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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BaDkaRmA158Th on May 07, 2013, 01:39:03 PM
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My family has a 3 mo old female black lap puppy.
Cant get her to goto the bathroom outside, she has a doggie door but refuses to use it for anything else then to run when about to smack her arse for peeing inside.
Any idea or recommendations? At this point, im thinking of making her a pound puppy.
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I potty trained my dog by simply waiting 1/2 hour after he ate or drank then took him outside .. I kept saying do your business until he peed or pooped. He then got used to hearing it , then he actually went out on his own .. You can also train your dog to use the door by placing a treat just outside the door, and having him/her get it .. Patience is the key! It took about three months before I got Sammie trained and he still had a few accidents well into a year..
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Let me just say she'll make a good family member when's she's older. Just keep drullingnit into her head 'outside is the bathroom'. We got a 3 year old sharpie/lab who was
a
pita and only liked owing inside. After a
few arse whooping and a slight rising off the voice. You'll have it easier as my
dog is
dumber and older. Be patient and
firm.
Btw
you guys want
her
purely
inside, outside or a
combination of both??
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Good info guys, thank you.
We would like her to be a inside/outside dog, we have 5 year old pure white lab who is trained very well and is "helping" her understand the doggie world around her.
In the past we had two white labs that were pure 24/7 outside dogs, no fence no yard just the wild woods growing up with two twin boys "myself & my brother" so we never had to deal with the house training part.
Thanks again, any and all information on this subject is appreciated, as she IS a total doll and sweet as a pea, i just wish she wouldn't pee inside so much. I am starting to wounder if she was trained on one of those pee pad things rich people use.
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The older dog, that will helps things alooooooooot.
Wish you luck.
Btw do your labs like wAter? Mine really dislike it :bhead
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Oddly enough they are total water dog's even emma our pup, but..they do not like water coming down on them for any reason "showers/rain", you should see the looks on there faces....they look so miserable its so pathetic looking. Till you throw a ball then every concern in the world is gone.
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If you are unable to be with her all the time (most of the time)
you could try putting some newspaper down by the door... leave it for a couple of days encouraging her when she goes on it (so long as you are not prone to leaving newspapers lying around) then move it to outside the dog door for a few more( presuming it is see through) ...
but as shippr said ... I did this with my dog ... you soon learn when they like to go...pre empt it by taking her out...run her around a little and usually after 5-10 mins dogs will go toilet..
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Oddly enough they are total water dog's even emma our pup, but..they do not like water coming down on them for any reason "showers/rain", you should see the looks on there faces....they look so miserable its so pathetic looking. Till you throw a ball then every concern in the world is gone.
I took mine into a pull and they freaked out. Got one to jump back In by pretending todrown :devil
Want to trade? :D
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how do you get wet in a pull?
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Oddly enough they are total water dog's even emma our pup, but..they do not like water coming down on them for any reason "showers/rain", you should see the looks on there faces....they look so miserable its so pathetic looking. Till you throw a ball then every concern in the world is gone.
This. My family has had a black lab for about 8 years now, and she is terrified of hoses and the like, but we have a pool and after every walk, even when it's the stingy side of 50 degrees out she'll jump right in (pool unheated).
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Yup they are strange critters. We could thriow rocks all the way down the canyon waaay out of eye sight and our labs would bring the exact same rock back even when it landed under water then we would climb a tree opr two and watch as they "hunter us down" when they arrive back up the hill, still have a hard time wrapping my mind around that.
amazing childhood we had with them.
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how do you get wet in a pull?
*pool
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For a couple of summers I helped a very prominent dog trainer (who is now the host of a duck/goose hunting show) train labs for retrieving purposes (field trials, hunt tests, and just hunting purposes). This guy took a dog and won gold in the Super Retriever Series on ESPN in 2005, so he knew what he was doing. Labs are very responsive and habit forming, so seeing the older dog do its business correctly (and being rewarded) will help. IDK if you've ever noticed or not, but we have found that a male dog will still squat to pee all of his life until he sees another male dog lift his leg. I've bot a 7 year old lab that still squats because all we have are females.
