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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Zacherof on May 18, 2013, 02:25:21 PM
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Alot of you hate on the 26 but want an early A20.
Am I missing something here? :headscratch:
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Some people see the A-26 as a late war, barely made it, monster request, but an early A-20 as a core WWII mainstay that saw widespread action for a prolonged time.
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Some people see the A-26 as a late war, barely made it, monster request, but an early A-20 as a core WWII mainstay that saw widespread action for a prolonged time.
then the old argumeant of Ta-152's and 163's, and C-hogs, m-jugs, will rear it's ugly head. And I believe they
entered service in June of '44 in the pacific, and September the same year.
As for nubers produced I
sure is higher than the 163 and 152.
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then the old argumeant of Ta-152's and 163's, and C-hogs, m-jugs, will rear it's ugly head. And I believe they
entered service in June of '44 in the pacific, and September the same year.
As for nubers produced I
sure is higher than the 163 and 152.
No one has argued that the A-26 isn't fit for inclusion, just that it's lower on the list
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The A-26 is clearly a valid addition. I've never seen anybody claim otherwise, just that some want more mid and early war stuff added.
I used to oppose it because we were so top heavy with American stuff, but that situation has been somewhat improved and it has been a while since fans of American kites have gotten a good toy. I do think the guys planning on using it as a fighter will be significantly disappointed though.
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Not good as a fighter you say? Challenge Accepted. :neener:
if she handles like a TBM, were good :banana:
Although AW A-26 wod be cool :D
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...it has been a while since fans of American kites have gotten a good toy.
B-29, B-25, P-39, P-40 update/expansion
Nope, US hasn't gotten anything in quite some time.
Nothing to see here, keep moving along...
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Not good as a fighter you say? Challenge Accepted. :neener:
if she handles like a TBM, were good :banana:
Although AW A-26 wod be cool :D
AW's A-26 was a farce. Performance wise, the closest thing to the A-26 in AH right now is probably the Me410. The wing loading is very high on the A-26, don't expect it to turn with an A-20G and certainly don't expect the AW A-26 that could turn with Spitfires and A6Ms.
B-29, B-25, P-39, P-40 update/expansion
Nope, US hasn't gotten anything in quite some time.
Nothing to see here, keep moving along...
B-29 was the last. B-25 was quite some time ago. For MA play the P-39s, again, quite some time ago, and the P-40s aren't good.
The American stuff is definitely still dominant, but they have, what, three late war units left to be added? A-26, P-61 and SB2C. Then they are done with the MA oriented stuff fans of American stuff can ask for.
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Tehcniqeuly America. Even though it wasn't allthat by the U.S. , p-63. Then the list is pretty much going to be directed to other lesser planes
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I kind of frown upon seeing only Late war planes been requested - from the A26 to A20 - I prefer to see more countries being added in game and earlier plane sets. However, there are some planesets I would like to see finished or filled out.
I prefer to swing my vote towards Early/Midwar rides because in reality and historically these planes flew the duration of the war, not the F7F that was being "enroute" to the Pacific theater or the A26 that did very limited missions.
Russia has a boatload of planes to be added, Australia, france, Romania etc.
I'm certainly not against the A-26 or any other late war monster, Its just I like the competition of the game, instead of flying something 300mph faster then the next plane, I like the challenge.
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Tehcniqeuly America. Even though it wasn't allthat by the U.S. , p-63. Then the list is pretty much going to be directed to other lesser planes
True, though I do look forward to the howls of protest when they find that they have to use a Commie skin on their super American ride.
I kind of frown upon seeing only Late war planes been requested - from the A26 to A20 - I prefer to see more countries being added in game and earlier plane sets. However, there are some planesets I would like to see finished or filled out.
I prefer to swing my vote towards Early/Midwar rides because in reality and historically these planes flew the duration of the war, not the F7F that was being "enroute" to the Pacific theater or the A26 that did very limited missions.
Russia has a boatload of planes to be added, Australia, france, Romania etc.
I'm certainly not against the A-26 or any other late war monster, Its just I like the competition of the game, instead of flying something 300mph faster then the next plane, I like the challenge.
Generally speaking, I find the Mid-War Arena to be the best balanced. A complete Mid-War planeset would be great. It is only slightly spoiled by the potential dominance of the Spitfire Mk VIII and the fact that the next generation of Japanese fighters and bombers don't make the cut. Ki-44-II would, but just barely, and it is no Ki-84 or N1K2-J.
