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Theoretically, the 110 should win in a low and slow turn fight... so why is it that I beat a 110 twice in a low and slow turn fight with a 47M?
And yes, I have film to support this. I will upload it first chance I get (meaning as soon as I find it... :uhoh)
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Theoretically, the 110 should win in a low and slow turn fight... so why is it that I beat a 110 twice in a low and slow turn fight with a 47M?
Other pilot probably sucked
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Why are you low and slow in either of those in the first place?
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The G is a pig. The C how ever can dance. Btw I have never been out turned by a G except one time where o
was 100% fuel
and he had like 3% :furious
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Theoretically, the 110 should win in a low and slow turn fight... so why is it that I beat a 110 twice in a low and slow turn fight with a 47M?
And yes, I have film to support this. I will upload it first chance I get (meaning as soon as I find it... :uhoh)
Cool: two threads about one fight! ;)
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Both 110's turn pretty good IMO, it's just you will hardly see a 110 be used for a dog fighter rather than a HO machine.
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Why are you low and slow in either of those in the first place?
In a nut shell... I was trying to BnZ, but he wouldn't hold still. This caused me to become impatient and since there were no other cons around (at least the second time there weren't) I figured I would stay off his nose and start turning. I ended up at about 150 mph at full flaps trying to pull lead. For whatever reason, the second time I distinctly remember him breaking left after we had both been in the right hand turn for about a minute. I was assuming he had pulled to hard and started to stall. The left hand roll was an attempt to recover.
He was probably one of those pilots that empties their tail gun to save weight for turning. If he had kept those rounds, he could have leveled off and started shooting at me, I would have broken off to look for another angle.
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110s are easy generally meat for any Jug. When they level off and get in the tail gun, they're punching their ticket for a trip to the tower. The only time a 110 has a chance is with a HO. If they miss, it's over for them.
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I know someone in game that can make a 110G turn with a P39Q so the jug has no chance in hell in a pure turnfight I won't name any names caused he asked not to be named
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Why are you low and slow in either of those in the first place?
Because he was having fun! :old:
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110s are easy generally meat for any Jug. When they level off and get in the tail gun, they're punching their ticket for a trip to the tower. The only time a 110 has a chance is with a HO. If they miss, it's over for them.
When LilMak is flying the jug, every other plane in the sky is just waiting for a ticket to the tower. :joystick:
But, as everyone has noticed any plane in the right hands can cause you trouble.
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My limited flights in the a 110 makes me come to the conclusion that after 3 or 4 turns, if you haven't killed them already, you're pretty much SOL unless against an incompetent plane/pilot.
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Its all about the pilot, take two pilots that are just about the same and then the plane can make the difference. I have beaten zeros and brews slow turn fighting in my 110G in the DA to the point i was told my 110 was hacked, ask adb. It really is all about the pilot and his skill lvl nothing more.
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I know someone in game that can make a 110G turn with a P39Q so the jug has no chance in hell in a pure turnfight I won't name any names caused he asked not to be named
Well the P39 isn't really that maneuverable.
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Theoretically, the 110 should win in a low and slow turn fight... so why is it that I beat a 110 twice in a low and slow turn fight with a 47M?
I shot down a 109K4 in a 1 on 1 dogfight using the forward .303s of a Boston. I've also defeated LA7s with a TBM and an F4U with an SBD. Clearly the K4, Lala and hog are under modeled.
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Well the P39 isn't really that maneuverable.
if you think it ain't very maneuverable then you are flying it right I can get my P39 to sustain a turn fight with a spit 9 pretty easily the trick is just take the 3 gun pack versus the 5 gun pack as along as you have a 37mm in the hub your set to get atleast 1 kill with that aircraft
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Why are you low and slow in either of those in the first place?
why not?
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If you're in a 47M, and your going against any 110.
If he wants to turn, point your nose at the sun and come back down on his little dizzy bellybutton and blow him up.
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Probably had the stall limiter on.
I'll always go after a P47 in a 110 regardless of energy state or altitude advantage and win most of them if he doesn't run away.
90% of my meeting a jug at 30k+ result in the jug immediately diving away 29,000 feet.
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Probably had the stall limiter on.
I'll always go after a P47 in a 110 regardless of energy state or altitude advantage and win most of them if he doesn't run away.
90% of my meeting a jug at 30k+ result in the jug immediately diving away 29,000 feet.
A Bf110 is a free kill to a P-47 at 30k+. You must only encounter incompetents
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why not?
Because he was having fun! :old:
This. :old:
It was fun for me, though I don't think the other pilot enjoyed it. The first time around there was an LA in the fight as well that broke off his attack after a few turns. I'm assuming the radio chatter sounded like... "I'm going to have a 1v1 with this guy, don't kill him unless he gets me." That said, after words I nearly out turned the LA for a few passes.
The second time, he clearly wasn't having fun because right after I shot him down he grabbed a spixteen and owned me. He also returned neither of my salutes.
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Probably had the stall limiter on.
I'll always go after a P47 in a 110 regardless of energy state or altitude advantage and win most of them if he doesn't run away.
90% of my meeting a jug at 30k+ result in the jug immediately diving away 29,000 feet.
who has time to climb to 30k?
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who has time to climb to 30k?
I love to fight at 30k, it's fun shooting down the guy who isn't used to it. One of my favorite things to do is sit above strats and shoot down the bombers. Or... sit above enemy strats and shoot down the interceptors.
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I love to fight at 30k, it's fun shooting down the guy who isn't used to it. One of my favorite things to do is sit above strats and shoot down the bombers. Or... sit above enemy strats and shoot down the interceptors.