I've never house trained a lab like this, but something that we've used on our house dog (miniature schnauzer) is a squirt water bottle. Typically if you don't like using a good swat of the the hand or a newspaper, this works pretty good. You just have to make sure the dog knows what it is getting punished for. In the past I have had better luck trying to catch the dog in the act and punishing it right after (basically the same thing we do with retrieving). If you try to punish the dog a few hours after it has used the bathroom in the house (like you're coming home from work), the best thing we've done is let the dog know why we're punishing by "putting their nose in it."
That's all I've got for now. If you have any questions, message me.
#S#
Josh
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Training is all about consistency out of you so the puppy understands what time it is when you do a specific act or event I currently have 3 1 yearold dogs i got when their mother was killed by a car.
edit:
i used a soda can and a hand full of pennies in side of it for discipline with them i do not want them to associate me or my hand with them being bad... they do something they shouldn't i shake the can loud and scare them then i walk over and ask them if they are OK and were they doing something they shouldn't be doing because if they are the big bad noise will come get them.
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The first time you catch her in the act of peeing in the house grab her by the scruff of the neck and rub her nose into the pee, then take her outside and leave her out for at least half an hour. Repeat the process untill she stops, it should not take long. If you don't catch her in the act of peeing there is no point in any punishment. Dogs in general are not smart enough to accosiate past crimes with current punishment. The crime and punishment must be simultaneous,
Tough love, but has to be done
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I beat me
dogs all the time.......
In hide and seek :D
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"Crate training" is probably the easiest, quickest method to house train a dog.
When you have him/her out of the crate, take them straight outside to go. Then take them out a minute or two after they either eat or drink, or wake up from a nap. Those are all very predictable times when they'll have an urge to "go".
Between using the crate and capitalizing on the animal's predictability it's a fairly simple matter to develop the habit of going outside.
It's easier to establish those habits right away, than to try to "un-train" bad behaviors after you've allowed them to become established.
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The first time you catch her in the act of peeing in the house grab her by the scruff of the neck and rub her nose into the pee, then take her outside and leave her out for at least half an hour. Repeat the process untill she stops, it should not take long. If you don't catch her in the act of peeing there is no point in any punishment. Dogs in general are not smart enough to accosiate past crimes with current punishment. The crime and punishment must be simultaneous,
Tough love, but has to be done
Actually this is exactly what not to do!!! never punish the dog for an accident,the pup is only 3 months and still doesn't have much control over it's bowel or bladder. After each meal take the pup out,she's too young to use a dogdoor although you should encourage it's use,just don't rely on it.
If the dog has an accident,clean the area and take some of the paper,cloth,whatever you use,outside and let the dog smell it,you can even train them to use a certain spot if you choose. Remember the dog is still a baby and will behave as such,you need to be on top of things,after it wakes up take it outside,after some play time take it outside. If and when the dog goes outside,praise it to no end tell it it's a good dog. This will work in no time at all,before long the dog will get the idea and will go to the door after it wakes up,is done playing or after it eats. Getting it to use the dog door may take alittle longer but as long as you don't force the dog,it's easier to tempt the dog with treats anyways.
Simply get it's favourite treat and hold it infront of the dog to encourage it,then step outside and open the door with the treat in hand,then encourage the dog to get the treat but make it go through the door,before long the pup will be used to the door and will likely come and go as it pleases,if that's what you want.
And lastly,get a cage and cage train the dog during the housetraining part,you can use the cage or not after but the idea is to confine the dog to it's bed,most dogs wont mess in their beds.As soon as you let the dog out of the cage,take it outside!
If you do this and use the soiled paper,this gives the scent the dog needs to go! You should have the dog trained in a week to 10 days if you follow this course.
