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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Letalis on May 11, 2013, 02:20:55 AM
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I don't like where this trend is headed...
Late War Tour 160
Kills by Zooty in a
Fw 190A-8 by model type
Model Type Kills Percent
B-17G 1 3.333
Lancaster III 25 83.333
P-38L 1 3.333
P-47-D40 2 6.667
Spitfire Mk XIV 1 3.333
30 Kills
Late War Tour 160
Kills by Zooty in a
Fw 190A-8 by player name
Player Name Killed Percent
49ROOT 25 83.333
49Skids 1 3.333
Chorizzo 1 3.333
jarbo 1 3.333
Schen 1 3.333
Wild 1 3.333
30 Kills
Copyright © 2013, HiTech Creations, Inc.
HiTech Creations, Inc.
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we really needed another thread on this subject
thanks
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To ignore is to condone. Any number of simple fixes could be implemented, but here we are...
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A wuss epidemic is upon us
Get your shots in MA furbal clinic
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I don't like where this trend is headed...
Late War Tour 160
Kills by Zooty in a
Fw 190A-8 by model type
Model Type Kills Percent
B-17G 1 3.333
Lancaster III 25 83.333
P-38L 1 3.333
P-47-D40 2 6.667
Spitfire Mk XIV 1 3.333
30 Kills
Late War Tour 160
Kills by Zooty in a
Fw 190A-8 by player name
Player Name Killed Percent
49ROOT 25 83.333
49Skids 1 3.333
Chorizzo 1 3.333
jarbo 1 3.333
Schen 1 3.333
Wild 1 3.333
30 Kills
Copyright © 2013, HiTech Creations, Inc.
HiTech Creations, Inc.
i find threads like this more annoying then the shaders in game. I felt compelled to tell you because to ignore it would be to condone it... :old:
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i find threads like this more annoying then the shaders in game. I felt compelled to tell you because to ignore it would be to condone it... :old:
Yep, it's a non-issue and we should all mind our own business. Then tell me, why aren't you minding yours?
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i find threads like this more annoying then the shaders in game. I felt compelled to tell you because to ignore it would be to condone it... :old:
At least annoying threads on the bbs can't impact game play.
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we really needed another thread on this subject
thanks
Evidently it's an issue that is bothering more and more people.
Also, look at it this way, school hasn't let out yet. :rolleyes:
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I am Letalis' shade. :old:
:noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
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It surprises me...If I found myself needing perks I'd pick up an high ENY ride and go searching for a low ENY rides. To me the logic seems simple, kill Spit 16/51D/190D with a P-40/109E/51B and you receive great perks. I know it's this guys 30.00 bucks, but you have to admit it takes away from the achievement of gaining perk rides.
Hell, at this point HTC should go the direction WoT did, for an extra $10.00 you can buy 50 perks in one group, $20.00 gets you 100 and so on.
I mean seriously, these shade kills or drone killers need to invest in some morals. I've always enjoyed the HTC community, just for the fact that 98% were just good people playing honest. Guys like this and ArchieD really do take away from the community. Some may not agree, but for me I'll take the challenge of piloting a P-40E against a 51d vs spending time killing a non piloted machine.
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I might open a second account just to let shade killers kill me. I'll charge them $10/mo. I'm thinking with all the shade vulchers out there I could make some good money on this.
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I might open a second account just to let shade killers kill me. I'll charge them $10/mo. I'm thinking with all the shade vulchers out there I could make some good money on this.
An outstanding idea! :rock
We'd need a dedicated sub forum to advertise properly though.
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An outstanding idea! :rock
We'd need a dedicated sub forum to advertise properly though.
"Perk Sugar Baby ISO Perk Sugar Daddy: Must enjoy G4M1s and have your bail out button hot-keyed.
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Everytime I've shot at 49ROOT he has shot back :old:
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At least annoying threads on the bbs can't impact game play.
