Your Sherman can shoot down my Chi-Ha at 3.0K yards!  :t
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Butcher on May 03, 2013, 11:48:21 PM
Your Sherman can shoot down my Chi-Ha at 3.0K yards!  :t

I rarely ever drive a sherman  :furious
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: SmokinLoon on May 04, 2013, 09:13:42 AM
Seriously???  Me thinks people give WAY too much credit to the Pershing.  It was more on par with the Panther than the Tiger, and it was certainly not on par with the King Tiger.

Oh, and the Pershing is #48 on the list of gv's to be added.
 

No.
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Butcher on May 04, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
Seriously???  Me thinks people give WAY too much credit to the Pershing.  It was more on par with the Panther than the Tiger, and it was certainly not on par with the King Tiger.

Oh, and the Pershing is #48 on the list of gv's to be added.
 

No.

One of the issues is also the fact German tanks suffered from very POOR armor at the end of the war, sabotage was often done to tanks with poor welding during the production. Another thing is - consider when the M-26 came out - the Germans have pertty much lost the war, all the good tank crews were gone.
Only a handful of good tankers were left, to compare the M-26 with anything is frankly hogwash.

I would much rather see the Su-100 or Su-85 along with other RUSSIAN tanks that seen far more action in the war then something that managed to destroy a tank or two at most.
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: Rino on May 04, 2013, 10:42:32 AM
Seriously???  Me thinks people give WAY too much credit to the Pershing.  It was more on par with the Panther than the Tiger, and it was certainly not on par with the King Tiger.

Oh, and the Pershing is #48 on the list of gv's to be added.
 

No.

     Oh well, the great authority on AH GV warfare has spoken.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: M-26 pershing
Post by: SmokinLoon on May 04, 2013, 11:11:02 AM
     Oh well, the great authority on AH GV warfare has spoken.   :rolleyes:

Not claiming to be THEE authority, just pointing out some things some of the gamers may want to think about before wasting one of their three wishes.  In terms of AH, the Pershing and the Panther would be on equal footing because poor quality and untrained/inexperienced crews are not modeled.  So yeah, comparing the two makes perfect sense in terms of AH.

Like the above post mentioned, the Su-100 or Su-85 would be a more legit gv to add in terms of armor, they actually made a few dents in German inventory and themselves were dealt their backside a few times by the Germans.  It would be far more prudent to add in those than the M26.  Heck, even the KV-1 makes more sense that the M26.

So give the side of your head a quick jolt with the palm of your hand and stop rolling your eyes, it adds nothing to the thread.