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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ghi on May 19, 2013, 05:48:29 PM
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heads up; from Texas to Canada http://www.weather.gov/
live streaming from Oklahoma; http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988
Discovery Storm Chasers live; http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/storm-chasers/games-and-more/storm-tracker.htm
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under Tornado watch here in Kansas
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We're finally getting a storm here (SW Georgia)
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soon as i tuned in to the news station, A large tornado dropped.
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soon as i tuned in to the news station, A large tornado dropped.
yep; news9 are live streaming from helicopter, a massive multi vortex tornado; :pray
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Just talked with my uncle who lives in derby Kansas and the storm's went north and south of him. They are good and no damage to their property. Praying evryone else is OK.
LawnDart
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Family in Oklahoma City reported several sightings, but all clear.
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Oklahoma, massive tornado again; :pray
http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988
http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/
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Preliminary report of the Moore tornado being 2.25 miles wide. Tornadoes still on the ground in Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas right now.
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The footage on Weather Channel right now is insane. It looks like Joplin all over again.
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I watched that tornado destroy that poor town. I really dont have words to describe it. :(
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We used to go to the "midnight movies" in Moore. Good lord, that town gets slammed a lot. Surprised anyone even lives there anymore.
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The footage on Weather Channel right now is insane. It looks like Joplin all over again.
Moore has been hit in 1998,1999,2003,2010, and now 2013 by EF-4 to EF-5 tornados with the May 3rd 1999 being the most powerful ever recorded with winds at 318 mph. That storm redefined the Fujita scale to the Enhanced Fujita. Hence "EF". Todays tornado destruction is already being called worse than May 3rd 1999. No clue if any wind speeds were recorded today but it was 2 miles wide with the '99 being 1 mile wide. (width does not always equate to faster winds by the way)
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Moore has been hit in 1998,1999,2003,2010, and now 2013 by EF-4 to EF-5 tornados with the May 3rd 1999 being the most powerful ever recorded with winds at 318 mph. That storm redefined the Fujita scale to the Enhanced Fujita. Hence "EF". Todays tornado destruction is already being called worse than May 3rd 1999. No clue if any wind speeds were recorded today but it was 2 miles wide with the '99 being 1 mile wide. (width does not always equate to faster winds by the way)
I took this and reposted if you dont mind. I wasnt aware of the stats on them. I kept hearing the news man say may 3rd over and over, but was unaware.
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It's nuts Brian.
Now there's a half mile wide tornado reported south west of Joplin right now.
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Looks further south to me and looks to track south, I hope.
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The footage on Weather Channel right now is insane. It looks like Joplin all over again.
It looks even worse than Joplin, and I didn't think that was possible. :(
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It looks even worse than Joplin, and I didn't think that was possible. :(
Youtube Moore 1999 and Greensburg Kansas 2007. The power and size of these things are very hard to comprehend.
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Thanks and I have grown up with the damn things. :salute
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I have been watching a live chopper feed on one of the sat uplink/downlink transponders here on the dish outside......its terrible
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It looks like an atomic bomb went off =/
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51 reported dead already and only a few hours into the search. :frown:
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Heard the same old talk about underground storm shelters. That will last about a week, then everyone will forget all about them again until next time. Any public building should have an underground shelter big enough for +max occupancy and EVERY residence should be required to have one. I looked at the google map of Moore and saw alot of swimming pools. I hope they had alot of underground shelters.
A quick look of the blocks of houses there shows approx 1000 houses per square on the satmap. If the tornado was 1 mile wide that equals about 2 or those squares. Then multiply along the track thru the area. HUGE amount of homes completely/partially destroyed. If only 1/4 of those people were home at the time and were unprotected it could be alot of deaths.
Pray for them.
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I am shocked to the core from the images I have seen so far today. I know it is nothing to what ya'll are experiencing. You have my family's prayers and thought. A great amount of help is on the way from our state. You are and will remain in our prayers.
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I'm in Tulsa and was not hit, but I have several friends in Moore, a few of whom lost houses of relatives, and one who's niece and nephew were in the school that was destroyed. None of my people or their families hurt or missing there. My best friend's cousin was in Ramona and is still missing however. Tragic day here.
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I have friends in Moore, several of who had various relatives houses thoroughly destroyed. One friend's niece and nephew were in the school that was destroyed, but turned up later in the day at a shelter thankfully. My best friend's cousin was in Ramona, just down the road from here and is still missing. Tragic day .
