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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on June 03, 2013, 04:59:44 PM
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what has changed?
I heard spit14 was free now.
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(http://mlkshk.com/r/4KU)
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It should be free :aok
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Spit14 ~ K4
Pity they think "the spit14 cant turn". While its not a zeek, surely it can, and can do it really well. A whole lot better than how a 190 can so no need for running away.
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109k4 15 eny (down form 20)
all p40s but N 40 ENY (not sure what they were before)
firefly 4 perks (down from8?)
t3485 2 perks (up from 1?)
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109k4 15 eny (down form 20)
all p40s but N 40 ENY (not sure what they were before)
firefly 4 perks (down from8?)
t3485 2 perks (up from 1?)
Did this happen or is this a wish in the wrong area?
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Did this happen or is this a wish in the wrong area?
I'd like to know as well. If the 14 is free I'll be flying rather frequently now
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all p40s but N 40 ENY (not sure what they were before)
P-40C was 40, E and E were 35 was 30.
Would be nice if someone could compile a new list so I could update my charts and track any changes in usage :)
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yes spit14 is free and perk prices and ENY numbers of many planes have changed.
this is not a drill report to your squadrons immediately!
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yes spit14 is free and perk prices and ENY numbers of many planes have changed.
this is not a drill report to your squadrons immediately!
Nice, I hope the Seahurri was taken up a few. its a Hurri 1 that is slower with the cannons on or just a bit heavier when its got the 8x303s, yet its 15 eny!
25-30 eny MAX and thats only with the cannons on. without them it really should be a 40 eny bird.
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sea hurri is probably the most horrible plane in the set. if you do the get 5 kills ach in it you will be like... wtf I hate this plane i dont care if it has cannons
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:banana:
yes spit14 is free and perk prices and ENY numbers of many planes have changed.
this is not a drill report to your squadrons immediately!
:banana:
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I think the tank killers should be higher eny as well. you never see them around. everyone is always using the a20 or lancstuka.
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sea hurri is probably the most horrible plane in the set. if you do the get 5 kills ach in it you will be like... wtf I hate this plane i dont care if it has cannons
The P40c still has that imo. the Hurri with the cannons can still point and shoot really well.
I flew the 8x303 in the Malta Scenario. My squad managed a few kills, even when we were spread out scouting.
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everyone is always using the a20 or lancstuka.
The IL-2 is still slightly ahead of the Lancaster in air to ground kills in the current year. A-20 and Lancaster combined have ~14% of all A2G kills at the moment.
Current ranking:
1. A-20 (9.40 %)
5. Il-2 (4.95 %)
6. Lancaster (4.84 %)
10. Ju-87G (2.81 %)
11. B-25H (2.55 %)
35. Hurri D (0.68 %)
%= Percentage of all air to ground kills.
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The IL-2 is still slightly ahead of the Lancaster in air to ground kills in the current year. A-20 and Lancaster combined have ~14% of all A2G kills at the moment.
Current ranking:
1. A-20 (9.40 %)
5. Il-2 (4.95 %)
6. Lancaster (4.84 %)
10. Ju-87G (2.81 %)
11. B-25H (2.55 %)
35. Hurri D (0.68 %)
Whats the bet that the american bomb trucks like the Pony/Jug/P38 & F4U are also near the top of that list.
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Whats the bet that the american bomb trucks like the Pony/Jug/P38 & F4U are also near the top of that list.
Absolutely. F-6F, P-51D, F4U-D are right behind the A-20
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Absolutely. F-6F, P-51D, F4U-D are right behind the A-20
Yep, like I thought. Everyone keeps pointing to the lancs :rolleyes:
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Yep, like I thought. Everyone keeps pointing to the lancs :rolleyes:
I believe it has to do with a gross abuse of a platform. ;)
I'm surprised someone has not leaked out of their diapers regarding the increase in perk price for the F4U-1C and F4U-4, they both took a big jump (and rightfully so, imo). The Frank is still at 20 ENY which surprises me, the La7 went back DOWN to 5 ENY which is good, and the change in the firefly is good to see as well. Having the P40's pushed up to 40 ENY was a good move too, but a surprise none the less.
HTC went took everything in the right direction, imo. I still think some aircraft could use an adjustment (P51D and Spit16 specifically), both of them could easily be below 5 ENY.
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Noobz gonna fly Uber Stangz and Spitz, Hataz gonna hate.
