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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Mrkillu2 on May 25, 2013, 12:53:21 AM
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From first impressions around 4-5 years ago when i first flew the thing.....i thought meh :| nothing to really be impressed with. But as of these past couple of months flying the A8 with Josh(in the correct way and not trying to ho everything ;) has changed my perspective. Four words. It is a blast.
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It is a great plane if it is kept fast and it is flown on it's own terms. The 190A-8 has an amazing ability to retain E and catch many aircraft if it has the chance to convert that E in to equal or slightly greater speed than the target it is pouncing on. Obviously, it has one of the most deadly gun packages in the game, few can take a burst of 30mm, 20mm, and 13mm and survive. Heck, many fly the 190A-8 forgetting that it has the ability to take quad 20mm and therefore have a much more accurate and yet still very deadly monster on their hands.
The 190A-8 has its hands tied in more than one way though, it simply can not turn at medium to low speeds and that coupled with a lackluster top speed (w/o WEP and E) equal a glaring disadvantage against more fighters. There is a reason it is not a crutch plane like the P51D, La7, Spit16, or George (or even the F4Ux). I like it, I use it to hunt bombers and it is also my #1 reserve plane to fall back to if no ords are available. If ords are available I take the 190F-8. ;)
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she's more of a slash/snapshot b-n-z fighter. (in fighter mode, it rocks as a ground atteck platform too) ull' want alt on ur enemys if possible, if goin long distances burn 20-30% of ur aft an forward tanks on takeoff then goto ur dt. then when ur at alt an rdy to fight an ditch ur tank ur not as hvy from havin full internal tanks. keep ur speed up, take a shot at a trgt then extend an if poss climb. to keep ur E an get some alt back. try to never get intoa turn fight, esp. to the right. an in a scissor, it seems to on give u 1, 2 if ur lucky, chances to get a shot off, (w/ most planes). u wanna use ur rollrate to try to get the overshoot w/ enemy on ur 6, sometimes it works, other times....tower. but not many options if being chased by a pony or spit etc. its a ok buff hunter, an as far as whether to use 4x20mm's or 2x20mm's w/ 2x30mm's in fighter mode (ull want the 30mm's buff huntin) but going after fighters, ive found after usin it daily an have for yrs, both rock. since most of ur shots r gonna be snapshots, w/ next to no time to debate what ur gonna do, its seems more of a "what works for ur preference in gun conv's for fast snapshots" than a "hey, can someone tell me how to set my guns" hopin that others pref's will make it to where u kill like they do. this is all imo an what it seems to me from flyin it alot, im no know-it-all. but if ur on the knight side in the late war areana, most of the time early evenig central time, we wing inthe A8 alot an be happy to have ya fly along w/ us. we do both attack and fighter runs.
<<S>> hope this helps some, like i said, im no expert, but do have quite some time in the A8
cya in the skies an goodluck
Qcarech
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4 words:
i cant fly it.
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I've had moments in the plane where I'm untouchable, and others where I couldn't kill a 110 missing half its wing.
If you ask me, a lot of it depends on the weight at which you engage targets. If you're carrying 75% and a DT, and drop the tank to engage targets, you're not going to fight nearly so well as if you had been carrying 100%, a bomb, and engaged on RTB.
Also, the scissors don't work quite as well, since you just can't turn at even medium speeds. Effectively, all you're doing is a variation on a rolling defense, which can still be usefull. You'll find yourself using the roll as a tool to adjust your lift vector for a shot far more than as a tool to attain a shot. Still, don't be afraid to use the roll offensively and defensively, just be cognizant of the plane's limits.
Fight vertically, since it still retains some of the 190s' good climb rate when light(ish), and has high mass (and thus higher kinetic energy to convert into potential energy). The guns are also well suited to BnZ fighting, since they're not as accurate but very damaging, and you'll be firing against a larger target.
Finally, if the fight starts to go sour, the most intelligent tactical move you can make would be to run when you see a chance. It just can't fight an uphill battle; its a great plane, just not for that specific job.
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question, Jager:
if you have the starting speed of 300mph, which one will go higher "straight up", a brewster/109E/Spit1 or a 262/P38/Jug?