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See Rule #14
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:pray :pray :pray to all families down that way, some of the photos are unimaginable
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Thoughts and prayers going out to the people in OK. I have friends/squadies that live in OK.... One lost his ranch, but is not injured. Mother nature is a cruel squeak sometimes..... Stay safe!!
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See Rule #14
A basement is underground, but from what I've read, it got flooded.
This town and the whole state is about as prepared as can be but you still only get a few minutes warning after one drops out of the sky.
No one wants to admit that we are that vulnerable, so there is always "fault finding"
The fact is that an EF5 tornado is just so freakishly powerful, safety can't be guaranteed. Not even in a storm cellar.
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Horrible disaster :frown:
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Well my cousin was in Moore and she was able to get to a storm shelter and thankfully she is safe. Now as a newly RN she has to go to work and help out all those involved, as she put it to me, it is a hard thing to see neighbors and their children come in and be hurt. They are in need of general things such as water clothes and food and shelter. I am trying to get our company to send myself and another driver there with a load of gatorade and water so we can at least help out a little.
I am sending prayers out to the family members who lost someone and especially to the young innocent children.
Ladies and gents if you have kids give them a big hug tonite and remember they could be gone in an instant.
LawnDart
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I am not a praying man, that said, I will pray to whichever god of whoever's faith for all the people in Oklahoma this evening.
The Plaza Tower's elementary school took a direct hit from the tornado that ripped through Moore Oklahoma. Children of a young age are being pulled from the rubble.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/elementary-school-moore-oklahoma-tornado_n_3308844.html?ir=Green
It may not be much, posting on a web forum, but any prayers or aid that can be sent, will be. :pray
Edit: Two Elementary schools directly impacted by the Tornado.
The tornado's AOE is measured at 2.25 miles across.
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See Rule #14
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I remember when the Twister movie came out and people asked me how I could have lived in a place like Oklahoma.
I replied, it's not like you dodge tornados while driving to work every day. You could live your whole life and die there and never see one.
Moore OK, does seem to have had more than its share, but it's pretty random. Moore could get hit again tomorrow, next year or not in 100 years or ever.
It's just something you can't plan for and you don't spend a lot of time worrying about it. I was young and usually lived in an apartment complex. Where was I going to go, if I had 10 minutes warning that a tornado would hit?
False alarms don't help the matter. If you have lived in tornado alley you know that your springtime TV watching will be constantly interrupted by watches and warnings that never affect you, but what can they do? They develop pretty quickly and by the time one is confirmed on the ground it is often too late to warn people, so they have to report that a twister could hit.
The warning system is probably now about as good as it can ever be. Sometimes you just won't have enough time to do anything about it.
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See Rule #14
« Last Edit: Today at 16:18:28 by Skuzzy »
I am sorry Skuzzy.. Yeah, I know.. Politics.. :(
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I'll have to repeat myself on the part I was saying all my prayers go to all the poor souls that were killed, and to all those who lost someone in this terrible disaster. :pray :salute
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If you would like to help the families affected by the tornadoes, I recommend The Christian Relief Fund.
They don't waste money on administration.
:salute
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See Rule #14
Seriously?
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Heard the same old talk about underground storm shelters. That will last about a week, then everyone will forget all about them again until next time. Any public building should have an underground shelter big enough for +max occupancy and EVERY residence should be required to have one. I looked at the google map of Moore and saw alot of swimming pools. I hope they had alot of underground shelters.
A quick look of the blocks of houses there shows approx 1000 houses per square on the satmap. If the tornado was 1 mile wide that equals about 2 or those squares. Then multiply along the track thru the area. HUGE amount of homes completely/partially destroyed. If only 1/4 of those people were home at the time and were unprotected it could be alot of deaths.
Pray for them.
From what I understand, most of the children that perished in the school had drowned from broken plumbing filling the space that they occupied.
Having a mandatory storm cellar may have made the death toll worse trapping even people into an enclosed space., who can really tell for sure?
Having a government dictate to me what I must build on my property is a discussion for someplace other than this BBS.
When a tornado touches down, nothing is guaranteed.
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Having a mandatory storm cellar may have made the death toll worse trapping even people into an enclosed space., who can really tell for sure?
I have no issue with a mandatory purpose built shelter in a school. I have heard reports of people being possible still trapped in their shelters in Moore but apparently the city has a system where each shelter is mapped for these situations. Not sure if it's a GPS system or just a map but either way it's pretty forward thinking.
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Death toll revised to 24, so that's something I guess.
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Death toll revised to 24, so that's something I guess.