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I'm surprised someone has not leaked out of their diapers regarding the increase in perk price for the F4U-1C and F4U-4
By how much? :old:
Still need a list! :pray
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hope the 152 goes to 15ENY
:joystick:
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My hogs went up? Noooooooo! :cry
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hope the 152 goes to 15ENY
:joystick:
perk it!
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Spit14 ~ K4
Pity they think "the spit14 cant turn". While its not a zeek, surely it can, and can do it really well. A whole lot better than how a 190 can so no need for running away.
Below 8k the 190s own it. Above 18k the 190s best take it to the house...since 80% of the actual fights are below 15k, the 190s don't have much to worry about if they have an idea of what their doing.
The 14 does not fly like the K4 contrary to popular opinion. People try to fly it like a K4...the uber people get away with it but normal pilots will just end up asking themselves why the 14 won't climb well at low alts
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perk it!
that dark age has passed. Lets not go back there
:old:
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Below 8k the 190s own it. Above 18k the 190s best take it to the house...since 80% of the actual fights are below 15k, the 190s don't have much to worry about if they have an idea of what their doing.
The 14 does not fly like the K4 contrary to popular opinion. People try to fly it like a K4...the uber people get away with it but normal pilots will just end up asking themselves why the 14 won't climb well at low alts
The Spit 14 is the worst turning Spitfire. That is like saying that the 911 is the worst performing Porche. The Spit14 will shine if it is flown less like a Spit 8/9/16 and more like a 109K-4, the big thing is that the Spit14 is a ways behind the other Spitfires in every category except in speed and climb. The Spit14 pilots biggest threat will be the Spit16's, mark my word. The 2 models are too close in speed and climb, yet the 16 can turn better roll way better, is more forgiving, and is more "typical" to fly (left turning, more stable, better at slow speeds).
Vs the 190's I believe the Spit14 will be just fine. ;)
btw..., for Looshey: the new perk price for both the -1C and -4 is 26. :aok
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I'd like to know as well. If the 14 is free I'll be flying rather frequently now
It's so easy to shoot down compared to the other Spitires because it turns very rough due to all that torque and I especially dare you to use wep when turn fighting. :joystick:
You can run away in it, but then why not just up a P51D? :rolleyes:
Having said that, I may try it a bit more to catch runners and deal with the huge torque challenge for a diversion.
:)
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you must be kidding !
Fw190a5 now have higher ENY than the Fw190a8 :furious
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It's so easy to shoot down compared to the other Spitires because it turns very rough due to all that torque and I especially dare you to use wep when turn fighting. :joystick:
You can run away in it, but then why not just up a P51D? :rolleyes:
Having said that, I may try it a bit more to catch runners and deal with the huge torque challenge for a diversion.
:)
middy, we haven't fought after my transformation :D
we need to for chits and giggles
and I like flying the spit 14 below 8k :t
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Below 8k the 190s own it. Above 18k the 190s best take it to the house...since 80% of the actual fights are below 15k, the 190s don't have much to worry about if they have an idea of what their doing.
1: you missed my point
2: come, duel me, you in 190D, me in Spit14, and i promise you, you won win a single one, and not because i might be any better than you - im not, but the Spit14 turns around in 17.5 sseconds while it takes 20.2 in the 190. Also the Spit climbs way way better than the 190 and only 10mph slower.
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I fought against a spit14 an hour ago... I stalled him out, he fell arse-backwards... I thought YAY!... but instead, he pulled out of it within maybe 500ft...
The Ta-152 can't come out of it, not in 20,000 feet! :(
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middy, we haven't fought after my transformation :D
we need to for chits and giggles
and I like flying the spit 14 below 8k :t
:huh
:headscratch:
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you must be kidding !
Fw190a5 now have higher ENY than the Fw190a8 :furious
The Fw190A-8 consistently saw much higher usage than the Fw190A-5. It actually saw much higher usage than one would expect for a flying brick.
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The Spit 14 is the worst turning Spitfire. That is like saying that the 911 is the worst performing Porche. The Spit14 will shine if it is flown less like a Spit 8/9/16 and more like a 109K-4, the big thing is that the Spit14 is a ways behind the other Spitfires in every category except in speed and climb. The Spit14 pilots biggest threat will be the Spit16's, mark my word. The 2 models are too close in speed and climb, yet the 16 can turn better roll way better, is more forgiving, and is more "typical" to fly (left turning, more stable, better at slow speeds).