I have over 30 years raising,training and breeding dogs under my belt and have never punished a dog for an accident as mostly it was my fault for not letting to dog out often enough,and they are babies,you would rub a childs nose in his mess would you,then why would you want to do that to a dog,it's totally unneeded!
:salute
PS: Batty I don't often disagree with you but this time I have to!
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Well, it's always worked for our dogs Morf, but each to their own, of course!
Punishment is not exactly what I would call rubbing their nose in it. It's more aversion therapy. We lived near a fast, busy road for many years and every new pup we got we would hold them by the side of the road at rush hour just one time. Such an experience at a young age remains for life. We never had a dog get hit by a car so far. It's the same principle. It is not cruel by any means compared to how dogs teach other dogs how to behave. We love our dogs as members of the family.
However, if you can achieve the same results in a more gentle manner, my hat is off to you mate :)
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sending the dog outside right after she has an accident works even better than rubbing its nose in it.. Safer for the dog as well !
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Well, it's always worked for our dogs Morf, but each to their own, of course!
Punishment is not exactly what I would call rubbing their nose in it. It's more aversion therapy. We lived near a fast, busy road for many years and every new pup we got we would hold them by the side of the road at rush hour just one time. Such an experience at a young age remains for life. We never had a dog get hit by a car so far. It's the same principle. It is not cruel by any means compared to how dogs teach other dogs how to behave. We love our dogs as members of the family.
However, if you can achieve the same results in a more gentle manner, my hat is off to you mate :)
As you say to each their own! :aok BTW I agree with the aversion technique especially where the animals life is concerned! However rubbing the nose in it isn't really aversion,ever notice a dog eat it's own feces? Not exactly pleasant to us but to a dog....
Until a dog is about 6 months it doesn't have complete control over it's bowel or bladder,just like a baby and they tend to need to relieve themselves right after eating,sleeping,playing and or exercise. If you constantly take the dog out after these activities,it shouldn't take more than a week or 2 to train. Yes there may be the odd mistake but I've always believed you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
I will admit there is a time and a place for tougher measures,like teaching a guard dog not to except food for anyone but the handler,or not approaching a boundary fence so it cant be shot or stabbed. Those are rare cases though,police and military dogs definitely need this if only to save their lives.
Also Batty it's an age old thing so I don't condemn you for using it,it works,I just think there are other ways to do it.
:salute
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Crate training FTW.
two weeks or less, they're potty trained.
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Crate training FTW.
two weeks or less, they're potty trained.
Agree 100%. And a byproduct of this method is the dog won't think the crate is punishment or confinement later.
BTW - Hiya Rip; long time no see. Hope all is well with you.
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Our dog came to us at 18 months old, fully house and invisible fence trained.
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa409/Christopher_Morris/Pup1_edited-1.jpg)
After having puppies in the past I highly recommend it.
Here's a shot of one of my sister's dogs. She has two of these:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa409/Christopher_Morris/savvy.jpg)
They have just finished buying all new furniture for their house as the two of them destroyed virtually everything when they were pups.
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Agree 100%. And a byproduct of this method is the dog won't think the crate is punishment or confinement later.
BTW - Hiya Rip; long time no see. Hope all is well with you.
Hiya Ammo! All is well, ditto back to you too brother!
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Our dog came to us at 18 months old, fully house and invisible fence trained.
After having puppies in the past I highly recommend it.
Didn't your dog come to you infested with fleas and matted hairballs to the point you had to shear her?
I wouldn't highly recommend that to anyone. :D
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Our dog came to us at 18 months old, fully house and invisible fence trained.
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa409/Christopher_Morris/Pup1_edited-1.jpg)
After having puppies in the past I highly recommend it.
Here's a shot of one of my sister's dogs. She has two of these:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa409/Christopher_Morris/savvy.jpg)
They have just finished buying all new furniture for their house as the two of them destroyed virtually everything when they were pups.