Or another, if you throw out a 10lbs stone and a beer bottle from the window, which one is going to hit the ground sooner?
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question, Jager:
if you have the starting speed of 300mph, which one will go higher "straight up", a brewster/109E/Spit1 or a 262/P38/Jug?
Or another, if you throw out a 10lbs stone and a beer bottle from the window, which one is going to hit the ground sooner?
You got the question wrong - what matters is not "who", it is "by how much".
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Sir, then i got to answer that question for you.
The energy of the speed: E=m*v^2
The energy of the height: E=m*g*h
so
m*v^2=m*g*h
simpyfy with m
v^2=g*h
and thats how high the plane will go straight up, from the given speed. I have ignored the factor of the engine power though, a K-4 with full power will go a little bit higher than (lets say) a Boston, but with the prop only windmilling, they are all the same.
Its only simple physics ;)
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Sir, then i got to answer that question for you.
The energy of the speed: E=m*v^2
The energy of the height: E=m*g*h
so
m*v^2=m*g*h
simpyfy with m
v^2=g*h
and thats how high the plane will go straight up, from the given speed. I have ignored the factor of the engine power though, a K-4 with full power will go a little bit higher than (lets say) a Boston, but with the prop only windmilling, they are all the same.
Its only simple physics ;)
First, you forgot the drag, which will affect who pulls ahead in the early stages of the zoom and becomes increasingly important to the final height as the initial speed increases.
Second, planes do zoom with power on and it makes a big difference. It actually makes a huge difference to how the zoom develops with time. What is better? to zoom 100 feet higher or to hang in there pointed upwards for 2 seconds more?
Third, kinetic energy is E=0.5*m*v^2
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-I did not forgot drag, but every single aircraft has drag, what isnt as high under 200mph that it would make any noticable difference.
-Every plane has an engine, and thrust me, even in a k4 vs brewster contest, what is about to be the most extreme matchup in AH, the difference would be under 200feet, from 300mph . What ist as much as im talking about around 5000feet. This will not save your life in a straight zoom climb as it would save you in a rope - but in the rope, the mass alone doesnt mean anything.
-There i made a mistake, but it doesnt really affect the outcome. The mass can be taken out from the equation in the same way.
If you dont belive me, test it. I did. Also, Jager's point was that the 190's higher mass might save it in a straight zoom climb - it wont. Fact.
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I used to hate it every time I took it up. I thought it was just too slow, too heavy, and could not turn with a B17. Then something got me thinking of flying it again. I had remembered I hated flying the A8 so much but I thought "What the heck, 8th times the charm." So far, 8th time has been the charm! I am really enjoying it whenever I take it up! If you don't weigh the plane down with all the unnecessary ammo with the extra 20's or 30's, keep it as light as you can, then the A8 is quite a lethal dogfighter!
I see the A5 and A8 as the 190 versions of the 109G2 and G6. Do you want a quicker and more nimble version? Or, do you want to sacrifice some of that quickness and maneuverability for better guns?
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-I did not forgot drag, but every single aircraft has drag, what isnt as high under 200mph that it would make any noticable difference.
-Every plane has an engine, and thrust me, even in a k4 vs brewster contest, what is about to be the most extreme matchup in AH, the difference would be under 200feet, from 300mph . What ist as much as im talking about around 5000feet. This will not save your life in a straight zoom climb as it would save you in a rope - but in the rope, the mass alone doesnt mean anything.
-There i made a mistake, but it doesnt really affect the outcome. The mass can be taken out from the equation in the same way.
If you dont belive me, test it. I did. Also, Jager's point was that the 190's higher mass might save it in a straight zoom climb - it wont. Fact.
That was exactly my point when I said that the question was "by how much" and not "who" zooms higher - the difference is small. I was under the impression that you were claiming otherwise - read you wrong.