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True, though I do look forward to the howls of protest when they find that they have to use a Commie skin on their super American ride.
Generally speaking, I find the Mid-War Arena to be the best balanced. A complete Mid-War planeset would be great. It is only slightly spoiled by the potential dominance of the Spitfire Mk VIII and the fact that the next generation of Japanese fighters and bombers don't make the cut. Ki-44-II would, but just barely, and it is no Ki-84 or N1K2-J.
My problem with Mid-war is the lack of fights, on top of the newbies who only kill their teammates instead of others (if not perk farming). However it would be such a fantastic arena if it could hold over 100 at a time. I agree I wish the Spit8 was left out of the Midwar, only the Spit 9.
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I kind of frown upon seeing only Late war planes been requested - from the A26 to A20 - I prefer to see more countries being added in game and earlier plane sets. However, there are some planesets I would like to see finished or filled out.
I prefer to swing my vote towards Early/Midwar rides because in reality and historically these planes flew the duration of the war, not the F7F that was being "enroute" to the Pacific theater or the A26 that did very limited missions.
Russia has a boatload of planes to be added, Australia, france, Romania etc.
I'm certainly not against the A-26 or any other late war monster, Its just I like the competition of the game, instead of flying something 300mph faster then the next plane, I like the challenge.
The early A20 is definitely not a late war bird. Think DB-7 ordered by the French in 1939.
I do think HTC has to look at it in terms of actual use along with hopefully Special Events and then come up with what makes sense in terms of development time. Folks mention the IAR 80, yet in terms of actual use, I wonder what it would be once the novelty wore off. As for SEA stuff, it's really limited.
That applies to some of the Aussie birds too or even the Russian stuff.
Obviously the best example of bang for the buck in my mind will always be the Beaufighter as it served in every theater from beginning to end. It has a large upside for use in special events and would fill a role beyond hanger queen in the MAs with the torpedo carrying ability and the 4 20mms in the nose.
Trying to figure out what other birds are still out there like the Beau from any of the wartime countries becomes the challenge.
The only other one I can come up with is the P36/Hawk 75 that saw action all over with any number of countries.
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The early A20 is definitely not a late war bird. Obviously the best example of bang for the buck in my mind will always be the Beaufighter as it served in every theater from beginning to end. It has a large upside for use in special events and would fill a role beyond hanger queen in the MAs with the torpedo carrying ability and the 4 20mms in the nose.
Trying to figure out what other birds are still out there like the Beau from any of the wartime countries becomes the challenge.
The only other one I can come up with is the P36/Hawk 75 that saw action all over with any number of countries.
Ive you ever read any of my posts before, this is exactly how I feel - the more tours they served - the more I will likely vote them up. Of course when you run out planes like the beaufighter (example) or P-40 series, Ki-43 - I have to choose which plane make a bigger impact.
For example the Beaufighter vs Boomerang - One served the duration of the war with quite a few variants (Beaufighters didn't always carry torpedoes) however the Boomerang however while its an iconic bird of Australia - It did served in a limited capacity in the Southwest pacific, and made very little impact on the war.
The Hawk 75 I really haven't done much research on, mainly I've been sticking to 1940-1943 in terms of reading up on which variants and planes made a larger impact. One of the birds that always gets me is the LaGG-3 for example, which i've tried to boost up a few times but it always gets knocked down with the late war requests.
In the end, I would rather vote up a P38F before another late war ride, there is just to much history surrounding these early birds to ignore.
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LaGG-3 would be a nice addition, as would the Yak-1 and/or Yak-7. Il-4 or Pe-2 would also be good Soviet additions.
We are running out of the kind of unit that was used in multiple theaters. Some of the Italian stuff perhaps, C.200, CR.42 and SM.79-II were used in both the Mediterranean and against the Soviets. As the multi-theater units are almost all added then we ought to look to things that, while not multi-theater, still saw a lot of use. Things like the aforementioned Soviet stuff as well as Japanese units like the D4Y, B6N and Ki-45. Earlier versions of existing units, such as the B-17F, B-24D, Bf109E-7, Bf109G-6/AS, Fw190A-3, Ki-43-I, La-5, LaGG-3, Mosquito Mk II, Mosquito Mk IV, P-38F, P-38H, P-47C, P-47D-5, P-51A, Spitfire Mk II, Yak-1 and Yak-7 as well as things like the Lockheed Ventura or even the H8K2, PBY-5 and Short Sunderland.