You know I wish more people would learn this! Getting an adult trained dog is often the best way to go,as you said pups can be a lot of trouble and tend to end up at the pound needlessly.
But the puppies were so cute,ya they are and for a reason but a trained adult dog usually wont be any trouble. If you're a new dog owner or have limited experience with dogs,do yourself a favour and look for an adult dog,check for rescues,the pound and even many breeds will sell or often give away an adult dog that doesn't fit with the breeding program or is retired from showing and or breeding. Usually the breeders just want to be sure the dog is going to a good home.
If more people followed Curval's example there would be fewer dogs going to the pound.
:salute
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Didn't your dog come to you infested with fleas and matted hairballs to the point you had to shear her?
I wouldn't highly recommend that to anyone. :D
True. It wasn't a 100% easy transition, but she was house trained and hasn't chewed anything. She loves our shoes, but she doesn't chew them, she takes them under the dining room table and adds them to her shoe stash. Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UycdZQCt8QQ
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Here's a shot of one of my sister's dogs. She has two of these:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa409/Christopher_Morris/savvy.jpg)
They have just finished buying all new furniture for their house as the two of them destroyed virtually everything when they were pups.
I'm going to go out and assume they are atleast quarter wolf
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I'm going to go out and assume they are atleast quarter wolf
Dire wolf. ;)
Nah..lol...actually they are British Inuits, a blend of sheperd, husky and malamute. They look a whole lot like wolves but in fact are not. (I was sure they had wolf in them too, but apparently not)
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Dire wolf. ;)
Nah..lol...actually they are British Inuits, a blend of sheperd, husky and malamute. They look a whole lot like wolves but in fact are not. (I was sure they had wolf in them too, but apparently not)
damn I wish I had a white dire wolf.
Although with the throat ripping they have a bad stigma :D
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Rubbing their nose in it will, likely as not, make a dog fear you.
Newspaper will, likely as not, encourage them to "go" in the house.
Catching them in the act is key.
A firm "NO" while they are doing it, followed by an immediate trip outside to the acceptable spot is much more useful. If they poop, take it with you and put it in a spot acceptable to you and then show the poop to him, reinforcing that this is the correct spot to put these things. Be careful of letting the pup see you do this, as they consider it "theirs" in the beginning and if they catch you stealing their poop, they may start "hiding" it in the house.
Pups can (within reason) hold their waste for about an hour per month of age. Also keep in mind that most dogs may have to poop, right after they eat, as firing up the salivary glands starts the digestion process. It isn't that they process it right away, but rather are eliminating from the last meal.
Repetition and consistency on your part will be the key. Go out of the same door, go to the same spot, hang a bell on that door if you like. The dog will associate this door with the need to eliminate, will start to go to the same spot to do it, possibly even ringing the bell to let you know.
If the pup is very young (this may sound disgusting), you can poke it in the behind with a paper match while in your "appropriate pooping spot". This will simulate momma dog giving them a bath and will stimulate him to poop. Once he goes, praise him ridiculously for doing so. You may only have to do this one or two times for them to get the picture.
All of my dogs that I've ever owned have been taught to go in a 10 x 10 spot in the back yard. It saves time "minesweeping" as nobody likes hitting dog turds with the lawnmower...
Good luck.
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I used bells hanging from the door knob for the puppy to tell me he needed to go out. Both of our Border collies would nose the bells when they wanted to go out.
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I used bells hanging from the door knob for the puppy to tell me he needed to go out. Both of our Border collies would nose the bells when they wanted to go out.
That's pretty cool. How did you train them to do that?
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That's pretty cool. How did you train them to do that?
Everytime I let them out I would jingle the bells. They kind of picked up on it themselves from there.
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I didn't buys these, but is exactly what I did:
http://www.amazon.com/PoochieBells-Solid-Classic-Training-Doorbell/dp/B0016IWV02/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1368213190&sr=8-5&keywords=bells
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My family has a 3 mo old female black lap puppy.
