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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wildsau on May 06, 2013, 06:54:57 AM
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Hi zack hope it works, here is my biggest projekt at moment, its rendered with some wood colours in Rhynocerus..
Movie of espaniol Montanes Navio, 2 deck ship...M1:25.. :banana:
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its first test so pls forgive me if it doesnt work, if it works pics will followe..and other movies..
ship has 860 MB in Rhyno, about 6000 3D PArts, Length-Body: 2,14m, Length end of Rigg 2,7m, Beam about 50 cm, Draft 24 cm around
should become RC--Parts....
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Hurrah :banana:
Awesomesauce :salute
Is there any decent pc sims for this type if battleship? :old:
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I'd bet there are RC builders in this game. I build and built RC Aircraft for about twenty years now. Everything from indoor foamies up too 25 - 30% scale.
Edit.
I was trying too say when it comes time too build let me know if you run into snags and need some help sir. :cheers:
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Hello Wildsau!
I applaud your efforts! Some serious discipline and patience must have went into that work! How many hours did it take you to get it to that point? Please keep us updated on your project as you move along.
A question.
I am not very familiar with ships of that era. I noticed in your rendering what looked like a brick stove or furnace?
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Food again Pipz! :)
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Tea is on. ;)
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wow, that is some work :aok
3D printed plastics must be alot less dense than oak or whatever wood was used, how does that figure into the handling of RC ships? Also what will you use for masts, rigging, canvas etc?
PS welcome to the forums at last :)
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I'd bet there are RC builders in this game.
Chris3 is doing a lot of RC tank building... :old:
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Zack, yes there are some games, i played Bounty Bay Online, once, but there are also others like Port Royale, old Pc Game, but mabye it still became online with others...
Last year i bought this Software rhino, as i found german company which produces CnC-machines, able to buy, for us privat persons...,
and all on this software, all parts on ships are constructed in 2D, and 2,5D, 2,5D means that a cnc machine, doesnt drives only line around objects, it also can make 3D Reliefs,
by driving each way, defined in 0.xxx mms, so complicated forms up to 100mm hight can be made...
and this cnc machines are able to mount on it the 4rd axe, for cuttin out rotating-objects,
I want to make most parts, except the mechanical parts, out of wood, i dont want to use, i say chemical parts like plastic, metall,
only for the mechanic i want to use plastic or metal, for servo stearing, when not many functions, and for many functions stearin with 12V-Dc-motors and gear mounted,
to roll up all that riggin parts, for each sail, big ship like the Montanes should be able to set and unset each of its sails,
with Bramsail and skyroyalsail combinated, it should be around 16 Sails..
but i fear for good movement of Brazes, Schoten, Geitaue, rolls and blocks out of wood(like in original) will not work,
i fear i must use there plastic rolls around metall axe, maybe in wood block, and i fear all movin part-wires have also to be out of plastic-wires, but thats normal for movin
parts what i saw last RC-Meetings(thousend of people)
found futaba(80 euros)-, and cheap selfmade(12 euros)- decoder for controlin 16 relais, with only 1 prop-channel, :O
16 sails(1prop)+ up/down(1-0-2),
square sails turn left rght(2 prop),
latein-Genua-sails(1 prop),
Ruder-stearing(1 prop),
some (1-0-2) functions for 2 anchor-winches/left-right canons/firing :devil/single-salvo/reloadin/lights/1-2flaggs...
and for the outside Body..., years ago i build one, in real, there i used thin Furnier(german word), 3 layer of funier, 1 went like this /...second like this \,
and last one was made out of Mahagoni-Furnier like that --, but i didnt bought it(brazil-Forrest), have been rests from such Wood-Items-Maker..
when you use M1:25 like that, Mahagoni is the best Wood, because the fine parts, the looking, is equal when you multiple it up with 25, as it looked in real ages ago.. :old:
and this body made out of 3 layers furnier, was so stable that you could let fall 0,5kg from 40 cm on it, and it got jumped away from ship body without any damage..
and when i set it into water, it was almost dense, without colourpaintin on outside..
i want to use for this ships, 1 Layer None Mahagoni Furnier, for some dense and then on this thin layer, the original thick planks, faked with those Cu-nails..
panted from in and outside, dont know word for Lacke(lackieren+schleifen)
but biggest Problem will be the canonos, how to make em for single firing, is no problem, but im thinkin of to make under deck canons, the heavy ones, reload-able,
for more salvos... :bhead........
another movie will be soon uploaded, will be the first ship which will be made, its a small fregatte Beam of only 34 cm, not 50 like Montanes, and this still has mechanical parts,
contructed inside ships body, with 3 big segments, which can be moved out for car transport to any lake... :x
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CNC'd mahogany, this just gets better :aok
from what you say I guess "Furnier" in english is "ply" or "plywood" - thin layers of wood with the grain at 90 degrees?
Lacke = laquer (like varnish?)
edit: ahhh Furnier must be "veneer" - really, really thin sheet wood?