Vs the 190's I believe the Spit14 will be just fine. ;)
btw..., for Looshey: the new perk price for both the -1C and -4 is 26. :aok
Speed and climb above 15k....that's not where most of the fights are....they may start there but they end up below the 14s performance envelope. If you try to fly the 14 like the K4 below 8K, you will die more than you live. The K4 is an overpowered, underweighted stud...that's not the description I'd use for the 14 nor will the 14 accelerate at lower alts like the K4. Goodlick
The 16 is a trainer and is a threat to every bird in the game so you given no revelation there.
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1: you missed my point
2: come, duel me, you in 190D, me in Spit14, and i promise you, you won win a single one, and not because i might be any better than you - im not, but the Spit14 turns around in 17.5 sseconds while it takes 20.2 in the 190. Also the Spit climbs way way better than the 190 and only 10mph slower.
You fly the 190 and ill fly the Spit....I have no time in either bird sir. But let's do it below 8K as that was my example
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New changes seem about right. Although I did notice there's now a pretty big gap between the G14 and the K4. I am certainly no 109 expert, but it would seem to me those two planes should be a bit closer in ENY. Not a real big deal even if it should be.
The Spit14 I predict will be a passing fad. Lots of guys fighting them at low alt like a 16 with a different number last night. It looked so fun I couldn't resist. Killed another 14 and then promptly spun it into the ground kicking rudder at low alt. Spit 14 love affair = over.
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You forgot to perk the Spit16 HiTech. :mad:
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You fly the 190 and ill fly the Spit....I have no time in either bird sir. But let's do it below 8K as that was my example
If youre in a spit then i lose 100/100. But it works vice versa too. Look for me in-game.
Wait, didnt you just said that the 190 owns the spit14? Then wouldnt it be straight if You in a 190 would try to prove your statement against my Spit14? huh? ;)
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The Spit 14 was my favorite perker. What am I supposed to fly when I want to lose some perks now? :headscratch: Took it up last night and bagged a Spit 14 a K-4 and P-47M all above 20k. She is a beast up there! :devil
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you must be kidding !
Fw190a5 now have higher ENY than the Fw190a8 :furious
The Fw190A-8 consistently saw much higher usage than the Fw190A-5. It actually saw much higher usage than one would expect for a flying brick.
Come on save, we both know you kill so much better in the A8 than in the A5 :P
I have no idea why the A8 is so abundant in the arena. To me, it seems to get the short end of the stick in every performance category for a 190 except raw firepower, but it is not like 2*20mm and plenty of ammo is so bad. If I get the urge to wear leather, I jump in the A5 nearly 100% of the times. Perhaps too many players simply don't realize how much more maneuverable the A5 is vs. the A8 and is not really any slower. I'd rank the A8 as the highest ENY of all 190s.
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The Spit 14 was my favorite perker. What am I supposed to fly when I want to lose some perks now? :headscratch: Took it up last night and bagged a Spit 14 a K-4 and P-47M all above 20k. She is a beast up there! :devil
snicker, snicker :)
shamus
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If youre in a spit then i lose 100/100. But it works vice versa too. Look for me in-game.
Wait, didnt you just said that the 190 owns the spit14? Then wouldnt it be straight if You in a 190 would try to prove your statement against my Spit14? huh? ;)
for chits and giggles Deb I'll take you up on that :t
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snicker, snicker :)
shamus
Shhhhhh. You were in a no RTB zone. <S>
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If youre in a spit then i lose 100/100. But it works vice versa too. Look for me in-game.
Wait, didnt you just said that the 190 owns the spit14? Then wouldnt it be straight if You in a 190 would try to prove your statement against my Spit14? huh? ;)
I was saying the 14 is not a threat at low alts to any of the 190s. It simply isn't. It's counter rotating prop and lack of power below 8K make it at least less than the 190s, but not better. At alts over 15K, the 14 is a beast as long as you don't hold flat turns tight right
Oh....it's stall stability is awful....flat spin city
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There is no lack of power below 8, 000ft. You're making that up. It does have dead zones, but sea level is not one of them.
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There is no lack of power below 8, 000ft. You're making that up. It does have dead zones, but sea level is not one of them.
I'm making up nothing. It's power is its power but how power translates to quickness and acceleration is what I'm speaking about. It cannot accelerate like the K4 at sea level because its power to weight is greater than the K4; the Griffon is a much heavier engine along with other physical adjustments that had to be made to accomodate its proper running. Plus the dual stage super charger didn't kick in until certain alts.