Yep
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:pray :salute
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I have some friends vacationing here from Oklahoma City. Their house was missed and after frantic calls none of their family or friends are missing or dead. But it's kind of put a pall on their holiday.
An ordinary neighbourhood just like the one I live in.
Kind of brings it home to me.
I'm lucky to live in a place where the weather is never that violent.
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I remember when the Twister movie came out and people asked me how I could have lived in a place like Oklahoma.
I replied, it's not like you dodge tornados while driving to work every day. You could live your whole life and die there and never see one.
Moore OK, does seem to have had more than its share, but it's pretty random. Moore could get hit again tomorrow, next year or not in 100 years or ever.
It's just something you can't plan for and you don't spend a lot of time worrying about it. I was young and usually lived in an apartment complex. Where was I going to go, if I had 10 minutes warning that a tornado would hit?
False alarms don't help the matter. If you have lived in tornado alley you know that your springtime TV watching will be constantly interrupted by watches and warnings that never affect you, but what can they do? They develop pretty quickly and by the time one is confirmed on the ground it is often too late to warn people, so they have to report that a twister could hit.
The warning system is probably now about as good as it can ever be. Sometimes you just won't have enough time to do anything about it.
I lived in Abilene Tx for 4 years and we had a couple small tornados while I was there. I too lived in an apartment and during one storm I went to the small brick laundry building just for some sort of possible protection. Most down there thought the same way as you stated, "What are the odds", "You cant spend every minute worrying about something that may never happen" etc. The thing is is does happen, and in those brief moments staring at the tornado approaching knowing you have absolutely no place to hide and will likely die, the terror must be unbearable.
From what I understand, most of the children that perished in the school had drowned from broken plumbing filling the space that they occupied.
Having a mandatory storm cellar may have made the death toll worse trapping even people into an enclosed space., who can really tell for sure?
Having a government dictate to me what I must build on my property is a discussion for someplace other than this BBS.
When a tornado touches down, nothing is guaranteed.
As long as shelters are registered with the state/city with gps location and a secondary egress provided Id be willing to run the risk.
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I lived in Abilene Tx for 4 years and we had a couple small tornados while I was there. I too lived in an apartment and during one storm I went to the small brick laundry building just for some sort of possible protection. Most down there thought the same way as you stated, "What are the odds", "You cant spend every minute worrying about something that may never happen" etc. The thing is is does happen, and in those brief moments staring at the tornado approaching knowing you have absolutely no place to hide and will likely die, the terror must be unbearable.
Sure it happens, but it gets way blown out of proportion (no pun intended). Hell, you would think there were no historical buildings still standing in Oklahoma, but there are.
When I lived there, I worked in a hospital and knew that I would go to the basement in event of a tornado. I also knew that the Shrine Temple down the road from my apt had a basement, but with maybe as little as 13 minutes warning could I get there in time? Would the roads be clear or would I be sitting in my car when the storm hit?
I just don't think it's reasonable to expect there to be a shelter within 5 to 10 minutes access for nearly 1,000,000 people no matter where in the city they may find themselves at a given time.
Certainly schools should have a disaster plan and most of them have basements which usually is reasonable shelter, but in the most powerful tornados, people have been killed in purpose built storm cellars.
It's human nature not to accept that we are vulnerable, so we always look for who is to blame and why it wasn't prevented.
I suppose that's good in some ways, but sometimes, things really are out of our control
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I understand how you and alot of people feel about this. Personally I wouldnt live there without digging a hole in my yard(jackhammering if need be, and installing a sump pump with battery). I try to think of something up in New Hampshire that would compare, nothing really does, but if I neglected to shovel my roof in the winter because we rarely get enough all at once that would collapse it, and then one day we did get a huge storm and it collapsed and I survived, Id feel like a lucky idiot. Not name calling, just how I would feel personally.
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I replied, it's not like you dodge tornados while driving to work every day. You could live your whole life and die there and never see one.
Moore OK, does seem to have had more than its share, but it's pretty random. Moore could get hit again tomorrow, next year or not in 100 years or ever.
I disagree a little there Jimson. That area of Oklahoma is tornado central and for sure has a higher likelyhood of it happening than anywhere else on the planet. No, you don't dodge them on a daily basis but if you want to see one that's the place.
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I disagree a little there Jimson. That area of Oklahoma is tornado central and for sure has a higher likelyhood of it happening than anywhere else on the planet. No, you don't dodge them on a daily basis but if you want to see one that's the place.
