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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Arlo on June 01, 2013, 03:37:20 PM
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Though there is apparently an ongoing campaign to fortify the Japanese plane set
(7 fighters - variants included - 2 bombers and 2 attack planes 'weak') if there's
one national plane set that's anorexic and in need of a transfusion it would be the
Italian one (2 whole fighters, baby). :D
Yes, Italy was in this war. More-so than some may be willing to acknowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Italy_during_World_War_II
As such, I may recommend a bomber (or two) another fighter (or two).
[Regrettably, Italy didn't build attack planes that wouldn't incur the wrath
of the 'what a waste of time to model' crowd ;)]
That, in itself, would comprise enough additions for possibly two updates and a
significant change to the overall historical mix/options for Aces High. It would
be a major 'event' offering. The African, Sicilian and Italian campaigns would
get some new toys.
Fiat G.55
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Fiat_G55.jpg)
The Fiat G.55 Centauro (Italian: "Centaur") was a single-engine single-seat World War II fighter aircraft used by the Regia Aeronautica and the A.N.R. (Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana) in 1943-1945. It was designed and built in Turin by Fiat. The Fiat G.55 was probably the best type produced in Italy during World War II,[2] (a subjective claim also frequently made for the Macchi C.205 Veltro) but it did not enter production until 1943.[3]
During its short operational service, mostly under the Repubblica Sociale Italiana insignia, after the 8 September 1943 armistice, this powerful, robust and fast aircraft proved itself to be an excellent interceptor at high altitude. In 1944, over Northern Italy, the Centauro clashed with British Supermarine Spitfire, P-51 Mustang, P-47 Thunderbolt and P-38 Lightning, proving to be no easy adversary. [4] Italian fighter pilots liked their Centauro but by the time the war ended, fewer than 300 had been built*.[2] (This is in comparison with, for example, the 34,000 Bf 109s built by the Germans.)
*Bear in mind that the new trend of wants no longer concerns itself with production - Arlo ;)
General characteristics
Performance
Maximum speed: 623 km/h (337 kn, 387 mph (417 mph with WEP)) at 7,000 m (22,970 ft)
Range: 1,200 km, or 1,650 km with two 100 l (26 US Gal) drop tanks under wings (545 nmi, 627 mi (or 891 nmi, 1,025 mi with drop tanks ))
Service ceiling: 12,750 m (41,830 ft)
Rate of climb: 5 min 50 sec at 6,000 m (Dimensione Cielo, Caccia Assalto 3 Edizioni Bizzarri, Roma 1972, pag. 15) ()
Wing loading: 154.0 kg/m² (34.15 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.308 kW/kg (0.190 hp/lb)
Climb to 7,000 m (22,970 ft): 8.57 min
Armament
G.55 Serie 0:
1 × 20 mm Mauser MG 151/20 cannon, engine-mounted (250 rounds)
4 × 12.7 mm (.5 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns, two in the upper engine cowling, two in the lower cowling/wing roots (300 rpg)
G.55 Serie I:
3 × 20 mm MG 151/20s, one engine-mounted (250 rounds) and two wing-mounted (200 rpg)
2 × 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns in the upper engine cowling (300 rpg)
Provision for 2 × 160 kg (353 lb) bombs on underwing racks (N.B. Egyptian and Syrian aircraft used Machine guns in the wings instead of cannon)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.55
(http://causa-nostra.com/vril/cn1005/gx/Fiat-G-55--g1005a08.jpg)
Reggiane Re.2005
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Reggiane_Re.2005_Sagittario.jpg)
The Reggiane Re.2005 Sagittario (English: Archer, Sagittarius) was an Italian monoplane fighter/fighter-bomber produced for the Regia Aeronautica during the later years of World War II. It is considered by many to be "the most beautiful plane of the Second World War".[2] Along with the Macchi C.202/C.205 and Fiat G.55, the Reggiane Re.2005 was one of the three Serie 5 Italian fighters. The well balanced lines of the fuselage were aerodynamically perfect, and everything was designed to get the most out of the famous Daimler-Benz DB 605 engine.[3] The only drawback was a certain structural weakness in the rear section of the fuselage.[3] Only 48 examples had been delivered before the Armistice and these fighters took part in the defence of Naples, Rome and Sicily with the final survivors battling above the crumbling ruins of Berlin, with German insignia*[see above - Arlo].[4] Well-respected ace and military observer, Group Captain Duncan Smith, DSO DFC, stated: "The Re.2005 was altogether a superb, potent aeroplane."[5]