There is a difference in how the planes behave in the zoom, especially near the apex. Light planes with a decent power loading will zoom about as high, but will spend a longer time in the final stages of the zoom. Heavier planes (or the same plane with more internal weight) will reach the apex quicker (though not much higher if at all) and start to fall back when the light plane is still clawing for his last few feet. From the POV of the heavier plane, he sees the zeke/N1K/whatever still pointed up and closing the distance / out-zooming him, while in practice the light plane is almost suspended and it is the heavy plane that is falling back.
Stall recovery also makes a difference because in some planes you can really ride them up till they start falling tail-forward, while others will enter a nasty spin if you try that.
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Ahhh roger that, my fail :lol
It actually shukes when i cant write down exactly what i think :uhoh
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Difference with 2*30mm and quad 20mm's is that 30mm kills buffs with snapshots, but with quad 20mm you need 'time on target', 90% of my b24/b17 buff kills are high or low 11-1 o'clock attacks, only a few good gunners can smoke your engine from high/low HO. against Lancs you go under them and kill them pulling up out of reach from rear gunner. Its much harder to kill B24s/b17s with HO in one go with twin 20mm's.
I find 20mms better against fighter targets, since you can carry many more outer guns of the 20mms than the 30mms,when your 60 or so 30mms are gone you only carry dead weight.
Why we don't have the ability to shoot only with 30mm is beyond me. IRL they could.
On the defensive Only 51's and la7 can follow you at 600mph+ dives (I don't know about Tempests, so I'm not sure about them).
La7, can really do everything an A8 can do except losing speed fast, fortunately most la7 drivers are inexperienced enough to overshoot/ lose vis in you in a rolling scissor.
I never ever take the drop tank, reducing RPM / throttle is enough to get you where you want it to (not long escort), and drop tanks mounting slow you down by some mph enough to be equal instead of outdistance ki84 and spit16 after a short dive, and Wep has longer time in the A8.
DT/bomb mount makes A8 more stable, but i want the plane to be unstable enough to do the last resort defensive move, max sudden pull-up at 250-300 Mph while reducing throttle to idle, and plane suddenly stop flying, and plane automagically do a half-roll losing 100-150mph and 50 to 100 feet of altitude, countered after with rudder/full throttle.
A8 can be very good combo with a fast turning plane like the Mosquito.
Either the A8 catch the Con in a dive, and hte Mossie finish them turning, or the Mossie slow them down and the A8 snapshot them.
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I see the A5 and A8 as the 190 versions of the 109G2 and G6. Do you want a quicker and more nimble version? Or, do you want to sacrifice some of that quickness and maneuverability for better guns?
I could not agree more. To that end I would choose the A5. It seems to me that whether they are 30's or 50's, door knockers are still just that, door knockers. I fly a G2 some 95% of the time
and, until just recently, seal the deal with a single 20mm. It seems the only times I use the mg's are in attempt to cause a fleeing aircraft to change course so that I may have a chance to cut
his turn and catch up. But, as I'm sure you know, few will take the bait. Here recently however, I have been making use of the gun pods with mixed success and mixed emotions. Which begs the
question.. As a fellow 109 driver and enthusiast, how do you feel about taking the gun pods? Seeing as how you have in excess of 160 kills in an f4, and what history would confirm, I guess I
should already know the answer.. But had to ask. :)
PS. It's not my intention to hijack or derail this thread. So, if you care to divulge you could simply pm me.
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IMO, it's not worth it. High drag, less ammunition, convergence issues, weight gain....
And all for some more firepower that isn't necessary. If your issue is a low volume of fire messing with your head, then there is reason. It's just not as beneficial taken all in all.
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IMO, it's not worth it. High drag, less ammunition, convergence issues, weight gain....
And all for some more firepower that isn't necessary. If your issue is a low volume of fire messing with your head, then there is reason. It's just not as beneficial taken all in all.
Its alright to take gondolas, in a sense if you can make every snapshot count and get out of danger then they are acceptable. I've flown many times in a 109 in a furball with gondolas. However if you get caught, i.e co-alt spitfire, you are toast as the gondolas were made to give 109s extra firepower against bombers - pretty much taking away all advantages a 109 has against the fighters it was up against.
It has its advantages and disadvantages - overall its not worth it in the long run if you want to learn the 109 - if not improve your aim, gondolas give to much false hope.