I had a schnauzer once....cute little dog. He was bound and determined to try to pizz on the other dogs in the neighborhoods good time just for the sake of doing it. Worthless mutt
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Youre confusing it, Changeup.
At sea level, the Spit14 does 360-362mph against the Dora's 372-374, thats not a huge difference. The 190 can win the chase though, thanks to its very long lasting wep.
The climb rate is on the Spit14's side, at the maximum of ~4600-5000 feet/min, depending on the fuel load, while the 190 only tops out at 3900-4200. This isnt a huge difference either.
The Spit14 clearly out-accelerates the D9 from 150 to 300 at any alt.
The Spit turns around in 17.5 seconds at sea level, while it takes 20.2 in the Dora. The spit also turns on a smaller circle and has a much slower stall speed, also actually it can open its flaps, reverse and overshoot.
The Dora wins in the roll rate at any speed, dives a lot better and has twice as much ammo. Also feels more steady while aiming (for me).
The 190 stalls more steadily and smoothly, but the point is, the spit doesnt even need to pull that far to completely dominate a 190... true, its not even close to a spit16, but still a turnyer ride than anything whats only nearly as fast.
So... when im screaming into the sea of red, the 190 is my choice, but i highly doubt that in a co-alt 1v1 or 2v2 or 5v5 a group of 190s can ever defeat a group of spit14s.
Actually, the Spit14 is very close to the 109K4. The differences are:
-the guns. A shotgun vs the hizookas, personal preference. In good hands, both can be awesome.
-the Spit is a little bit slower under 28K but the difference is marginal. Climbs a little bit better on wep though.
-the spit has much less wep.
-the spit turns much better in a sustained turn but has worse flaps and stalls a bit strange.
I found everything else to be quite simmilar, even the dive compression is nearly the same.
The jock of all trades is the La7: turns much better than both the K4 or the Spit14, has awesome flaps, hard-hitting guns, isnt compressing up to 500mph+ faster than both (under 10k) and climbs almost as good.
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The jock of all trades is the La7: turns much better than both the K4 or the Spit14, has awesome flaps, hard-hitting guns, isnt compressing up to 500mph+ faster than both (under 10k) and climbs almost as good.
I'm so glad someone else understands this stuff other than me. :aok
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Don't forget that a Spit14 can't dive that well (or any spits for that matter). In a 109, you get sluggish controls, in a spit, you'll rip your wings off.
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The Fw190A-8 consistently saw much higher usage than the Fw190A-5. It actually saw much higher usage than one would expect for a flying brick.
One on one A5 kicks any A8 any day, with 4 guns it should kill buffs almost equally good and still.
And a 4gun-hispano Mossie still at ENY 30 ???
Seen Bozon outturn many turny planes in it and a snapshot kills everything, and still it outclimbs and fly away from the A8 at will.
Many in my squad fly the A8 because of the challenge of flying the brick. Hopefully next patch fixes the weight, so it can keep its ENY 20.
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New changes seem about right. Although I did notice there's now a pretty big gap between the G14 and the K4. I am certainly no 109 expert, but it would seem to me those two planes should be a bit closer in ENY. Not a real big deal even if it should be.
Why? The K4 is vastly superior to the G-14. The G-14 a tad slow, and lacks high altitude performance. ENY 25 is about right.
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I think Kappa in a TA152 can beat a spit 14 in a slow turnfight.
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Why? The K4 is vastly superior to the G-14. The G-14 a tad slow, and lacks high altitude performance. ENY 25 is about right.
Because the difference in ENY seems disproportionate to the difference in performance. This from a somewhat infrequent 109 driver, so YMMV.
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I think Kappa in a TA152 can beat a spit 14 in a slow turnfight.
I have beaten Spit16s on the deck in a D9, full flaps out rolling scissors. It still means nothing as they made more and bigger mistakes than me.
Kappa can fly for sure, but a Kappa in a 152 vs Kappa in a Spit14 is quite predictable ;)
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how the A8 has a lower eny than an A5 baffles me...and I did my best to show the abilities of the A8.
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how the A8 has a lower eny than an A5 baffles me...and I did my best to show the abilities of the A8.
Quite simple:
Late War Tour 160:
Fw190A-5: Kills: 2916 Deaths: 2025
Fw190A-8: Kills: 5559 Deaths: 4898
As I stated earlier, the Fw190A-8 consistently gets much more use than the Fw190A-5.
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so....with some simple math...that I wont do...the K/D of the A5 is greater than that of the A8?