True enough. You are certainly more likely to see one there than in Brooklyn. Still, of all my family and friends there, only one was ever directly impacted by a tornado that I know of. One of my cousins house took some damage in Midwest City in the May 3rd 1999 tornado. She wasn't there at the time. In fact, no member of my family there has ever even seen one that I have heard.
I believe I once saw a funnel forming that may have been the one that later touched down near Edmond in the mid 80's but don't know for sure.
It looked like it was going to turn into one.
I didn't live there continuously, just when I was real young and again later in the 80's.
The closest I think I ever came to a tornado was in Tucson AZ in the 70's. My mom went out and looked at the sky and then hustled us kids into the bathroom. No tornado was officially confirmed but outside our house we had a tin shed twisted completely around a telephone pole and down the road, the front wall of someone's slump block house was all but destroyed.
If I still lived in OK and had the means, I might have a shelter built. With all due respect to tornado victims, I would likely be outside trying to get a look at it, since I always wanted to see one and never did, but I would still try to jump in the shelter before it got too close.
My grandmothers house had one in the back yard. As a kid, I remember, we would go in it during tornado warnings, but she never would.
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Ghi have you driven through a tornado warning yet?
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If I still lived in OK and had the means, I might have a shelter built. With all due respect to tornado victims, I would likely be outside trying to get a look at it, since I always wanted to see one and never did, but I would still try to jump in the shelter before it got too close.
Oh yeah, that's just human nature. I've seen 8 in person to this point with roughly half a dozen distinct funnels that did not touch down. Only 4 of the 8 were when I was storm chasing.
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I've seen a few at different times living here for the last 26 or so years. Fascinating and scary all at once.
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I've seen 2 while on the highway here, aside from that I've just seen a funnel cloud or two every few years.
Tornado watches are so common that nobody I know pays them any attention.
Tornado warning is issued near any tornado that's touched down and been spotted by a state trooper.
The last one I went through came within 2 blocks of me after dark. It ripped the hell out of one street for 3 miles. The 2 car dealerships had car piles randomly around the lots near retaining walls. There is no tornado proofing an above ground structure, I don't care what anyone says.
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Ive personally been in 3. Growing up in the south (Atlanta area), small tornados are something that is common around there.
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Tornado warning is issued near any tornado that's touched down and been spotted by a state trooper.
I thought weather radar can indicate a possible tornado and cause a Tornado Warning to be issued as well?
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I thought weather radar can indicate a possible tornado and cause a Tornado Warning to be issued as well?
Correct. Radar indicated and the weather service relies on trained spotters/chasers to help confirm. Newer radars can also pick up "debris balls" that also indicate it's on the ground.
Anyone can become a trained spotter and contibute through sources like http://www.spotternetwork.org/ or Skywarn.
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I thought weather radar can indicate a possible tornado and cause a Tornado Warning to be issued as well?
Warnings will be issued if the storm itself is rotating. It doesnt have to have a hook echo for the warning to be issued.
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I thought weather radar can indicate a possible tornado and cause a Tornado Warning to be issued as well?
Here it's not a tornado warning until a pair of state certified eyes have confirmed it has touched the ground. Or if they happen at night they can be declared the following day based on how it tore things up.
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Thanks. Was curious on that due to yesterday one of the local news stations had their meteorologist on-air with the radar feed as he was trying to find any hints of a tornado after a warning was issued in York County, Virginia.
I had actually started looking into the new radars the weather service had. I just didn't know it could see cloud velocities and wind shear. I wonder if there is a site you could see that information instead of just how heavy the rain is falling. :headscratch:
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Ghi have you driven through a tornado warning yet?
Yep , warnings many times , been in Joplin,Mo 2 years ago during tornado , ;i seen shelf clouds also but only one on the ground ,years ago driving on I-80 around North Plate ,Nebraska. I'm a trucker contractor for Celadon for 12 years , we are pulling mostly NAFTA freight from Canada to Texas terminals Laredo/ Waxahacie and back , along tornado alley, right now i'm on I-30 in AR. I'm trying to stay away from warning zones, or park it; this high trailers are vulnerable and it took me 4 years to pay 133k$ for my truck. This days it's easy to avoid tornadoes with great mobile internet coverage , but as Maddafinga mentioned above tornadoes are "fascinating and scary" .
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Here it's not a tornado warning until a pair of state certified eyes have confirmed it has touched the ground. Or if they happen at night they can be declared the following day based on how it tore things up.
Iowa has Skywarn as well but I'm not sure it's a state certification. And does Iowa not issue tornado warnings at night?