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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Zacherof on May 01, 2013, 12:44:45 AM
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How would it fare in AH and how did it do in AW?
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Dunno and fine. :D
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I want uber bomber then. It's know a bigger 38! :banana:
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How would it fare in AH and how did it do in AW?
In AW it enjoyed a rather over modeled flight model that allowed it to out turn and stall fight Zekes and Spitfires like any other bomber in AW.
ack-ack
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Based on its wing loading I would guess it will turn something like an Me410 in AH.
Its advantages will be speed, bombload and firepower.
Many years ago I spoke with Pyro and he brought it up as an example of a perk bomber. I imagine it would be the cheapest perk bomber, probably at about 10 like the F4U-1C.
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In AW it enjoyed a rather over modeled flight model that allowed it to out turn and stall fight Zekes and Spitfires like any other bomber in AW.
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that's just funny.
And I'd pay 10perks for it. Didn't it have simile turrets to the 29?
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that's just funny.
And I'd pay 10perks for it. Didn't it have simile turrets to the 29?
Similar in that they were the low-profile remote controlled turrets, but it only had a dorsal and ventral turret. (2 .50's each)
It was very fast, however, and if the external racks were allowed would carry more ords than a B-17... 4k internal, 2k external.
Of course, another option - if the gun pods made it in - would be up to 16 .50s with 8 in the nose and 8 in underwing pods.
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I could live with it being slightly perked.
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Need this plane :furious :joystick:
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Similar in that they were the low-profile remote controlled turrets, but it only had a dorsal and ventral turret. (2 .50's each)
It was very fast, however, and if the external racks were allowed would carry more ords than a B-17... 4k internal, 2k external.
Of course, another option - if the gun pods made it in - would be up to 16 .50s with 8 in the nose and 8 in underwing pods.
The B-26C model, which was called the A-26 "invader" series of aircraft was one of those aircraft which did not receive the praise that it should have during WW2. It just happened to have poor forward vis when in the ground attack mode. The B-26Z, which was never produced, was supposed to fix all the pilot complaints, i.e., a "Malcom" type canopy to improve the forward visibility, but as I said, was never produced. You are correct about the number of guns and bombs carried, but could, with out the wing pods mounted, could also carry 10, 4.5 inch "hummers" for ground attack as well. Great aircraft and very easy to fly!
1,091 A-26Cs were built and delivered, five at Long Beach, California (A-26C-1-DL and A-26C-2-DL) plus 1,086 at Tulsa, Oklahoma (A-26C-16-DT to A-26B-55-DT). About 53 more airframes were built at Tulsa but not delivered to USAAF, some of those later sold to other civil and military customers. A-26C was re designated B-26C with USAF in 1948. This tough old bird had a top speed around 350 IAS, before it started "groaning", and was still in service up until late 70's with some Air National guard units. Some were still flying as late as late 90's as fire bombers, based at Chino, Calf. There were some TB-26C's produced, but total is unknown, many of whom wound up in South Vietnam. One of the little know facts about the TB model in South Vietnam, nobody but a handfull of USAF pilots knew anything much about them, so the good ole CIA pilots of Air America was training the Nam pilots. Many of the Air America pilots who were flying C-123's had experience in the 26C, so I was told. Would certainly be a nice addition to the AH hangar of aircraft.
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Earl,
The Martin B-26 and the Douglad A-26 are 100% unrelated aircraft. It is confusing because the A-26 was renamed B-26 after the MartinB-26 was retired. In short, the A-26 was not a new version of the B-26 from WWII.
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I always saw the 26 as a bug brother of the 20.
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Earl,
The Martin B-26 and the Douglad A-26 are 100% unrelated aircraft. It is confusing because the A-26 was renamed B-26 after the MartinB-26 was retired. In short, the A-26 was not a new version of the B-26 from WWII.
Did not mean to infere that it was one and same! The ole Martin series was never really a good aircraft, although a lot of them saw a lot of action. The Douglas B-26, which came into serice, if memory serves me correctly, late 43 or early 44. Didn't mean to confuse anyone. Never been in a Martin A-26, but went throught flight school on the Douglas B-26 at Kessler AFB, in eary 50's. Can't remember a lot of details about TIA and ground school, but was there about 3 months. Can't hardly remember what I did yesterday! LOL
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The Martin B-26 had the lowest loss rate of any American bomber in the European theater. It wasn't going to Berlin, but still, not a bad bomber.
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Before the A26, why not the Beaufighter?
The A26 would turn the MA into P51D and A26 monotonous base grab hoards. It's speed would be the attraction then the firepower.