Sure seems simple to me....
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so....with some simple math...that I wont do...the K/D of the A5 is greater than that of the A8?
Sure seems simple to me....
It is, if K/D ratio was all that mattered. Impact on the arena is also a factor, and the Fw190A-8 has more than twice the usage, thus more impact on the arena. Do you really want to just base it on K/D ratio? The P-38J will have an ENY 5 and the Spitfire Mk XVI will have an ENY 15 or 20 under that system.
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I base it on ability. A5 is a more able fighter than A8.
Base it on usage alone?
Why isn't P51 perked? or spit16? La7?
Usage?
I understand it is more than K/D...but A5 is a more capable fighter in MA than A8...typically. It is a little slower....but turns much more gentle and better. I feel like I am cheating when flying an A5 compared to A8.
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I base it on ability. A5 is a more able fighter than A8.
Base it on usage alone?
Why isn't P51 perked? or spit16? La7?
Usage?
I understand it is more than K/D...but A5 is a more capable fighter in MA than A8...typically. It is a little slower....but turns much more gentle and better. I feel like I am cheating when flying an A5 compared to A8.
you perk those planes and new players wouldn't stay. They need a plane that can compete with those players of a higher skill. I have only played 3 months and without the spit i would have gave up.
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how the A8 has a lower eny than an A5 baffles me...and I did my best to show the abilities of the A8.
If I were looking at only thier fighter vs fighter capabilities I'd agree but the A-8 is an exceptional buff killer while the A5 is only OK and the A8 can still fight if it has to.
In that regard the A8 has a much bigger impact across the spectrum of the arena than the A5.
Personally I'm sad to see it because I prefer the A8 over the A5 in almost every situation.
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If I were looking at only thier fighter vs fighter capabilities I'd agree but the A-8 is an exceptional buff killer while the A5 is only OK and the A8 can still fight if it has to.
In that regard the A8 has a much bigger impact across the spectrum of the arena than the A5.
Personally I'm sad to see it because I prefer the A8 over the A5 in almost every situation.
Could this be possible that it is to encourage the use of the A5?
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All these people think the spit 14 is just another spit 16. Silly kids :rofl
btw thanks hiTech :salute
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I base it on ability. A5 is a more able fighter than A8.
Base it on usage alone?
Why isn't P51 perked? or spit16? La7?
Usage?
I understand it is more than K/D...but A5 is a more capable fighter in MA than A8...typically. It is a little slower....but turns much more gentle and better. I feel like I am cheating when flying an A5 compared to A8.
Correctly flown an A5 is an exceptionally survivable aircraft, whereas in the A8 you are almost ready to silk if you are too slow below 7k
in the MA environment.
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I am probably one of the few not happy to see the XIV un-perked. I saw no shortage of them yesterday in the short time I was in the MA. Bad news to us P-47 faithful! That thing will outrun us and out turn us anything short of 25k feet.
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I am probably one of the few not happy to see the XIV un-perked. I saw no shortage of them yesterday in the short time I was in the MA. Bad news to us P-47 faithful! That thing will outrun us and out turn us anything short of 25k feet.
But they give you a load of perks :aok
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I am probably one of the few not happy to see the XIV un-perked. I saw no shortage of them yesterday in the short time I was in the MA. Bad news to us P-47 faithful! That thing will outrun us and out turn us anything short of 25k feet.
You forgot out-climb a P47 by almost a factor of 2 in climb rate...
Seriously, both on WEP, the 14 climbs 2000 fpm faster than the D11/25. In the hands of someone who know how to handle E it is a total PITA. Not that the 16 is so much less capable in that department, but at least it is a bit easier to outrun a 16. As long as it is flow by the same guys who fly the 16, we can still manage it somehow.
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Spit14.
Those things are so unstable at slow speed I got a rolling reversal kill on one in a Pony.
Should never have been perked in the first instance.
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I agree with Dolby here - the spit 14 can be defeated with smart ACM - it is really unstable too. I am sure a lot of us would like to see the stats on spit 14s over the next few months.
Also, in the MA an LA7 at 10k is a lot more trouble then a Spit anything at 10k. Stable, fast, center mounted cannon, lots of bullets, Russian durability, a bit temperamental but communicative. The spit 14 is, with low speed and wep out of control.
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Tank ace mentioned that the K4 is better at higher alts than the G14, i was under the impression it was the other way around, but ive been known to be wrong.
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Tank ace mentioned that the K4 is better at higher alts than the G14, i was under the impression it was the other way around, but ive been known to be wrong.