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When I take a 109 up, the gondolas only accompany me if I'm hunting bombers or pounding dirt. Otherwise, the 109's dance a lot better without the gondolas in a knife fight.
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30mm A8 gun package just seems wrong to me. Not historically speaking... it just isn't effective for me. I think the ability to fire all 3 gun types independently would help tremendously.
I'm not a 190 fan really, but I am starting to like the 152 in the right situations.
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I agree, at least where historical. The biggest issue for me is the 410's MK 103s.
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30mm A8 gun package just seems wrong to me. Not historically speaking... it just isn't effective for me. I think the ability to fire all 3 gun types independently would help tremendously.
Actually the FW's had the mg's and inboard guns on 1 trigger and the outboard guns on another. This is how I wish HTC had it modeled, primary to fire mg and 20mm secondary to fire outboard guns!
:salute
PS: I don't recall offhand how the 410 was setup but I do remember they added a firring button for certain loadouts , maybe the rockets.
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Actually the FW's had the mg's and inboard guns on 1 trigger and the outboard guns on another. This is how I wish HTC had it modeled, primary to fire mg and 20mm secondary to fire outboard guns!
:salute
PS: I don't recall offhand how the 410 was setup but I do remember they added a firring button for certain loadouts , maybe the rockets.
I think the 410 is similar when all those gun types are mixed... I'm not certain though.
I just prefer to shoot 30's on their own so I can do a specific type of fussing when I miss. :)
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^^^ that!
Typhoons don't have the extra 13mm machine guns, so they can have two convergence settings for 20mms... close and far, each fired separately.
190s get a penalty for having extra 13mm machine guns! boo...
Extra trigger to fire all three separately...
or the ability to pair the inner 20mms with the 13mm mgs on the first trigger, so we would have the outer 20mms (or outer 30mms) fired on the separate second trigger...?
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That would be cool
+1 :aok
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I think the ability to fire all 3 gun types independently would help tremendously.
This^^
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This^^
Didnt think that was historically accurate. The 190x had 2 triggers: primary and secondary???
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If you are hunting buffs either the A8 or 152. If you want to mess with fighters the A5. If you aren't sure, which may cause you to run like h***, the Dora.
The 152 is faster and flies better up high than the A8. The A8 has better guns than the 152, without a doubt flies fast enough and overall a great buff killer. As for which bird will do better when you get jumped by the escorts, I'll leave that to the aficionados. I believe the A8 is more robust and will take damage better than the 152. She also has a better roll rate, and I sense handles compression much better than the 152. With that long tail and nose the 152 seems as stick at high speeds as the 109 does. The A8 will let you tear her wings off in high speed. Also, no nasty tail/slide stall though I learned how to get out of that pretty rapidly. Sadly, in one sortie I had to get out of that tail/slide stall twice!
I don't seek out buffs, but instead feast on their escorts. My A5 is a pretty sexy bird that does everything I ask of her.
Boo
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What is more responsive: 190A8 with smallest gun pkg (20mm\13mm) or 190F8?
Thanks. :salute
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190A8. The F8 is uparmored over the base A8, and I think just carries a bit more in the way of equipment as well.
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ThHistorically, 190s pwnt alle das allied arse, if pilot wasn't a noob replacement!
A russian ace, in interview said that "because he is patriotic, he has to say la was better."
Yeah I need to find the article.
In Air Warrior 2 and 3, they had 190a4, a6, a8, d9.
A6 wasn't the fastest plane, but it was faster than most, but it could turn fite with the best of them at any speed.
A6 had 13mm's on nose, 20mm's in wings near engine, and no outer guns.
This was the late war fast yet could turn n burn jack of all trades 190, was my favorite...
D9 was about same as here, a very fast(est) brick.
A8 was the bomber interceptor
Wikipedia "list of flying aces ww2"
Not all of those guys were 109 pilots.
Walter Nowotny for example, choir boy doing God's work, pwning!
He was a fighter, his scores / flights reflect.
Dead at only 23yrs old, in a 262 after kicking arse and taking names!
He took a year off to be a trainer...
Was highest scorer at his peek at the time.