And how has it directly impacted your game play? How many times has archied or this guy shot you down in a 262 or any other perked plane?
Again I think its lame but seriously its not that big a deal
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And how has it directly impacted your game play? How many times has archied or this guy shot you down in a 262 or any other perked plane?
Again I think its lame but seriously its not that big a deal
I'm losing sleep, thereby getting shot down more often. ;)
The impact on game play should be obvious. Player shade vulches, gains mucho perks, uses mucho perks to fly more perk planes more often. If you agree the planes are perked for a reason, then you have to believe they give the player options he or she otherwise wouldn't have if a non perk ride were chosen. Viola. Gameplay impacted.
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Everytime I've shot at 49ROOT he has shot back :old:
Yeah... This one doesn't scream shade to me either. The numbers could be a result of a massive pummeling of a drunken pilot.
:headscratch:
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I'm losing sleep, thereby getting shot down more often. ;)
The impact on game play should be obvious. Player shade vulches, gains mucho perks, uses mucho perks to fly more perk planes more often. If you agree the planes are perked for a reason, then you have to believe they give the player options he or she otherwise wouldn't have if a non perk ride were chosen. Viola. Gameplay impacted.
so you are saying that it hasnt directly impacted your gameplay what so ever. You are just a busy body being concerned with others.
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Are you familiar with DokGonzo's 'Tao of Hate?' Here be opportunity. Are you a pilot or a pile-ette? If you aren't up to the task, how mu h of a bounty will you put up? :D
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For the record, I'd prefer to spam the wishlist forum, but this behavior is not to be tolerated and poses a greater net loss to the game experience than any positive gains from my ideas.
Even if shade accounts were controlled completely, there is always the potential for "unprincipled collaboration" if you will.
IMHO a good fix, as I've mentioned earlier, would be to simply not award perks or ranking data for kills of players when they constitute more than 5% of your overall kill total for that tour.
Decent players: go look at your own stats in a given tour and tell me how many of you would object to such a system.
You can't legislate morality in RL, but you can coad it to a degree in a virtual one.
No, I've never been killed by Archie or Zooty in a 262, but someone else might, and it's the principle of the thing. I'm rather annoyed nothing has been done, that made the difference between taking the time to post a new thread and simply moving on. For me this issue is beginning to represent a wider triumph of capitalism at its worst over decency and principle. :old:
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I hate to tell you this, but in this particular case it is possible that these are legit kills.
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For the record, I'd prefer to spam the wishlist forum, but this behavior is not to be tolerated and poses a greater net loss to the game experience than any positive gains from my ideas.
Even if shade accounts were controlled completely, there is always the potential for "unprincipled collaboration" if you will.
IMHO a good fix, as I've mentioned earlier, would be to simply not award perks or ranking data for kills of players when they constitute more than 5% of your overall kill total for that tour.
Decent players: go look at your own stats in a given tour and tell me how many of you would object to such a system.
You can't legislate morality in RL, but you can coad it to a degree in a virtual one.
No, I've never been killed by Archie or Zooty in a 262, but someone else might, and it's the principle of the thing. I'm rather annoyed nothing has been done, that made the difference between taking the time to post a new thread and simply moving on. For me this issue is beginning to represent a wider triumph of capitalism at its worst over decency and principle. :old:
c'mon you don't think perhaps you are over reacting just a little?
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For me this issue is beginning to represent a wider triumph of capitalism at its worst over decency and principle. :old:
Commie.
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so you are saying that it hasnt directly impacted your gameplay what so ever. You are just a busy body being concerned with others.
So you're saying you agree with my assessment of how shade vulching impacts game play but have chosen to call me a busy body because your argument has no merit.
For the record, I didn't discover any of the recent vulchers. I will try harder for you in the future though. :)
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So you're saying you agree with my assessment of how shade vulching impacts game play but have chosen to call me a busy body because your argument has no merit.