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LaGG-3 would be a nice addition, as would the Yak-1 and/or Yak-7. Il-4 or Pe-2 would also be good Soviet additions.
We are running out of the kind of unit that was used in multiple theaters. Some of the Italian stuff perhaps, C.200, CR.42 and SM.79-II were used in both the Mediterranean and against the Soviets. As the multi-theater units are almost all added then we ought to look to things that, while not multi-theater, still saw a lot of use. Things like the aforementioned Soviet stuff as well as Japanese units like the D4Y, B6N and Ki-45. Earlier versions of existing units, such as the B-17F, B-24D, Bf109E-7, Bf109G-6/AS, Fw190A-3, Ki-43-I, La-5, LaGG-3, Mosquito Mk II, Mosquito Mk IV, P-38F, P-38H, P-47C, P-47D-5, P-51A, Spitfire Mk II, Yak-1 and Yak-7 as well as things like the Lockheed Ventura or even the H8K2, PBY-5 and Short Sunderland.
This would make a nice wish, at least fill out some of the plane sets that deserve - this is a very nice list to go on for example.
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I forgot the exact ranking, but the A26 is somewhere in the 30's as far as "what is important to be added". :aok
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I'd like to see both added in addition to more of the Soviet aircraft.
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Alot of you hate on the 26 but want an early A20G1.
Am I missing something here? :headscratch:
Yes you are ...a "G1"... not a DB7 early A20a/b
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Yes you are ...a "G1"... not a DB7 early A20a/b
Eel! An accuracy Nazi! :O :bolt:
I love to have a a
flying boat. I'd go with the mariner(tail
gunner, but the other short and Ventura were important for coastal command)
And many the PBY4(b24 with a single rudder for those that don't know and a different nose and ball turet I believ)
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Like others have said, i hope they put more focus on making early war-mid war rides for other nations.
I dream of a day where even in the late war arena, that anything that is after '44 will be perked, just to leave the door open for incentive to use the early and mid war rides in the late arena more, even if they are under powered and fairly out gunned.
One can dream, but i think in the next 2-3 years it will become more of a reality.
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Eel! An accuracy Nazi! :O :bolt:
You are right :aok I should of said "A Clue" ;)
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Like others have said, i hope they put more focus on making early war-mid war rides for other nations.
I dream of a day where even in the late war arena, that anything that is after '44 will be perked, just to leave the door open for incentive to use the early and mid war rides in the late arena more, even if they are under powered and fairly out gunned.
One can dream, but i think in the next 2-3 years it will become more of a reality.
I have posted this before...and I think you are right :aok
"Planes I would like to see enter the game. I make my selections in the interest of the game and believe they would add more representation and interest to the game!
I believe adding new country's air craft or ground vehicles will increases our player base. If you have ground vehicles from a country not in the game... feel free to post them.
All countries that produced there own planes and who's patrons fought and died in WWII not represented in the Game.
D-520 Fighter
Lioré-et-Olivier LeO 45 Med Bomber
Breguet 693 Light Ground Attack
Potez 630 Hvy Fighter
Caudron C.714 Fighter
Bloch MB-152 Interceptor Fighter
Ms-406 Fighter France
DAP Beaufighter Mk 21 Heavy Fighter/Attack
CaC Ca-13 Boomerang Fighter/Jabo/Spotter Australia
Mavag Haja II Fighter Hungary
I.A.R. 80/81 Fighter Romania
Ikarus/Rogožarski IK-3 Fighter Yugoslavia
Avia B-135 Fighter Bulgaria
PZL.37B Med/Hvy Bomber
PZL.23B Karaś Attack/Light Bomber Poland
VL Myrsky Fighter Finland <their own plane>
Fokker G.I HvyFighter
Fokker T.V. Bomber
Fokker D.XXI Fighter Netherlands
I do not care if they were used for 2 weeks, if there were six built, they did not shoot hundreds of planes down, or the area of the world was insignificant. They were made and used in WWII by these countries in squadron form. In some cases, countries pinned their hopes on these planes only to be wiped from the air or conquered on land by the German forces. Most... never had time to flesh out there ability’s to evolve their aircraft or were upgraded with another countries plane.. I believe adding these planes will add more interest in/to the game.
I also think the existing population would have allot have fun flying these planes and that many of them would be good for events. "
Iwould like to fly these,
:salute