I think hans joachim had him beat for kills in a day... not sure.
Gunther Rall said "but the serious kills in a day were done by the 190"
The triggers, I heard, for a8, were nose 13s and inner 20s on same trigger, is what I've heard...
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ThHistorically, 190s pwnt alle das allied arse, if pilot wasn't a noob replacement!
A russian ace, in interview said that "because he is patriotic, he has to say la was better."
Yeah I need to find the article.
In Air Warrior 2 and 3, they had 190a4, a6, a8, d9.
A6 wasn't the fastest plane, but it was faster than most, but it could turn fite with the best of them at any speed.
A6 had 13mm's on nose, 20mm's in wings near engine, and no outer guns.
This was the late war fast yet could turn n burn jack of all trades 190, was my favorite...
D9 was about same as here, a very fast(est) brick.
A8 was the bomber interceptor
Wikipedia "list of flying aces ww2"
Not all of those guys were 109 pilots.
Walter Nowotny for example, choir boy doing God's work, pwning!
He was a fighter, his scores / flights reflect.
Dead at only 23yrs old, in a 262 after kicking arse and taking names!
He took a year off to be a trainer...
Was highest scorer at his peek at the time.
I think hans joachim had him beat for kills in a day... not sure.
Gunther Rall said "but the serious kills in a day were done by the 190"
The triggers, I heard, for a8, were nose 13s and inner 20s on same trigger, is what I've heard...
This may be the most asinine comment I've ever seen in AH.
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Didnt think that was historically accurate. The 190x had 2 triggers: primary and secondary???
After doing some reading I've found that the FW indeed had the cowl and inboard guns on 1 trigger and arming system and the outboard weapons used a second triggure and arming system. The Aircrafts battery could hand the load of arming all the weapons at the same time and the pilot was told to wait atleast 3 seconds before arming the secondary guns.
Interesting they had to add an optional panel and another trigger if the 190 was to be equipped with bombs.
On a side note the FW had electrically activated flaps with only 3 positions,down,takeoff and flight. It did however have electrical horizontal stab that could be trimmed by the pilot.
When I have the time I'll look into the 410 but I'd assume it worked in a similar fashion.
:salute
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Electrical elevators too? new to me, I'll buy it! Anyways, long time re-run documentary on tv said Kurt Tank (designer) built 190 to be light and strong, keeping components simple so easy to work on and maintain. Also, I thought the main wings were connected together and then put under the plane?
Surprisingly, when i'm doing my high speed stuff, 190 can snap the wing tips of both wings at same time! Strong wings shouldn't do that!
I think we get this bad property on the 190 because of just one film out there that the left wingtip of a 190 getting shot off, and the pilot bails out, u saw it on tv long ago many times!
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190's are lame. . .that is coming from a guy in a German steel squad. :rolleyes:
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190's are lame. . .that is coming from a guy in a German steel squad. :rolleyes:
:huh
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190's are lame. . .that is coming from a guy in a German steel squad. :rolleyes:
Flown right the 190 owns everything. What you're saying is you don't know how to fly German Iron.
Boo
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Flown right the 190 owns everything.
You don't think this is a slight exaggeration? ;)
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Flown right the 190 owns everything.
When you have enough E, anything can kill everything. Real skill comes out when you dont hold all the cards.
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Flown right the 190 owns everything. What you're saying is you don't know how to fly German Iron.
Boo
Because the quoted red text is true of almost any fighter in the game the quoted yellow text is literally meaningless.
For example, an Fw190A-5 flown right will have its tail feathers handed to it by a Spitfire Mk XIV or Bf109K-4 that is flown right.
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I wish the 30mm had their own trigger. But Primary in a 190 is the maching guns. Secondary is all the cannons. If I take the 2x30mm, when I pull the secondary trigger button, I'm firing the 2x30mm and the 2x20mm at the same time. the bullistics are different enough that they won't both hit the target unless I'm at very plase range. If I'm in that close and landing both 30mms I really don't need the 20mm so they are wasted. If I'm using the 20mm in a lead turn where they reach out little further than the 30mm, I'm waiting all the 30mms.