Over the years that I was a trainer, I would frequently run training events at 30k. Up there, the P-47s rule the roost. However, the P-38s, Spit 9, Spit 14, P-51s, Ta-152 and F4U-4 are very capable. 109s do so-so, 190s are largely out of their realm. The biggest issue for the 190s is that there isn't much gap between max speed and stall speed, which severely limits capability.
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Theoretically, the 110 should win in a low and slow turn fight... so why is it that I beat a 110 twice in a low and slow turn fight with a 47M?
And yes, I have film to support this. I will upload it first chance I get (meaning as soon as I find it... :uhoh)
I disagree,
The low and slow JUG may be the most dangerous adversary you happen to come across.
If you take it for granted the JUG will EAT you.
:cheers:
BTW, I for one thouroughly enjoy the 110 as a guilty pleasure. :aok
:salute
JUGgler
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I disagree,
The low and slow JUG may be the most dangerous adversary you happen to come across.
If you take it for granted the JUG will EAT you.
...l
JUGgler
I disagree. Prove me wrong....
Oh, nvm, you can't... because my mighty Spitfire pwns your Jug like it's the low and slow Jug that it is.... but...
I do admit that 110 of yours is quite the challange. :joystick:
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If you're in a 47M, and your going against any 110.
If he wants to turn, point your nose at the sun and come back down on his little dizzy bellybutton and blow him up.
hey where the heck have you been. lots of people looking for ya.
semp
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I disagree,
The low and slow JUG may be the most dangerous adversary you happen to come across.
If you take it for granted the JUG will EAT you.
:cheers:
BTW, I for one thouroughly enjoy the 110 as a guilty pleasure. :aok
:salute
JUGgler
Sorry, that was out of context. The discussion came up in 200 and everyone else said that it should not out turn the 110 despite what I had just done. And I also like to take the 110 when the enemy bombers absolutely cannot make it home in one piece.
I disagree. Prove me wrong....
Oh, nvm, you can't... because my mighty Spitfire pwns your Jug like it's the low and slow Jug that it is.... but...
I do admit that 110 of yours is quite the challange. :joystick:
I disagree, I've out turned spits in the jug. And yes, I have film for this as well if I can remember when any of them were recorded. It's simple, build lots of speed (run away) if they follow you, you quickly chop throttle and do a few ACMs to quickly bleed speed. BOOM! Spit overshoots = profit.
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I once flew a Spit IX to a stalemate in a 110G-2 in a low and slow one-on-one that must have lasted 5 minutes or more. It wasn't because I out-turned him though, it was because I out-flew him.
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I've out turned spits in the jug.
No you haven't.
It's simple, build lots of speed (run away) if they follow you, you quickly chop throttle and do a few ACMs to quickly bleed speed. BOOM! Spit overshoots = profit.
That's not out-turning them.
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Believe I got into a great 1v1 my d25 vs a 110 (Hub V Surfinn) Ended up a stalemate low and slow. I think it always goes back to the pilots. Performance wise it seemed the planes were to close to make or break the deal....
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The 110 series plane is one of my favorite planes. I am not the greatest pilot but I agree that flying at 28-30k and look for a fight against other fighters. Though I don't win all my fights those facing me will know they have been in a fight and I have shot down a number of players who are good pilots. The 110's are seriously underestimated when fighting them at high alts.
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I once flew a Spit IX to a stalemate in a 110G-2 in a low and slow one-on-one that must have lasted 5 minutes or more. It wasn't because I out-turned him though, it was because I out-flew him.
How the heck did you manage a 1 on 1 for five minutes without either of you getting gang banged? Must have been in the TA or DA.
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How the heck did you manage a 1 on 1 for five minutes without either of you getting gang banged? Must have been in the TA or DA.
Off-peak hours, it's more common than you think.
Wiley.
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Off-peak hours, it's more common than you think.
Wiley.
Even more common during off peak hours, flying to a field to start a fight but people hop in ack guns instead.
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110's are good turners when light. Most of the time you see them with too much fuel and they are easy kills. I have personally been in a 2 v 1 both 109's. I had one return about 4 times. I won all 5 engagements. They were heavy and slow and I was light and slow and on top of my game that day. If you use drops and 25% and have a few buddies in the area you can make it home.
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hey where the heck have you been. lots of people looking for ya.
semp
Places to go people to kill. Who's been snoopin for me?
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HAIL THE GRAYCLIF
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Even more common during off peak hours, flying to a field to start a fight but people hop in ack guns instead.
Follow the red bardars. Sometimes they ack hug sometimes they fight.
Wiley.
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How the heck did you manage a 1 on 1 for five minutes without either of you getting gang banged? Must have been in the TA or DA.
Off-peak hours, it's more common than you think.
Wiley.
Nope. Neither one. It was LW prime time (well, probably around 9:00 PM Central) on the big map with all the water and islands. The fight happened on the island N of the v-base island on the SW corner of the map between the S airfield and the port on the E side of the island. I'm not sure why but no one intruded.
I had a similarly long fight on the big pinwheel map by one of the v-bases in the NW corner one day. I was in a JU-87 and held off a P-38 and I think it was a P-51D for almost five minutes before two friendlies arrived and allowed me to escape.
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This thread would be slightly more worth commenting on if a model of 110 had at least been mentioned once....
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There once was a 110c pilot that flew it like a boss.....Dasterly I think? was very many years ago..
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110c is awesome!!! 4000bb's :aok