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Title: Airshow crash
Post by: thedoom26 on May 14, 2013, 09:05:14 PM
3 years ago, i was at the Lethbridge , Alberta Airshow On the Practice day, (day before actual airshow) Since me and old man Have a Vintage aircraft, we decided to take it down to the airshow, for people to look at, take pictures whatever, But That day i saw a CF-18 Crash, it was insane for a first time being apart of an airshow, Nobody was killed, or Seriously hurt , Found a video of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSzk7lDY1iw
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: Bodhi on May 14, 2013, 09:55:55 PM
Wow, never saw that one.  Glad the pilot survived.  RH Engine failure?

As for the CF-18 drivers, I have always been impressed with their flights.  Very dedicated group.
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: thedoom26 on May 15, 2013, 12:47:42 AM
Wow, never saw that one.  Glad the pilot survived.  RH Engine failure?

As for the CF-18 drivers, I have always been impressed with their flights.  Very dedicated group.

Yea it was engine Failure,and something else not shure, But there were Reports of people seeing something falling off the plane Right before it crashes.....But yea Capt. Holly Brown Almost died, If he would have ejected 3 seconds later, he would have bin..dead prob  :salute
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: thedoom26 on May 15, 2013, 12:48:33 AM
I have Pictures of it, the crashed aircraft
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: curry1 on May 15, 2013, 02:34:28 AM
Wow, definitely looks like a right engine failure.  I never realized that ejector seats have an automatic control system, it obviously directed him up rather than just straight out.

Ironic music choice though.
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 15, 2013, 03:10:45 AM
Wow, definitely looks like a right engine failure.  I never realized that ejector seats have an automatic control system, it obviously directed him up rather than just straight out.

Ironic music choice though.

On that video was a link to the Ukraine airshow.. now THAT is a crash I can't believe the pilot walked out from. Bystanders were not so lucky though.
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: colmbo on May 15, 2013, 09:41:05 AM
Yea it was engine Failure,and something else not shure, But there were Reports of people seeing something falling off the plane Right before it crashes.....But yea Capt. Holly Brown Almost died, If he would have ejected 3 seconds later, he would have bin..dead prob  :salute

According to the accident report it was a "stuck piston" in the fuel control unit for the right engine that prevented the engine from going above flight idle.
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: GScholz on May 15, 2013, 10:06:28 AM
They need to stop flying so close to the envelope during airshows. Small problems like an engine refusing to throttle up on a multi-engined plane should not lead to crashes like this. A little more speed and he would have been ok.
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: cpxxx on May 15, 2013, 11:07:30 AM
Never saw that video before, the pilot was lucky, he seemed to get out just at the very edge of the seat's envelope. Reminds me of the famous Mig 29 crash at the Paris airshow all those years ago.

I saw a crash at an airshow back in the eighties, not a jet but a Polish Wilga which spun in from low level. No ejection seat for that unfortunate pilot. The sickening thump followed the stunned silence sticks in my mind.
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: GScholz on May 15, 2013, 11:32:28 AM
This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh3c3U5ajWE
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: cpxxx on May 15, 2013, 12:06:43 PM
Quite similar isn't it?
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: GScholz on May 15, 2013, 12:27:27 PM
Pretty much identical I'd say.
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: Gman on May 15, 2013, 03:00:39 PM
I was there in Lethbridge for that crash as well.  A high school friend is a CF18 pilot with 409 Squadron, also he is the primary test pilot for the RCAF right now.  Another high school friend is an owner of Vintage Wings Canada, and has a P51, a P40, a Harvard, a Hurricane, an F4U, and a bunch of other ww2 stuff.  All three of us were about a 1000 yards from where the CF18 went in.

The pilot stayed with it quite a while after the engine failed, and punched out only after his nose was pretty much on the way into the ground away from any civilians.  Pretty good stuff to see.

The best part was, the guy who filmed the video, his girlfriend said about 4 seconds after the event "is that supposed to happen?!".  A bit of levity in a crappy situation always is good for lots of laughs.  You can hear her say it on some versions of the video on uTube.  We still laugh about it today.
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: titanic3 on May 15, 2013, 04:10:46 PM
Wait...as an uneducated pilot wannabe...if only one engine died, can't modern jets fly with one/the other engine?
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: thedoom26 on May 15, 2013, 04:39:54 PM
gman, A fellow Canadian  :salute from my point of view i thought he died, i was happy to learn later he lived through that, And yes,
Wow, definitely looks like a right engine failure.  I never realized that ejector seats have an automatic control system, it obviously directed him up rather than just straight out.

Ironic music choice though.

Yes Ironic Music, "staying alive" that song was right, for the pilot
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: MiloMorai on May 15, 2013, 04:41:43 PM
For those that will be in the Ottawa area on Sept 14/15, VWC will have there annual airshow.

VWC is based at Gatineau airport.

http://www.vintagewings.ca/Home/tabid/40/language/en-CA/Default.aspx
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: mechanic on May 15, 2013, 05:21:22 PM
Wait...as an uneducated pilot wannabe...if only one engine died, can't modern jets fly with one/the other engine?


not when they are already flying at the absolute limit of slow speed maintained by the two engines
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: B4Buster on May 15, 2013, 06:25:45 PM
Wait...as an uneducated pilot wannabe...if only one engine died, can't modern jets fly with one/the other engine?

Nope, asymmetrical thrust is a killer at that altitude and airspeed. You're better to have no engines in that situation, at least you could land straight ahead rather than dropping a wing and nosing over.
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: Shifty on May 15, 2013, 06:46:40 PM
Ironic music choice though.

I was going to say the same thing.
Title: Re: Airshow crash
Post by: MarineUS on May 15, 2013, 07:42:17 PM
Top comment made me lol "Music obviously saved the pilot" xD