If in Real life they were wired this way, then so be it. But If there was a way to fire 30mm and 20mm separately, then I'd like to be able to set th eplane up that way.
A8s are great at diving on targets...Buffs, furballs. GV and ground objects. When used in that way they pack quite a punch.
However, It will lose a 1v1 vs almost everyplane in the game because it may be the worst turning plane in the game. Like all 190s it has some snap move tricks, but those moves require a complete E-dump, leaving you helpless if you miss, or if there are multiple bandits around. You will see a lot of Head On shots from 190-A8. Some will blame that on Noob pilots, but I think it's because it turns so pourly, has such devestating Firepower, and high toughness that it is probably the planes best chance to get a kill.
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Flown right the 190 owns everything. What you're saying is you don't know how to fly German Iron.
Boo
. . . . . . :rolleyes:
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After doing some reading I've found that the FW indeed had the cowl and inboard guns on 1 trigger and arming system and the outboard weapons used a second triggure and arming system. The Aircrafts battery could hand the load of arming all the weapons at the same time and the pilot was told to wait atleast 3 seconds before arming the secondary guns.
Interesting they had to add an optional panel and another trigger if the 190 was to be equipped with bombs.
190a8 weapons info from a technical manual i have a copy of...
190a8 weapons info pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/405468/AH%20Stuff/190a8%20weapons.pdf)
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How the 190 community views the rest of the world. :airplane: (190) then :ahand (everything else)
Like I've said before, there are two types of planes 190s and targets. Just say'n.... :neener: :old:
Boo
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190's are lame. . .that is coming from a guy in a German steel squad. :rolleyes:
You have much to learn...German iron.
You like British planes anyway...no?
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Electrical elevators too? new to me...
Not electric elevators. The elevator trim was an electric motor driving a screw jack that changed the angle of attack of the entire horizontal stab, in tiny increments.
As for general opinions of German Iron: IMHO the Bf-109 is a rapier and the FW-190 is a bludgeon. :aok
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KG 13(x) Control Stick
Basic Buttons Fw190D
A-Knopf: 2x MG 151 (wing-root mounted), [only if installed: 2x MG 17 (fuselage mounted)]
B1-Knopf: [only if installed: 2x MG 151 cannons (wing mounted)]
B2-Knopf: drop ordnance
Buttons Bf109-G6
Bf 109 G-6 without Rüstsatz R6 (two wing-mounted MG 151 cannons):
A-Knopf: 2x MG 131 (fuselage mounted)
B1-Knopf: 1x MG 151 (engine mounted)
B2-Knopf: drop ordnance
Bf 109 G-6 with Rüstsatz R6 (two wing-mounted MG 151 cannons):
A-Knopf: 2x MG 131 (fuselage mounted) and 1x MG 151 (engine mounted)
B1-Knopf: 2x MG 151 (in wing pods)
B2-Knopf: drop ordnance
Hitech should have the A8 root 20mm and hood MG13 tied together on one button and the wing 20mm\30mm on another. But, still allow fire All as an option.
A-Knopf is the lever which in safe mode is pulled back and up over B1-Knopf(top center button). To fire A-Knopf it is pushed down and forward used toggle a fire button like a trigger. The Wing root 20mm and hood MG13 fire together. B1-Knopf the top button is for the wing mounted 20mm or 30mm. All can be fired together by pulling the lever trigger and holding down on the button. In the picture below, B2-Knopf is the lower button on the left had side of the column which is used to drop ordnance. This whole thing with how weapons are mounted to buttons on the KG12 control stick should be revisited since it was specifically designed to service the multiple weapons options in the Luft in specific orders of button presses.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5369copia-1.jpg)
(http://www.heat.net/store/img-large/luftwaffe-messerschmitt-kg-13-b-control-column-stick-grip-joystick-yoke_221228094355.jpg)
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190a8 weapons info from a technical manual i have a copy of...
190a8 weapons info pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/405468/AH%20Stuff/190a8%20weapons.pdf)
Yes Gyrene thats the manual I was looking at,I have a copy also, and 1 for the 410 somewhere that has me stumped as to where I put it.