Performance
Never exceed speed: 980 km/h (609 mph)
Maximum speed:
628 km/h (390 mph) at 6,950 m (22,800 ft)[16]
Cruise speed: 515 km/h (320 mph)
Stall speed: 155 km/h (96 mph) ()
Range: 980 km (610 mi) on internal fuel (1,130 km (700 mi) w/ 300 L drop tank; 1,270 km (790 mi) w/ 300 L + 2 × 150 L drop tanks)
Service ceiling: 11,500 m (37,700 ft) ()
Rate of climb: 20 m/s (3,900 ft/min) (6,000 m in 6.5 min)
Wing loading: max. 177 kg/m² (36.25 lb/sq ft) ()
Armament
Guns:
2 × 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns in upper cowling (350rpm);
1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon firing through propeller hub (150rpm);
2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in wings (200rpm)
Bombs:
Underfuselage (non standard) hardpoint 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) bomb or 1 × 300 L (79.3 US gal) drop tank
Hardpoints on wings: 160 kilograms (350 lb) bombs or 2 × 150 litres (39.6 US gal) drop tanks
(http://www.stormomagazine.com/AviationArt/Re2005_1.jpg)
Of course, you know what's next:
Savoia-Marchetti SM.79
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Savoia-Marchetti_S.M.79.jpg)
The Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero (Italian for "Sparrowhawk") was a three-engined Italian medium bomber with a wood-and-metal structure. Originally designed as a fast passenger aircraft, this low-wing monoplane, in the years 1937–39, set 26 world records that qualified it for some time as the fastest medium bomber in the world.[1] It first saw action during the Spanish Civil War and flew on all fronts in which Italy was involved during World War II.[2] It became famous and achieved many successes as a torpedo bomber in the Mediterranean theater.[3] The SM.79 was an outstanding aircraft and was certainly the best-known Italian aeroplane of World War II.[2] It was easily recognizable due to its distinctive fuselage dorsal "hump", and was well liked by its crews who nicknamed it Gobbo Maledetto ("damned hunchback").[4] It was the most widely produced Italian bomber of World War II, with some 1,300 built, remaining in Italian service until 1952.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.79
General characteristics
Performance
Maximum speed: 460 km/h (286 mph) at 3,790 m (12,450 ft)
Range: 2,600 km (1,615 mi)
Service ceiling: 7,500 m (24,600 ft)
Rate of climb: 5.3 m/s (1,050 ft/min)
Wing loading: 165 kg/m² (33.8 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.173 kW/kg (0.106 hp/lb)
Armament
Guns: ** 1 × 20 mm (0.79 in) forward MG 151 cannon
1 × 12.7 mm (0.5 in) dorsal Breda-SAFAT machine gun
2 × 7.7 mm (0.303 in) machine guns in lateral "waist-gun" ports (optional)
Bombs: 1,200 kg (2,645 lb) internal bomb load or two external 450 millimetres (17.72 in) torpedoes
(http://s2.goodfon.com/wallpaper/previews-middle/414063.jpg)
Piaggio P.108
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Piaggio_P.108.jpg)
The Piaggio P.108 Bombardiere was an Italian four-engine heavy bomber and the only one of its type to see service by Italy during World War II.[1] The prototype first flew in 1939 and it entered service in 1941.[1] It was one of a handful of Italian combat aircraft that could match the best manufactured by the Allies.[2] Four versions of the P.108 were designed, but only one, the P.108B bomber, was produced in any quantity before the armistice. The other variants included the P.108A anti-shipping aircraft with a 102 mm (4 in) gun, the P.108C, an airliner with an extended wingspan and re-modelled fuselage capable of carrying 32 passengers, and the P.108T transport version designed specifically for military use. Only one P.108A and 24 P.108Bs were built. The combined total number of all versions (and prototypes) is 35* [see above - Arlo].[1] Most of the P.108Cs were subsequently modified for use as military transport aircraft and could accommodate up to 60 passengers.[3] Nine P.108 Ts were used by Luftwaffe transport units until the end of the war.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.108
General characteristics
Performance
Maximum speed: 430 km/h (267 mph)
Range: 3,520 km (2,187 mi)
Service ceiling: 8,500 m (27,187 ft)
Armament
5 × 12.7 mm (.5 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns
2 × 7.7 mm (.303 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns
3,500 kg (7,700 lb) of bombs
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BkpXRvjwL0M/T5BkFwID3uI/AAAAAAAAAec/faUDMHVKRs8/s1600/p108_aviationartprofile.JPG)
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pssst...yo Arlo...look here (http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/C.205)
just sayin...