For the record, I didn't discover any of the recent vulchers. I will try harder for you in the future though. :)
you keep saying that this affecting peoples game play and ruining the game. I asked you very simply how it has directly impacted your game play to which you have been unable to give a single answer.
seems as if you keep posting just to post. Have fun with that and best of luck to you
<3 DMGOD
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So you're saying you agree with my assessment of how shade vulching impacts game play but have chosen to call me a busy body because your argument has no merit.
An argument that has no merit would be more akin to poor comprehension combined with playing obtuse. :aok
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you keep saying that this affecting peoples game play and ruining the game. I asked you very simply how it has directly impacted your game play to which you have been unable to give a single answer.
seems as if you keep posting just to post. Have fun with that and best of luck to you
<3 DMGOD
I must be lucky that I haven't been kilt by a shade vulchers perk ride that I know of. . But couldn't the hundred or more guys who've been shot down by ArchieD and his discount jet count themselves as having been impacted? Naw... I bet they're just busy bodies too. :)
The only real argument is whether the attitude you and others have of "mind your own business it's just shade vulching" will encourage more of it. Who can say? Common sense tells me that turning a blind eye to toolshed behavior does nothing to stop it, though.
That enough substance to justify me posting?
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Yep, it's a non-issue and we should all mind our own business. Then tell me, why aren't you minding yours?
:rofl
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An argument that has no merit would be more akin to poor comprehension combined with playing obtuse. :aok
Uh huh. :aok
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I must be lucky that I haven't been kilt by a shade vulchers perk ride that I know of. .
Only if you're presuming it's commonplace (which you appear to be). Presumption never made a good argument
nor a solid foundation for crusade fixation disorder.
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so you are saying that it hasnt directly impacted your gameplay what so ever. You are just a busy body being concerned with others.
Seriously DMGOD. That's a bit hipocritical don't ya think? I mean why are you participating at all in this since you haven't played for how long now ?
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Only if you're presuming it's commonplace (which you appear to be). Presumption never made a good argument
nor a solid foundation for crusade fixation disorder.
It could happen to you. :(
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killsin.php?playername=ArchieD&kcnt=73&selectTour=LWTour159&pindex=51 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killsin.php?playername=ArchieD&kcnt=73&selectTour=LWTour159&pindex=51)
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Triton is a busybody. Me, I'm an evil capitalist. :P
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Triton is a busybody. Me, I'm an evil capitalist. :P
You gonna get in on this shade account deal with us? Beware... Whatever you sell vulches for, I'm gonna cut you by 50 cents. :D
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Seriously DMGOD. That's a bit hipocritical don't ya think? I mean why are you participating at all in this since you haven't played for how long now ?
so if your not active in game you shouldnt be posting on the forums? :rolleyes:
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It could happen to you. :(
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killsin.php?playername=ArchieD&kcnt=73&selectTour=LWTour159&pindex=51 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killsin.php?playername=ArchieD&kcnt=73&selectTour=LWTour159&pindex=51)
Apparently it didn't happen to either of us .... yet. It'll probably happen to you before it does me. As such, I suppose that explains why your concern is much greater than mine. :D
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so if your not active in game you shouldnt be posting on the forums? :rolleyes:
Being inactive means that he isn't ingame currently to experience the impact of shade vulching and perk farming.
(I think you may have interpreted Zoney's post incorrectly. I don't think he is suggesting what you seem to have).
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Being inactive means that he isn't ingame currently to experience the impact of shade vulching and perk farming.
(I think you may have interpreted Zoney's post incorrectly. I don't think he is suggesting what you seem to have).
Meh. I'd wager his experience wouldn't be different one way or the other. :D
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why are you participating at all in this since you haven't played for how long now ?
I may have taken it differently then intended, I cannot argue that because I do not know how he wished me to perceive it.. however I think that discounting someone's opinion simply because they are not currently playing is wrong.
