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Title: Refuel Pad
Post by: earl1937 on May 23, 2013, 03:58:46 PM
 :airplane: I know that this has been discussed to some extent in the past, but, How about a "refuel only" pad located at vehicle bases? No ammo, just fuel! many, many pilots fly with 25 and 50% fuel loads when defending or attacking and sometimes get low on fuel, but still have ords or ammo left. Would this be a good idea or a bad one. I am still troubled that a M3 can drop a box of vehicle supplies with in 600 yds and it repairs gun turrets, refuels, reload ammo and etc, but a fighter has to RTB to nearest friendly base for rearm and refuel.
Guess I am torn between wanting more realism in game, but then I realize this is a "video" game! LOL
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: coombz on May 23, 2013, 04:05:28 PM
I think the general opinion is that is already 'gamey' enough allowing 25% fuel loadouts, without encouraging it even further.
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: Zacherof on May 23, 2013, 04:11:47 PM
Next time take more fuel,or a different plane entirely.
Proem solved. And if you practise fuel management I.E. Also pY attention to how far away your base is and figure out a bingo fuel point with some cushion.
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: muzik on May 23, 2013, 05:13:31 PM
Next time take more fuel,or a different plane entirely.
Proem solved. And if you practise fuel management I.E. Also pY attention to how far away your base is and figure out a bingo fuel point with some cushion.

Do you realize earl was a career pilot?

You sound like you are 12 and though most of your posts seem fairly innocuous, you are starting to sound more and more condescending and like you know more than you do.

:airplane: I know that this has been discussed to some extent in the past, but, How about a "refuel only" pad located at vehicle bases?

I agree with coombz. Real life would have allowed for some emergency fields, but in AH that would be too easily gamed.

The off base refueling idea discussed a while back that would allow for players to take fuel out to a downed aircraft would be the most reasonable solution.
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: gyrene81 on May 23, 2013, 05:52:28 PM
if someone can show where combat pilots made a habit of taking off with less than a full load of fuel, into combat situations at times other than when refueling wasn't possible due to emergency scramble or lack of fuel...then sure, good idea.
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: Zacherof on May 23, 2013, 06:48:52 PM
Muzik I know a shotload off stuff for someone my age. My post was to poke fun(and know I didn't know that he was a pilot)  Ofcourse here we go again calling the young ones idiots like they did 8 years ago. Your 15? Oh you can possibly know a thing regarding aeroplanes. 

Well I'm sorry prissy pants. Before I even heard of Aces high I would barrow every book related to the air wAr I.
Ww2. I've done countless reports, essays, etc etc.

And prior to getting an account I printed out everythin I could possily get my hands on regarding ACM and plane performance to round ballistics.

I've spent countless night reading and watching old films, and tv shows.
So if anything, what I say/post reflects on my knowlegde.
Yeah there's a bunch of stuff to still learn and every week I learn something new.
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 23, 2013, 07:12:11 PM
:airplane: I know that this has been discussed to some extent in the past, but, How about a "refuel only" pad located at vehicle bases? No ammo, just fuel! many, many pilots fly with 25 and 50% fuel loads when defending or attacking and sometimes get low on fuel, but still have ords or ammo left. Would this be a good idea or a bad one. I am still troubled that a M3 can drop a box of vehicle supplies with in 600 yds and it repairs gun turrets, refuels, reload ammo and etc, but a fighter has to RTB to nearest friendly base for rearm and refuel.
Guess I am torn between wanting more realism in game, but then I realize this is a "video" game! LOL

Vehicle depots didn't have runways, equipment or the correct fuel to refuel airplanes.  I don't see why V bases should have that ability in game when it wasn't available in real life.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: muzik on May 23, 2013, 09:44:09 PM
I'm 43 junior, not 15. And apparently I nailed your age pretty closely.

As much as many of us are glad to see your interest in the game, you are still a kid and you would do well to work on developing your maturity anywhere you find yourself, internet or not.

I did not call you an idiot. I told you EXACTLY what I thought, you sound like you are 12 and you are condescending. Not only is it disrespectful, it made you look like a dummy, which judging from some of your posts, I did not take you for.

You are dealing with a large population of adults here, not your school buddies. It is disrespectful to go around talking down to people, it's just dumb when you don't even know for sure who you are talking to.

Many on this forum are a bad examples. I have lost my patience with some of the more arrogant trolls on this forum many times. Not saying it's right, but I wait until I'm fired on first. Earl is a good example, and there are many others. Take this for friendly advice, be careful who you emulate, ask questions first/shoot later, and don't let your head get too big.

