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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Flifast on May 05, 2013, 11:56:46 AM
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http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48962
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Awesome information and photos! :aok
thanks for sharing :rock
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great share +1 :aok
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Great stuff, thanks.
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Nice pics, there are so many planes in Lake Michigan as a result of the training.
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Search previous threads on this topic here in the O. Some good information and links.
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Who turned the CV?
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o679/Mark_Allen_M3/FM-2WildcatAfterCrashOnBoardUSSSable_zps46ad9eb0.jpg)
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A sidewheel carrier? I never knew such a ship existed before. Great link!
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Great find. :aok
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A sidewheel carrier? I never knew such a ship existed before. Great link!
It was a converted sidewheeler,if you look closely at the first couple of pix you can see where she had her paddle wheels. They were quite common on the lakes back in the early 1900's. She was converted from a sidewheeler before they converted it to a flattop!
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She was converted from a sidewheeler before they converted it to a flattop!
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That's what I thought, but after looking at some underway pics, I'm not sure. I looked around and couldn't find any documentation where they converted it to screw during the refit. :headscratch:
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o679/Mark_Allen_M3/OverheadviewofthetrainingaircraftcarrierSableIX81underwayonLakeMichiganwithanFMWildcatmakingadecklaunchfromtheflattop1945_zps26b5ac08.jpg)
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o679/Mark_Allen_M3/AviewoftheUSSWolverineIX-64whileunderwayinLakeMichigan1942_zps29ab5a56.jpg)
That sure looks like wake coming off the wheel.
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U.S.S. Mark Twain :D
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Model and video of the fresh water carriers, http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/676-uss-wolverine-ix-64-paddlewheel-freshwater-aircraft-carrier/
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I was wondering if the carriers would meet the WOD requirements but it seems it didn't.
ack-ack
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Excellent pictures.
What is amazing to is the turn around. They took over the second ship in May of 1942 and commissioned it in Nov of 1942? Holy cow! Today, that would take three years a Billion dollars up front with a few hundre million in cost overruns.
<S> to our forefathers who could do so much with what they had.
Boo
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That's what I thought, but after looking at some underway pics, I'm not sure. I looked around and couldn't find any documentation where they converted it to screw during the refit. :headscratch:
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o679/Mark_Allen_M3/OverheadviewofthetrainingaircraftcarrierSableIX81underwayonLakeMichiganwithanFMWildcatmakingadecklaunchfromtheflattop1945_zps26b5ac08.jpg)
(http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o679/Mark_Allen_M3/AviewoftheUSSWolverineIX-64whileunderwayinLakeMichigan1942_zps29ab5a56.jpg)
That sure looks like wake coming off the wheel.
RPM,
If you look at the 4th or 5th pic you can see the wake from the screws. It was likely converted from paddle wheeler long before it got converted to a flattop. If my Dad was still around I would ask him,he sailed the lakes for years and if anyone would know it would be him! He was chief engineer for the last 20 years he sailed and I'm ashamed I don't know more about them than I do.
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The Wolverine is a side wheeler morf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pkjcsLE-yF8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pkjcsLE-yF8)
So was the Sable.
(http://wnyheritagepress.org/photos_week_2005/greater_buffalo/Box687-2_web.jpg)
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What is amazing to is the turn around. They took over the second ship in May of 1942 and commissioned it in Nov of 1942? Holy cow! Today, that would take three years a Billion dollars up front with a few hundre million in cost overruns.
Today, WWII would be over before they got authorization to form the project exploratory committee.
- oldman
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The Wolverine is a side wheeler morf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pkjcsLE-yF8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pkjcsLE-yF8)
So was the Sable.
(http://wnyheritagepress.org/photos_week_2005/greater_buffalo/Box687-2_web.jpg)
WOW!! I would have thought they were all but gone by then but I'm not the expert!
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WOW!! I would have thought they were all but gone by then but I'm not the expert!
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There is a detailed model of the Wolverine at the Kalamazoo AirZoo. It used to be this, prior to the conversion:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/SeeandBee.jpg)
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The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down of the big lake they call Gitcheegoomee..... :rock :D
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We had a similar discussion a few years ago.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,219971.msg2645886.html#msg2645886 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,219971.msg2645886.html#msg2645886)
There is a model of the USS Wolverine at the Great Lakes Naval Base museum. And a Wildcat they pulled up in the 90's is sitting at the Valiant Air Command warbird museum in Titusville, FL. http://www.vacwarbirds.org/ (http://www.vacwarbirds.org/)
(http://www.khs.at/valiant/Grumman%20Wildcat.jpg)
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Must have sucked shoveling coal for those ships.
ack-ack