If you look at the flight controls section you will see the electrical operated horizontal stab. Something I wasnt aware of before.
:salute
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Flown right the 190 owns everything. What you're saying is you don't know how to fly German Iron.
Boo
really.....wanna test that out.....I have a Japanese plane that will dominate any 190
:neener:
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Ink, in the words of Muhhamed Ali
"We gonna get it on, cause we just don't get along!"
Let's meet in the DA this week and test that cute little Ki-84 you got turn'n. First, make sure to check the oil cause its leak'n.
Boo
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Ink, in the words of Muhhamed Ali
"We gonna get it on, cause we just don't get along!"
Let's meet in the DA this week and test that cute little Ki-84 you got turn'n. First, make sure to check the oil cause its leak'n.
Boo
ya gotta get a gun solution for that :D
unless you fly it like the typical guy spraying from 1500 out..... :O
which I know you dont.......you are going down. :D
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:banana: Give him hell boo! :banana:
I couldn't find any cheerleaders so the banana must do.
(Also I am biased because of squad affiliations, but Money is quietly going on the Ki84.)
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KG 13(x) Control Stick
Basic Buttons Fw190D
A-Knopf: 2x MG 151 (wing-root mounted), [only if installed: 2x MG 17 (fuselage mounted)]
B1-Knopf: [only if installed: 2x MG 151 cannons (wing mounted)]
B2-Knopf: drop ordnance
Buttons Bf109-G6
Bf 109 G-6 without Rüstsatz R6 (two wing-mounted MG 151 cannons):
A-Knopf: 2x MG 131 (fuselage mounted)
B1-Knopf: 1x MG 151 (engine mounted)
B2-Knopf: drop ordnance
Bf 109 G-6 with Rüstsatz R6 (two wing-mounted MG 151 cannons):
A-Knopf: 2x MG 131 (fuselage mounted) and 1x MG 151 (engine mounted)
B1-Knopf: 2x MG 151 (in wing pods)
B2-Knopf: drop ordnance
Hitech should have the A8 root 20mm and hood MG13 tied together on one button and the wing 20mm\30mm on another. But, still allow fire All as an option.
A-Knopf is the lever which in safe mode is pulled back and up over B1-Knopf(top center button). To fire A-Knopf it is pushed down and forward used toggle a fire button like a trigger. The Wing root 20mm and hood MG13 fire together. B1-Knopf the top button is for the wing mounted 20mm or 30mm. All can be fired together by pulling the lever trigger and holding down on the button. In the picture below, B2-Knopf is the lower button on the left had side of the column which is used to drop ordnance. This whole thing with how weapons are mounted to buttons on the KG12 control stick should be revisited since it was specifically designed to service the multiple weapons options in the Luft in specific orders of button presses.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5369copia-1.jpg)
(http://www.heat.net/store/img-large/luftwaffe-messerschmitt-kg-13-b-control-column-stick-grip-joystick-yoke_221228094355.jpg)
I wonder if I could modify my CH to look just like that 109 stick?
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You have much to learn...German iron.
You like British planes anyway...no?
I have no preference in planes, I spend most of my time in a plane I dedicate to a tour. Like the F4U recently.
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:banana: Give him hell boo! :banana:
I couldn't find any cheerleaders so the banana must do.
(Also I am biased because of squad affiliations, but Money is quietly going on the Ki84.)
:rofl
:salute
but next time find those damn cheerleaders :furious
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The Ki-84 is a premier performer and a very dangerous opponent, sometimes being called "the jap 190".
Brothers from another mother!
:bolt:
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Hitech should have the A8 root 20mm and hood MG13 tied together on one button and the wing 20mm\30mm on another. But, still allow fire All as an option.
That seems like an easy and prefered change. :salute
Did you post on the Wish list?
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And the Uber A8 is now at ENY 20 :cry
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Some people, like Draggon and Angleyes are expert in this plane. For my part, I find the plane too sluggish and snappy even if its gun package is amazing. I can see how a really e-conservative player could use this to their advantage - but I prefer the 109F4, or 190A5 that has some e-generating possibility.