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pssst...yo Arlo...look here (http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/C.205)
just sayin...
Shhh ... I was in a hurry ... look again. :D
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+3 I love the italian birds, their tanks and infantry might of been crap, but later in the war they did produce some ferraris of aircraft.
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lol, good catch sir...now i'm going to predict a couple of wet panties coming in with tampons blazing, and shooting down the re2005 even though it would be a very nice addition to the plane set.
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+1 for G.55
+10 for SM.79-II
-1 for Re2005
-9000 for P.108
+5 for C.200.
Re.2002 was an attack plane, by the way. 245 built per wikipedia.
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Well, I used to be part of the 'weren't enough made' and 'not a significant plane' crowd but,
as of late, I see a turning away from that (as in individuals I thought were like minded) and
I figured, what the heck. And the more what the heck I thought, the more I thought 'why's
the Italian plane set just flat out being ignored while others are campaigning for Japanese
planes that are needed (not saying they aren't but ... the patient in the next bed is
almost dead). :)
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whoops ... I'm reading too fast too.
Reggiane Re.2002
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Reggiane_Re_2002_Co-Belligerent_Air_Force.jpg)
The Reggiane Re.2002 Ariete was an Italian fighter-bomber developed during World War II. The aircraft was a further development of the Re.2000, with some of the modifications that already had been introduced in the Re.2001. The aircraft was mainly used by the Regia Aeronautica (Royal [Italian] Air Force), but it also saw limited use with the German Luftwaffe, who used it against the French resistance.
The Re.2002 project began with the conversion of the Re.2000 to Regia Aeronautica specifications including a redesigned wing and conventional fuel tanks. A contract for a single conversion resulted in the Reggiane company using this as the basis of a new aircraft. The Re.2002 was designed by Roberto Longhi and Antonio Alessio, who took a modified and strengthened Re.2000 fuselage, mated to Re.2001 wings and a more powerful radial engine, the Piaggio P.XIX R.C.45 Turbine (1,175 hp).[2] The decision to go back to radial engines was partly made due to the difficulty in obtaining German made Daimler-Benz DB 601 engines and Longhi's preference for radial engines.
The first prototype flew in October 1940, approximately three months after the Re.2001. The evaluation period showed some reliability problems with the Piaggio engine and therefore the aircraft served primarily as an attack aircraft instead, as it could carry a considerable payload, by Italian standards.
Operational history
In September 1941, the Italian Air Force ordered 200 aircraft, delivery of which began in March 1942. The aircraft equipped the 5° Stormo and 50° Stormo, although the engine problems hadn't been fully solved. The first batch of 100 aircraft were delivered by July 1943, but only part of the second batch was delivered before the armistice with the Allies.[2]
The squadrons equipped with Re.2002s saw a great deal of action with the Allied landings in Sicily although they also suffered many losses. During the first four days, when the Italian Air Force tried to attack allied ships, 14 aircraft were destroyed by British Spitfire Mk Vs. Allied bombing raids and strafing of airfields destroyed many aircraft on the ground. Due to the lack of fuel, the Re.2002s were only used sporadically, often equipped with three 250 kg or 100 kg bombs.
Some of the last skirmishes took place on September 3, 1943, when the British 8th Army landed at Calabria. Fifteen Re.2002s from 5° Stormo attacked the landing force. Three pilots were killed; among them was Giuseppe Cenni, the commander of the unit.
A Reggiane Re 2002 at Taliedo in early 1945, bearing German markings in preparation for delivery to a German Luftwaffe Schlachtgruppe.
The Germans had shown interest in buying 300 Re.2002s before the Armistice. They planned to use the German produced BMW 801 radial engine in order to eliminate the deficiencies with the Piaggio engine. However, Reggiane could not satisfy the demand, and none were delivered. However, some 40 "factory-fresh" Re.2002s along with 20 aircraft requisitioned from operational stocks were taken over by the Germans after the Italian armistice, and used against the French resistance.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggiane_Re.2002
(http://imageshack.us/a/img845/9896/reggianere2002ariete.jpg)
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interesting read on the re2005... http://hud607.fire.prohosting.com/uncommon/aircraft/re2005/index.html (http://hud607.fire.prohosting.com/uncommon/aircraft/re2005/index.html)
considering the ta152 and the me163, shouldn't matter how many re2005s were put into service, they saw combat in squadron strength...