Now go take out the trash~!
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: BluBerry on May 23, 2013, 10:28:13 PM
The off base refueling idea discussed a while back that would allow for players to take fuel out to a downed aircraft would be the most reasonable solution.

I think that would be cool.. and shooting fuel trucks would be fun
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: Zacherof on May 24, 2013, 01:32:53 AM
You should take your own advice. "know who your talking to" sound familiar?

Muzik, back off now. I am not a kid. You don't know me so don't be so fast to judge. A kid doesn't just join the military with a career in mind.  A kid doesn't get up at 3am work 16 hours, and repeat for weeks, or bust concreat when your finger That has been sliced to the bone and cause pain and
bleeding profusely.  A kid doesn't just have sex.

I've played this game for since AH became Ah2. 8 years I've played. 2 of those I was mocked and cast aside like a leper. Granted respect is earned not given but still. The game is not what it used to be.

I am no longer skullrat, the noob who fly a goon when someone asks for troops.

And when in game I have a good reputation(don't ask the Jokers) I fight against just about any odds. I never run. I egreess to gain an advantage.

So with all due respect sir back off.  
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: LCADolby on May 24, 2013, 03:05:07 AM
Looks more like Zach didn't read the OP fully before typing his first post, both him and Musik are looking like a couple of donkeys right about now.  :lol

Let me get my popcorn.
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: danny76 on May 24, 2013, 05:14:51 AM
Looks more like Zach didn't read the OP fully before typing his first post, both him and Musik are looking like a couple of donkeys right about now.  :lol

Let me get my popcorn.

Yep. This.

Also being 43,15 or 75 is no guarantee of wisdom or maturity.  :old:
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: Butcher on May 24, 2013, 08:32:33 AM
Popcorn time!

And for the Ops question - see AkAk
-1
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: Zacherof on May 24, 2013, 08:44:26 AM
Yep. This.

Also being 43,15 or 75 is no guarantee of wisdom or maturity.  :old:

bah I'm 20! Btw kettle or butter? ;)

and I'm not trying to be wise. I'm just a player with fingers in multiple pies  :devil
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: SmokinLoon on May 24, 2013, 08:49:36 AM
I think the general opinion is that is already 'gamey' enough allowing 25% fuel loadouts, without encouraging it even further.

ding ding.

I say go the other way and forbid DT's unless %100 is taken.  AND... no less than %50 to begin with.  Planes simply did not up with less than %100 in the real deal.  The only questionable case I can find in my grandfathers flight logs is when he ferried B17's from AZ to CA prior to being deployed to Hickam in middle '43.  Otherwise... each and every aircraft he upped had %100 fuel.  That goes for the C47's, bombers, and various other cargo planes he flew around the south PTO.

Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: 5PointOh on May 24, 2013, 09:59:13 AM
bah I'm 20! Btw kettle or butter? ;)

and I'm not trying to be wise. I'm just a player with fingers in multiple pies  :devil
No offense Zacherof, but you still have a lot of growing up to do.  I've read many of your recent post or threads, my first impression has been that you are a very young adult. I would no expect many 20 years to come onto a forum and write "A kid does not have sex", among other things in your previous post in this thread. I'm sure your a very nice young man, but think before you post. Develop sentence structure and a positive attitude and constructive critism vs. a quick jab or rude comment. It will go a long way with the community as far a intellectual respect, along with pixel pilot respect. Just my .02 cents.

As for the OP, I would say no.  As many times as I've wished for an extra fuel spot it would get rather gamey.  We already have NASCAR pit stop rearm pads. 
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: Butcher on May 24, 2013, 10:04:09 AM
As for the OP, I would say no.  As many times as I've wished for an extra fuel spot it would get rather gamey.  We already have NASCAR pit stop rearm pads. 

Exactly, if you can't make it to the nearest AF to rearm - then you should readjust your flying and learn to manage fuel.

In the last 3 sorties I've literally landed with less then 5% of my total fuel remaining - I could of rearmed - but most of the time I was damaged enough its not worth it.
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: cohofly on May 24, 2013, 10:25:14 AM
Sorry, as much as I would like a "refuel/re arm" at V-bases I give this one a -1 for reason stated above. I tower at V-bases when I have to. Plane saved, perkies saved and no death against, isnt this reward enough?????
Just my 2 pennies.
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: Zacherof on May 24, 2013, 10:59:57 AM
Maybe I was wrong. And I'll admit it. But I resent bein calle a child. I act childish for a reason.  (at the exslence if my reputation, but the onlynreputation worth worrying about is in game.