It's wrong to assume that someone who stopped playing awhile ago must have never dealt with shading, as if we are in the dawn of some new issue..
Shading is nothing new, nor is it worse then it has ever been... In my opinion its only the witch hunting of shaders here on the BBS that is magnifying the appearance of the problem.
I have always agreed it is a problem, and that shading is wrong.. however where I stop agreeing is the severity of its impact on the rest of us. I say let the people who have the power to handle these things, handle them.. as they have been and will continue to do.
I mean no disrespect towards zoney, I just disagree.. that is all :salute
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Legit kills? Chalenge the guy has 1.7% accuracy AFTER his amazing bomber run. When is the last time you downed 8 sets of buffs in a mission? He went home and hotpadded? Then resumed killing the same guy repeatedly again because the guy had the decency to wait around 15 minutes for him to come back from the hotpad? And in all this massacre no enemy fighters came to poor 49Root's aid, nor did two dozen of 49Root's bombers ever land sufficient hits to end said massacre? Less dramatic than Archie, given, but sorry, still skeptical.
Overreacting? It's a game. Games have rules that define it and make it fair. Be it 15 bucks later or 180 or 720 bucks later, you're going to run into a situation that wasn't inherently fair because of this crap. It is preventable. As for "commie", perhaps the use of the word "capitalism" was a poor choice if only because any drive-by IQ would immediately equate any disgruntled tone in the same sentence as "capitalism" to "communism." (It must be! He hates capitalism! He hates America!!!) Crap morals will screw ANY system- that is the real point Mr. Drive-by. Capitalism is inherently good and I am as sick of the socialist trends in the U.S. as the next guy, if not more. I mean, who doesn't like being forced to pay for someone else's birth control, abortions, general healthcare, illegal immigrant i.d. cards, food stamps etc etc etc AND the 16 billion dollar plus bureaucracy that enforces said system? Maybe I'm just a hypocritical evil capitalist myself and don't know it...:bolt:
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Seriously DMGOD. That's a bit hipocritical don't ya think? I mean why are you participating at all in this since you haven't played for how long now ?
How is it hypocritical that I post my opinion in a thread about a game I've been an active member for over geez 8 years now almost 9? Ive been gone about 4 months now and will be returning shortly to ruin all of your scores and good times soon enough
<3 DMGOD
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Seriously DMGOD. That's a bit hipocritical don't ya think? I mean why are you participating at all in this since you haven't played for how long now ?
Who are you? Never heard of you. Judging from your "location" you're "chalenge" reincarnated.
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:lol@Letalis. Ya commie.
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Keep driving...
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Legit kills? Chalenge the guy has 1.7% accuracy AFTER his amazing bomber run. When is the last time you downed 8 sets of buffs in a mission?
@Letalis: In September (when I was primarily focusing on bombers) I shot down 12 B17s in one sortie without rearming in a 152, which was against the 49's. You have one of them listed as his primary kill. In the early hour mornings there can be as few as 40 players in LW, which is when I suspect this happened. Also, despite going right through the parade of seven formations I was never hit even after a dozen trips through the parade.
25 bomber kills in one day? Not likely against the same player. Over the course of ten days? Easy. BUT, the big breaking news story is. . . this particular bomber guy gets overwhelmed and bails quickly, so you have to spray all of his planes or its a wasted trip (going by memory on that though). He is not the only one that does that.
Anyway, you might want to cancel the cord of wood for that witch burning. . .
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I don't know if I would jump to conclusions here. Zooty seems like a pretty good guy to me.
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I see zooty in the middle if the fray generally. Have been since lime a year ago.
And what's wrong with vulching??? It's fun :D
and adventurous
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I don't like where this trend is headed...