Cant get her to goto the bathroom outside, she has a doggie door but refuses to use it for anything else then to run when about to smack her arse for peeing inside.
Any idea or recommendations? At this point, im thinking of making her a pound puppy.
Cage when your not in immediate contact with him. Then outside immediately after eating. Praise it for going "outside" Teach him to associate the word with the place and action
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This. My family has had a black lab for about 8 years now, and she is terrified of hoses and the like, but we have a pool and after every walk, even when it's the stingy side of 50 degrees out she'll jump right in (pool unheated).
My black lab is exacty the same way. HATEs when you spray her with water. But on a hot day She'll hang out on the trampiline. then get down. Jump into the pool, Swim around for a minute. then jump back out and back up onto the trampoline again to sun herself or give herself a back massage with a tennis ball.
My new golden retriever is afraid of everything . Complete polar opposite of my last one. Where my last one if he heard a sound would charge toward it.
This one. Well lets just say his fight or flight instincts are strictly flight. Dunno why. He's just always been that way. We had to teach him to like the water. He would be terrified of it.
One day last summer I said screw this. and put him in the pool. He was clinging to the side for dear life when I got a ball. As with all Goldens. "life is ball"
Put it in the pool with him. He wouldnt go after it. Handed it to him. he took it. then placed in next to him. And he bent his head and pick it up. then started moving it further and further away.. Within 15 minutes he was swimming after it, Bringing it back and taking off before I even tyossed it again.
Within the hour he was jumping in the pool on his own.
Now he will even stick his entire head underwater to get something.
Still doesnt like being sprayed though. My last one would thin it was part of a game and attack it
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True. It wasn't a 100% easy transition, but she was house trained and hasn't chewed anything. She loves our shoes, but she doesn't chew them, she takes them under the dining room table and adds them to her shoe stash. Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UycdZQCt8QQ
LOL! That's pretty funny!
Our female lab has an original squeaky toy from when she was a pup (It's 6 years old now, and the rubber is hard) She MUST carry it out with her every morning before she does her thing. Then she picks it back up afterward, carries it back inside and lies on her blanket and makes these sort of "Lassie" whines. She's done that since 10 weeks old!
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We used the bells on the doorknob method as well as the command "get it done,"
Now she doesn't need the bells and will squat and pee out a few drops after the command even if she doesn't really need to go.
Works for the dog too.
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We used the bells on the doorknob method as well as the command "get it done,"
Now she doesn't need the bells and will squat and pee out a few drops after the command even if she doesn't really need to go.
Works for the dog too.
lol...coffee on monitor.
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Also trained to go in the tall grass or woods, not the lawn.
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My suggestion.... take whatever the dog dsoes inside to the outside and let the dog see you place it outside. Always place it in the same area of the yard. The dog will soon get the idea.
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The key is to catch them in the act....no matter what it is...a loud yell when they are young is all it takes....
don't rub their nose in it....I wont comment further on that.
by time my pitty was 9 weeks old she would pee on command..... never go inside....close the fridge door, or any open door for that matter....would not eat unless I told her to....could lay a piece of any food on her paw she wouldn't move just look at me waiting for the command.....
to Dogs we are Gods...all they want to do is please us....they know exactly how you are feeling, when you are angry they know it....when you are happy they know it, and they know the difference....
voice training is the best way.....be the pack leader :aok
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Here's a shot of one of my sister's dogs. She has two of these:
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa409/Christopher_Morris/savvy.jpg)
That is a beautiful dog!
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That is a beautiful dog!
Agreed. Thanks. Too much dog for us though, they are almost as big as the Great Dane she had until recently (died about 2 months ago...sniff).
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Agreed. Thanks. Too much dog for us though, they are almost as big as the Great Dane she had until recently (died about 2 months ago...sniff).
Aw :(