And I need to stop spamming my social networks when I a wee bit drunk. Poor facebook.  :bolt:
 :neener:



Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: gyrene81 on May 24, 2013, 11:19:52 AM
Maybe I was wrong. And I'll admit it. But I resent bein calle a child. I act childish for a reason.  (at the exslence if my reputation, but the onlynreputation worth worrying about is in game.

And I need to stop spamming my social networks when I a wee bit drunk. Poor facebook.  :bolt:

:neener:
if that is an indication of the stuff you put on your facebook, don't worry, no one will understand what you posted anyway...  :aok


hey, don't look at me, you're making it too easy...   :devil
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: muzik on May 24, 2013, 11:32:47 AM
Oh geez

Maybe I was wrong. And I'll admit it.

My intent was to give you a little advice because I could see a generally good KID straying into some questionable habits. Not surprisingly your youthful ego got bruised. It was a gamble that I now regret.

You were wrong and you can continue to be YOU for the rest of your days, it's no skin off me. You admit it? That's a step in the right direction, but you followed it up with this gibberish which I struggle to make sense of...

But I resent bein calle a child. I act childish for a reason.  (at the exslence if my reputation, but the onlynreputation worth worrying about is in game.

And I need to stop spamming my social networks when I a wee bit drunk. Poor facebook.  :bolt:
 :neener:


If you act like a child on purpose, you better get used to being called a child. Doing man things doesn't make you a man. And if you actually believe the only reputation worth worrying about is in game, you have a rude awakening coming some day!


looking like a couple of donkeys right about now.  :lol

Let me get my popcorn.

You been looking at my groin again. Bring my beer while your at it @#$#
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: Zacherof on May 24, 2013, 12:10:10 PM
 :old: trolling is my business and business is good :rock
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: LCADolby on May 24, 2013, 12:29:24 PM
You been looking at my groin again. Bring my beer while your at it @#$#

Musik, there is nothing down there, but there is a protrusion on your forehead.

Considering your age, when do you plan on acting it?
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: Zacherof on May 24, 2013, 12:42:44 PM
Musik, there is nothing down there, but there is a protrusion on you're forehead.

Considering your age, when do you plan on acting it?

:rofl
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: muzik on May 24, 2013, 02:13:15 PM
Musik, there is nothing down there, but there is a protrusion on your forehead.

Considering your age, when do you plan on acting it?


Sweety, you can't see it when it's in... nevermind.  ZIP

Anyway Doll, who are you? And what slap in the face did I give you to deserve suffering your assumed intellect in a dispute that had nothing to do with you? Let's hear it ankle humper.
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: LCADolby on May 24, 2013, 03:51:20 PM
Sweety, you can't see it when it's in... nevermind.  ZIP

Anyway Doll, who are you? And what slap in the face did I give you to deserve suffering your assumed intellect in a dispute that had nothing to do with you? Let's hear it ankle humper.

I'm homophobic.
Title: Re: Refuel Pad
Post by: earl1937 on May 24, 2013, 04:16:41 PM
if someone can show where combat pilots made a habit of taking off with less than a full load of fuel, into combat situations at times other than when refueling wasn't possible due to emergency scramble or lack of fuel...then sure, good idea.
Good reply! As a point of information, The standard pratice for fuel loads when like this: flight time to destination, flight time to alternate, plus :45 min reserve. As far as fighter aircraft, very seldom was aircraft loaded to 100%, unless it was a "ferry" flight somewhere. The fighter pilot, in addition to keeping the bird right side up, was the navigator, engineer, gunner, communicator and eyes in the sky. Sure, the guys in 51D's and 47's had 100% fuel, plus 2, 75 gallon drops when escorting allied aircraft deep into Germany. They had to consider the round trip flight time, "Z" pattern flying staying with the bombers, engageing German fighters, not to mention the terriable weather sometimes back in England. The same was true for the guys in the South Pacific, because again, the distances involoved in mission planning and etc. Can't speak for the Navy guys, maybe someone can, but it made no sense to have a 100% fuel load, if they were "combat air patrol" over fleet or land base. The reason for this is simple, all aircraft, as it burns fuel, the C.G. moves to the rear and the aircraft is more manuvable with a rear C.G. than a forward C.G. That is why most people in AH carry 25 or 50%, plus drops when flying on fighter sweeps or just plain ole "furballing".
As far as the post I made, I was just pointing out what the GV guys can do, which still makes no sense about the carton of vehicle supplies!