Now with our updated town model and xBox weenie hero's. I wish Hitech would allow some percentage of airfields on maps to be closer than 1 sector. The distances unlike in the earlier era of AH, are promoting a diffusion of available combatants at altitude hiding from combat looking only to pick or not take part in the local fight. You fly a sector and change to then loiter around in diffuse "onesy twosys" talking to other players on range about when they bet anyone will simply fight.
The current distances are allowing fight avoidance in favor of FSO inspired very high altitude strategies or obvious pandering to lack of ACM Combat skills in the AH physics environment. Allowing fields to be placed at .75 of a sector would bring players back into immediate contact and cause them to adapt. More than a decade of game experience favors the adaptation will be attempting to learn some ACM by the majority.
The current distances are not a friend to the future natural evolution of players forced to find sources of knowledge to ingame ACM strategies. Currently we are turning into arcade xBox hero's and not much different than the competitors.
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Earl, for what it's worth, I understood your above comments about flying the B-26C Douglas Invader and am surprised that others have such a tough time of comprehension. I also suspect that your comments about the Martin Marauder were based on what pilots experienced, not the accumulated combat record.
After entering service with the U.S. Army, the aircraft received the reputation of a "Widowmaker" due to the early models' high rate of accidents during takeoff and landings. The Marauder had to be flown at exact airspeeds, particularly on final approach and when one engine was out. The 150 mph (241 km/h) speed on short final was intimidating to pilots who were used to much slower speeds, and whenever they slowed down below what the manual stated the aircraft would stall and crash. Ethell
I for one would be glad to read any anecdotes about the Douglas B-26 that you'd care to share.
Best.
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I'll take the a26 after as the Beau has a bigger shoe in history for WW2.
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No. This is the obvious next "gamey" choice for the arcade gamers. ;)
The A26 is #42 on the "to add" list. It is far behind the DB-3, Pe-2, IL-4, Beaufighter, D520, MiG-3, Wellington, and a number of gv's. Oh, and it is even lower on the list than HTC adding a winter and desert map. :aok
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No. This is the obvious next "gamey" choice for the arcade gamers. ;)
The A26 is #42 on the "to add" list. It is far behind the DB-3, Pe-2, IL-4, Beaufighter, D520, MiG-3, Wellington, and a number of gv's. Oh, and it is even lower on the list than HTC adding a winter and desert map. :aok
bah, yak is poo, but I'll duke it out with my 190. But those maps, really like the idea of a winter map.
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Earl, for what it's worth, I understood your above comments about flying the B-26C Douglas Invader and am surprised that others have such a tough time of comprehension. I also suspect that your comments about the Martin Marauder were based on what pilots experienced, not the accumulated combat record.
I for one would be glad to read any anecdotes about the Douglas B-26 that you'd care to share.
Best.
:airplane: Of course, in talking to some of the "ole" guys, when I was in, as you pointed out in your post, the landing speeds and VMC, with one engine out was very high. But, when Harry Truman, then a Senator I think, threaten to pull the Martin contract, they redesigned the wing and came up with a pretty good overall wing performance for the ole bird. If I remember correctly, the VMC, with one engine inop on the Douglas B-26C, with the dash 67 engine was 124 at sea level and of course, higher for non-standard temp and altitude. Good handling thoughout the slow speed realms with one engine inop, (we used 12" MP to simulate engine out), and you still had a little rudder left at minimum speed. In climbing 60 degree banked turns with military power, departure stall recovering procedures, turns to right were no problem because of torque and "P" factor of the high side engine, (left), but you had to be very careful in turns to the left. I never snap rolled one, but I talked to guys who did, (not on purpose), and they said about 1 and 1/2 turns before full recovery. Minimum altitude AGL for stall training and procedures was 8,000 feet. It had a large rudder and was very effective, just like the 29 and the trick was, as soon as elevator started shaking, start recovery procedures, which consisted of lowering nose and leveling wing and flying out of the approach to the stall. Power off, or approach to landing stalls were a snap as it was very stable and just a little back pressure release on the elevator and the ole bird would start flying again. It had no tendicey to break one way or the other during normal approach to landing stalls.
Of course you all ways had that instructor, who after you have set up a good approach and almost at point of touch down, would announce "go around", then things sometimes would get exciting real quick! Full Power, gear up flaps to 30%, level flight to gain flying speed to VMC speed, then they would reduce one engine or other to 12" MP and you would have to do a go a round for a single engine approach. As long as you stayed focused, really was no problem, but if you came back with dry hands, you were really a "cool" cat.