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yep veneer is the right word i think its about 0,5mm thick like that, 1000 thx for info^^
and thy again on laquer-info, realy thx, i hope i dont forget it..
im still waitin on upload of samll fregatte movie..,
i have 3 ships 90% finished, and 1 british ship which was first contructed under old "illegal" autocad r14 version, tzhen i converted it into new Rhino,
and now there are some failures, ill have to fix, and uncool thing is..., first ship i choosed is the
HMS Royal Caroline, ship of Queen Elizabeth, full of ornaments, and when i started i thought,
pahh all this ornaments no problem...
haha was fail they are same work as rest of ship, so last ship Royal is only finished by 60-70% around^^
but next project
HMS Enterprise, original france fregatte captured by british,
HMS Prince, realy fat 104 Canon-ship, are otw... :rolleyes:
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Can't wait to see the photos Wildsau. Should be awesome. :aok :aok
Will you be using an external keel or will all the ballast be internal?
history of the Montanes Navio
http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=2708
It was one of the few ships to escape from the Battle of Trafalgar.
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Very cool Wildsau!
I've been dreaming of a build like that for a few years now... I just don't have the time right now.
LOTS of good info on these types of ships in this forum, including working guns, etc.- http://www.rcgroups.com/scale-sailboats-653/
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that is very cool :aok Did you see the video(I think it was posted here) about the ship that was built with cardboard? at least I think it was cardboard, was a battleship or something
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i have red face when i read your comments, wow, no joke, i never thought, anyone says it looks cool or smthg like that :O
here is the link, of the espaniol fregatte
http://www.myvideo.at/watch/9101723 (http://www.myvideo.at/watch/9101723)
this ship, has best details of rigging, where all brazes, schots are mirrored on the other side too,
this ship is also very close to be put out by cnc, because of its dimension of biggest beam of only 34 cm,
friend has cnc machine, but only small one, only for this small size,
its also M1:25, body length about 1,3m full length end of "Bugspriet" 1,7m
calculated in Rhino by subtracting the water cube with full shipbody when reached the waterline,displacement of water should be 25 litres,
ship also has innerparts, and inner construction of 3 big segments which can be moved out, with its rigg-parts,
for car transportation,
Pictures and movie from franz Fregatte La Chapman, and british HMS Royal Caroline will followe.. :x
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And here is the third ship, La Chapman, with 40 canons from france
M1:25, also not complete..
ornaments, some wrong, and most missing, and typical small parts are missing, equipment for canons, and most Metall-items(anchor, etc..)
http://www.myvideo.at/watch/9103338 (http://www.myvideo.at/watch/9103338)
MTNMAN, 1000 thxs for link info, i watched it, very good infos there..thx again!
MILOMORAI, wow, cool Infos about the Montanes, i got big eyes as i saw it, its also good to know that ship became and upgrade by ammounts of canons, didnt knew that..
also thx to you, so i would have soon 2 ships 1 early Montanes, and 1 later Montanes after upgrade^^..
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Widsau, if you don't have this book, I recommend you get it.
The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships
C Nepean Longridge
ISBN 0-87021-077-7
Lots of detail drawings to help with your modelling.
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So look at a local hobbie store and use the balsa square and balsa panels for the ship. Then you will mix up a sort of 2part epoxy for the outside waterproofing using a credit card like tool in order to keep the weight down and make sanding and finishing easy.
Overall you will pretty much build the whole ship out of this very cheep and easy to finish and cut, manulpulate, ect... More to fit everything and to keep it simple. Get the materials from some place close by. Read a few Ship Modeler Books about the steps and process of making a water ready RC boat.
Instead of balsa there was a real hard wood which was very light and strong. It was a beech wood of sort I'll find out and post a link.
I wanna see pics this sounds cool from a building stand point.
:salute
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Amazing work Wildsau.
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here comes the link for my first started ship HMY Royal Caroline, made with Autocad R14, from this ship i learned, constructin in autocad, and tested it first(has some failures)
i worked on that ship around 6-7 months on it, because software was very old, and not able to generate 3d forms by itself..
HMY Royal Caroline
http://www.myvideo.at/watch/9105738 (http://www.myvideo.at/watch/9105738)
and here is the work of the new started ship
HMS Enterprise:
http://www.myvideo.at/watch/9107389 (http://www.myvideo.at/watch/9107389)
im workin on it since 5-6 days around(8-14hrs/day), but i have much more better plans then i had at Royal Caroline..
and software rhino is 1000 times better, i also have learned what is important for the first steps to get the form of shiphull..
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Wildsau, the vids are great but we need some photos.
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little upgrade of the spanish fregate..
http://www.myvideo.at/watch/9135175 (http://www.myvideo.at/watch/9135175)
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Awesome ships, Sau. Very nice!
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:)
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you mean like this? its naval combat to a scale, yes they are armed with bb guns and yes they do sink :devil