Late War Tour 160
Kills by Zooty in a
Fw 190A-8 by model type
Model Type Kills Percent
B-17G 1 3.333
Lancaster III 25 83.333
P-38L 1 3.333
P-47-D40 2 6.667
Spitfire Mk XIV 1 3.333
30 Kills
Late War Tour 160
Kills by Zooty in a
Fw 190A-8 by player name
Player Name Killed Percent
49ROOT 25 83.333
49Skids 1 3.333
Chorizzo 1 3.333
jarbo 1 3.333
Schen 1 3.333
Wild 1 3.333
30 Kills
Copyright © 2013, HiTech Creations, Inc.
HiTech Creations, Inc.
Why should I care about this? :headscratch:
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Generally speaking I usually kill 2 buffs of the formation and leave one for interrogation.
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Everytime I've shot at 49ROOT he has shot back :old:
Isn't it time you learned something other than HO?
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@Letalis: In September (when I was primarily focusing on bombers) I shot down 12 B17s in one sortie without rearming in a 152, which was against the 49's. You have one of them listed as his primary kill. In the early hour mornings there can be as few as 40 players in LW, which is when I suspect this happened. Also, despite going right through the parade of seven formations I was never hit even after a dozen trips through the parade.
25 bomber kills in one day? Not likely against the same player. Over the course of ten days? Easy. BUT, the big breaking news story is. . . this particular bomber guy gets overwhelmed and bails quickly, so you have to spray all of his planes or its a wasted trip (going by memory on that though). He is not the only one that does that.
Anyway, you might want to cancel the cord of wood for that witch burning. . .
I was on at the time, late evening, over 260 people in LW. Also, in September, you had over a 30:1 k/d. This tour you have a 7:1 k/d in fighters (>14 times better) with 17% accuracy (10 times better). Last, 12 kills is not 27. There's a huge difference in terms of magnitude and credibility here, "nice guy" or not. BTW, you have any lighter fluid?
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As has already been said, Zooty is a stand up guy. At least in AH, I don't know him personally. You might want to ask him about this. I'm fairly certain he'd answer. I've never seen him do anything questionable and he seems always willing to take one for the Knights where losing a base is concerned.
I had something happen not too long ago where a Brew (don't remember player's name & have to be omw to mother's day stuff or I'd look it up) upped over and over again resulting in proxies. I never inquired about it, but I suspected some sort of a glitch or something of the like, considering I don't know that player and I wasn't the only one getting the proxies over and over.
Ask him.
:salute
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Talked to him both that night and today. Definitely a nice guy, maintained his account. No explanation for why the kills would all show up as 49Root, but a glitch isn't outside the realm of possibility and at this point I too am inclined to give benefit of the doubt. :salute
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So everybody can put away the torches and pitchforks?
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I'm putting away the matches and blaming HT for now ;)
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Talked to him both that night and today. Definitely a nice guy, maintained his account. No explanation for why the kills would all show up as 49Root, but a glitch isn't outside the realm of possibility and at this point I too am inclined to give benefit of the doubt. :salute
I think he was high over a buff raid that had no escorts or just two. Not sure though.
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I was on at the time, late evening, over 260 people in LW. Also, in September, you had over a 30:1 k/d. This tour you have a 7:1 k/d in fighters (>14 times better) with 17% accuracy (10 times better). Last, 12 kills is not 27. There's a huge difference in terms of magnitude and credibility here, "nice guy" or not. BTW, you have any lighter fluid?
I haven't flown much this tour. It's been more fun stalking around in an M4.
Check my stats for the Ta152 for September and then talk to me about k/d.
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I haven't flown much this tour. It's been more fun stalking around in an M4.
Check my stats for the Ta152 for September and then talk to me about k/d.
Hehe, didn't mean to sell you short there. If I see you in a 152 I might have to make sure my cartoon will is in order...
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Hehe, didn't mean to sell you short there. If I see you in a 152 I might have to make sure my cartoon will is in order...
Just for the record. Zooty died seven times tonight within about forty minutes time. It was not prearranged.
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Death is best served spontaneously - better for everyone involved.