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The Japanese were much larger participants and much more potent adversaries than were the Italians. That isn't saying that Italy wasn't there, but we have a larger percentage of Italian aircraft that participated in WWII than we do Japanese or Russian aircraft. Italian industrial output was just a joke when compared to even recently medieval Japan's, let alone the UK's or Germany's. The USSR and, above all, the USA just dwarf the others.
Would more Italian aircraft be nice? Of course, but that is true of any aircraft. The fact is that the addition of the C.200 and SM.79-II (and perhaps the Re.2002) would bring the Italian planeset up to as fully representative as even the American planeset is now.
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... but we have a larger percentage of Italian aircraft that participated in WWII than we do Japanese or Russian aircraft.
With all due respect, I challenge that claim. :)
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interesting read on the re2005... http://hud607.fire.prohosting.com/uncommon/aircraft/re2005/index.html (http://hud607.fire.prohosting.com/uncommon/aircraft/re2005/index.html)
considering the ta152 and the me163, shouldn't matter how many re2005s were put into service, they saw combat in squadron strength...
Excellent page.
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Would more Italian aircraft be nice? Of course, but that is true of any aircraft. The fact is that the addition of the C.200 and SM.79-II (and perhaps the Re.2002) would bring the Italian planeset up to as fully representative as even the American planeset is now.
are we talking pure italian made or are you including the german aircraft that were used by italians?
*edit* decent list of italian tanks and aircraft at the bottom of the page... http://www.historyofwar.org/country_italy.html (http://www.historyofwar.org/country_italy.html)
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are we talking pure italian made or are you including the german aircraft that were used by italians?
Pure Italian made. No need to model the Stuka and 109. Skins would be cool.
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decent list of italian tanks and aircraft at the bottom of the page... http://www.historyofwar.org/country_italy.html (http://www.historyofwar.org/country_italy.html)
Nice. Thanks again! :)
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The Japanese were much larger participants and much more potent adversaries than were the Italians. That isn't saying that Italy wasn't there, but we have a larger percentage of Italian aircraft that participated in WWII than we do Japanese or Russian aircraft. Italian industrial output was just a joke when compared to even recently medieval Japan's, let alone the UK's or Germany's. The USSR and, above all, the USA just dwarf the others.
Would more Italian aircraft be nice? Of course, but that is true of any aircraft. The fact is that the addition of the C.200 and SM.79-II (and perhaps the Re.2002) would bring the Italian planeset up to as fully representative as even the American planeset is now.
The list is a little longer then C.200 and SM.79, add G.55, Re.2005 and Re.2002 and P.108 - all served in combat in strength. I agree with what you are getting at, some others need to be added, however there are very FEW aircrafts left that served in multiple theaters, which leaves every aircraft
added besides the beaufighter to be pretty much a set finisher.
I'd much rather see more Russian aircraft and Japanese, however I'm not sure how well HTC is on getting data for these planes, I have a hard time finding russian/japanese data myself which might be a reason - maybe not I dont know.
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and why not the SM-82 kangaroo......it was both a bomber and a transport for paratroopers....it would give the axis a transport and italy a bomber with an 8800lbs bomb load.
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Gyrene mentioned the Italian Air Force being supplemented by some German aircraft
(and rightly so). More could be said for the Soviets, in this regard. While I'm all for
a Soviet medium bomber being added, they certainly had the following in numbers:
Curtiss P-40 ................... 2,097
Bell P-39 Airacobra .......... 4,746
Bell P-63 Kingcobra .......... 2,400
Republic P-47 Thunderbolt ... 195
B-25 Mitchell ..................... 862
Douglas A-20 Boston ........ 2,908
Curtiss Toma/Kittyhawks ..... 270
Hawker Hurricane ............. 2,952
Spitfire Mk V ...................... 143
Spitfire Mk IX ................... 1,188
All of which saw significant action, all of which, along with modeled Soviet
equipment, make for a lot of accurate event modeling.
The Japanese plane set has gaps, certainly, but not to the extent that
much of what saw action in most of the Pacific theater of operations
cannot be portrayed in Aces High.
The German and British plane sets are robust. I don't think anyone can
successfully argue against that.
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With all due respect, I challenge that claim. :)
How many different models of combat warplanes did Italy produce?
Italy, based on Wikipedia:
BR.20
Ca.135
C.200
C.202
C.205
CR.42
G.50
G.55
P.108
Re.2000
Re.2001
Re.2002
Re.2005
SM.79-II
SM.80
SM.81
Z.1007
That seems to about cover it, and it includes some very low production units. So, 11.76% of "significant" Italian airframes.
Japan, based on Karnak's memory:
A5M2
A6M2
A6M2-N
A6M3
A6M5
A6M
B5N2
B6N
B7A
D3A1
D3A2
D4Y1
D4Y2
G3M
G4M1
G4M2
H6K
H8K
J1N1-S
J2M2
J2M3
J2M5
Ki-21
Ki-27
Ki-43-I
Ki-43-II
Ki-43-III
Ki-44-II
Ki-45
Ki-46
Ki-48
Ki-49
Ki-51
Ki-61-I-Ko
Ki-61-I-Otsu
Ki-61-I-Tei
Ki-61-II
Ki-67
Ki-84-I-Ko
Ki-84-I-Otsu
Ki-100
Ki-102
N1K1
N1K1-J
N1K2-J
P1Y1
23.91% of significant Japanese airframes. So you're right, we do have a larger percentage of Japanese aircraft. Add three Italian birds and we'd be where I claimed we were.
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Savoia-Marchetti SM.82
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Sm82.jpg)
The Savoia-Marchetti SM.82 was an Italian bomber and transport aircraft of World War II. It was a cantilever, mid-wing monoplane trimotor with a retractable, tailwheel undercarriage. About 400 were built, the first entering service in 1940, but although able to operate as a bomber with a maximum bombload of up to 8,818 lb (4000 kg), the SM.82 saw very limited use in this role.[1]
Post-war about 30 SM.82s continued in service with the Aeronautica Militare Italliana, many remaining in service until the early 1960s.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.82
Capacity: 40 troops
Performance
Maximum speed: 347 km/h (187 kn, 212 mph)
Cruise speed: 250 km/h (135 kn, 125 mph) at 3,000 m (9,840 ft)
Stall speed: 110 km/h (59 kn, 68 mph)
Range: 2,100 km (1,134 nmi, 1,864 mi)
Service ceiling: 6,000 m (19,685 ft)
Armament
1 × 12.7 mm (.5 in) Scotti machine gun in dorsal turret
3 × 7.7 mm (.303 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns in ventral and lateral positions
4,000 kg (8,818 lb) bombload
(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r578/Tomcathornet/ITA01270.jpg)
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I didn't include Japanese transports either. That was intentional as we both know none of either will ever be added. The only transport that might yet be added is the Ju52.
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I didn't include Japanese transports either. That was intentional as we both know none of either will ever be added. The only transport that might yet be added is the Ju52.
You're counting overall airframes but ... how much of that is needed to do much more
than add anything other than the Battle or the Philippine Sea, the Russo-Japanese war
and a possible B-29 interceptor or two for events?
Now ... two Italian fighters and the German Luftwaffe portray the Italian/Sicilian
campaign.
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You're counting overall airframes but ... how much of that is needed to do much more
than add anything other than the Battle or the Philippine Sea, the Russo-Japanese war
and a possible B-29 interceptor or two for events?
Now ... two Italian fighters and the German Luftwaffe portray the Italian/Sicilian
campaign.
Yup, but that hits both. We obviously don't need all of either and many wouldn't be used for fun. I can hack whole swaths of aircraft from both.
This would be, for me, a satisfactorily complete Italian planeset:
C.200
C.202
C.205
CR.42
G.55
Re.2002
SM.79-II
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Yup, but that hits both. We obviously don't need all of either and many wouldn't be used for fun. I can hack whole swaths of aircraft from both.
This would be, for me, a satisfactorily complete Italian planeset:
C.200
C.202
C.205
CR.42
G.55
Re.2002
SM.79-II
That only excludes the Re.2005 from the OP's wish. Yes then?
On another note, why do all these wished turn into the (unstated) "requirements" or what is "most needed" argument. What is wrong with the idea of a new plane might be more fun than another? I do not hear that much, and that seems strange to me.
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On another note, why do all these wished turn into the (unstated) "requirements" or what is "most needed" argument. What is wrong with the idea of a new plane might be more fun than another? I do not hear that much, and that seems strange to me.
just give it some time, ack ack and krusty haven't chimed in yet...
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Yup, but that hits both. We obviously don't need all of either and many wouldn't be used for fun. I can hack whole swaths of aircraft from both.
This would be, for me, a satisfactorily complete Italian planeset:
C.200
C.202
C.205
CR.42
G.55
Re.2002
SM.79-II
I could settle for that. I was, though, pandering to the uber is better
crowd, yaknow. That does seem the latest trend and may still accomplish
the job. Same could be said for support of a beefed up Japanese planeset.
There may be more overall support for a barely used late Japanese ride
then adding, say, the Claude (which I, personally, think would be a great
addition for AVG events alone). :)
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That only excludes the Re.2005 from the OP's wish. Yes then?
On another note, why do all these wished turn into the (unstated) "requirements" or what is "most needed" argument. What is wrong with the idea of a new plane might be more fun than another? I do not hear that much, and that seems strange to me.
Probably because the 'most fun' planes are already in the game?
Then again - 'most fun' is subjective. Some players like super-fighters
and super-buffs. Some like the challenge of something less so. Some
like not only participating in events but designing them and if you've
participated in those forums it becomes painfully obvious how many
players have issues with subbing other aircraft for the ones that actually
participated in the battle being portrayed.
So ... I'm confident in saying that every wish being made is being done
with fun in mind (whether it's likely to produce the desire is another
thing, entirely). :)
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That only excludes the Re.2005 from the OP's wish.
Excludes the P.108 as well. Adds the CR.42, C.200 and the Re.2002.
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-1 for Re2005
Re.2002 was an attack plane, by the way. 245 built per wikipedia.
How many TA-152's were built again and what type of aircraft was it? :huh
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How many TA-152's were built again and what type of aircraft was it? :huh
How does that bear on anything? I posted my opinion, not a hard fact. The Ta152 reused much of the graphic model of the Fw190D-9 whereas the Re.2005 would require its own 3D model. I am not going to throw a tantrum if HTC decides to add the Re.2005 like some do every time they add an Allied aircraft, but that doesn't mean I have to endorse it.
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How does that bear on anything? I posted my opinion, not a hard fact. The Ta152 reused much of the graphic model of the Fw190D-9 whereas the Re.2005 would require its own 3D model. I am not going to throw a tantrum if HTC decides to add the Re.2005 like some do every time they add an Allied aircraft, but that doesn't mean I have to endorse it.
Re.2005 would help finish out the late war era planes, when you think about it - 99% fly late war arena - also it flew in the italian theater. Much as I lean more towards early and midwar fighters, honestly they dont compete in LWA and only FSO/scenarios.
Re.2005 and G.55 would not be perk planes, but lower eny ones, while they won't beat most of the planes in the LWA, they do give a nice boost for anti bombers.
Now with your list of Japanese aircraft, a handful of them will never be flown outside FSO or Scenarios - Ki48? G3m? Ki21? Ki27? a5m? I can see the B7a d4y H8k J2M Ki-45 Ki-61 (series) and Ki-100 being aded, the rest would just fill a gap nobody would use.
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Now with your list of Japanese aircraft, a handful of them will never be flown outside FSO or Scenarios - Ki48? G3m? Ki21? Ki27? a5m? I can see the B7a d4y H8k J2M Ki-45 Ki-61 (series) and Ki-100 being aded, the rest would just fill a gap nobody would use.
Agreed. As I said, large swathes of both lists do not need to be added.
Ki-44, Ki-102, N1K1, N1K1-J and P1Y1 would also see MA use. I would certainly use the P1Y1 given it would have the unique for a Japanese bomber ability for a formation to destroy two hangars as one of its loadouts was two 500kg bombs. Just over 1000 P1Y1s were built.
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Yup, but that hits both. We obviously don't need all of either and many wouldn't be used for fun. I can hack whole swaths of aircraft from both.
This would be, for me, a satisfactorily complete Italian planeset:
C.200
C.202
C.205
CR.42
G.55
Re.2002
SM.79-II
That is a nice list. :aok
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That G55 is beautiful, contrary to mo on other Fiat products.
:salute
oh, +1
:aok
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+1 for:
G.55
CR.42
SM.79
That rounds out the Italian Planeset nicely.
I'd fly the RE.2005 if it showed up, but IMHO it showed up too late to deserve inclusion. The rest of the list I can live without.