K4 is faster and climbs better than the G14 over either 8k or 12k onwards I can't remember exactly
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K4 is faster and climbs better than the G14 over either 8k or 12k onwards I can't remember exactly
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=84&p2=1&pw=1>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=84&p2=1&pw=1>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
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I am probably one of the few not happy to see the XIV un-perked. I saw no shortage of them yesterday in the short time I was in the MA. Bad news to us P-47 faithful! That thing will outrun us and out turn us anything short of 25k feet.
Bah!!! Can't outrun the M. Any Jug rolls better. Slow speed handling is marginal. At speeds over 300 it can't turn with ya (speed flaps). As long as you don't try to fight up hill, you're OK. Even then, with a good head of steam in a zoom, Jug will hang long enough to occasionally shread a wing before the 14 can pull away. Spit16 and 8 are much more dangerous.
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I don't fly the spit 14 much but I find it has strange high speed stalls and I just about can't get in out of a flat spin. Give me the Spit 8 or a K-4 over the 14 any day.
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Tank ace mentioned that the K4 is better at higher alts than the G14, i was under the impression it was the other way around, but ive been known to be wrong.
Nope, the K-4 is an absolute monster of performance. It's right on the perk/non-perk threshold along with several others. If it weren't for each aircraft having some frankly quite toejamty qualities, they would be perked.
And surprisingly, the G-2 is actually the second best 109 in terms of purely maximum performance.
Personally, I feel the G-14 is the worst for its time period, and actually inferior to the F-4 and G-2 as a fighter.
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At speeds over 300 it can't turn with ya (speed flaps).
False. At 300mph every airplane in the game is G limited. Getting your flaps out that high has uses, but it won't make you turn inside a Spitfire at 300mph. Personally, if I were in the Spitfire, seeing the 47's flaps come out would be a great thing. Lets get this slow where my ability to go up and to accelerate rapidly comes into play/
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False. At 300mph every airplane in the game is G limited. Getting your flaps out that high has uses, but it won't make you turn inside a Spitfire at 300mph. Personally, if I were in the Spitfire, seeing the 47's flaps come out would be a great thing. Lets get this slow where my ability to go up and to accelerate rapidly comes into play/
I think my flying style is much closer to LilMak. Somethings wrong whan a spit has to BnZ on a jug ;)
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I think my flying style is much closer to LilMak. Somethings wrong whan a spit has to BnZ on a jug ;)
No need to BnZ it, just out power it. If the Spit pilot discovers the P-47 pilot is much better than he is, go up. The P-47 can't follow. Flaps at 300mph affect none of this.
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The Ta-152 can't come out of it, not in 20,000 feet! :(
Yes, it can be saved if you are quick and know how to react. Spend some hours in it and it can be fun on the edge of the stall.
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Quite simple:
Late War Tour 160:
Fw190A-5: Kills: 2916 Deaths: 2025
Fw190A-8: Kills: 5559 Deaths: 4898
As I stated earlier, the Fw190A-8 consistently gets much more use than the Fw190A-5.
You figures show why the A8 should have a higher eny. It's K/D is nearly 1 to 1 while the A5 has a better 3 to 2 K/D ratio.
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No need to BnZ it, just out power it. If the Spit pilot discovers the P-47 pilot is much better than he is, go up. The P-47 can't follow. Flaps at 300mph affect none of this.
Otherwise yes, speaking about a straight line flat scissors, my money might be on the Jug. This Spit modell is all about converting energy and raw engine power into turn rate instead of overshooting.
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False. At 300mph every airplane in the game is G limited. Getting your flaps out that high has uses, but it won't make you turn inside a Spitfire at 300mph. Personally, if I were in the Spitfire, seeing the 47's flaps come out would be a great thing. Lets get this slow where my ability to go up and to accelerate rapidly comes into play/
I agree with this in that turns @ speed are G limited. I over simplified my answer. It really depends if the spit pilot is any good (most aren't). If he over commits on the initial diving attack, then popping the 1st notch of flaps and reversing while doing a high Yo-yo type maneuver will give you a good chance at a snapshot as he rides the blackout while trying to pull lead. If you miss the shot while in the Jug, you better have a plan B.
If he doesn't commit and pulls back up in a lazy picking type climb to set up the BnZ, you can get some horizontal separation and build speed. Then the whole cycle starts again until you end up on the deck. Also requiring a plan B.
The thing is, a spit16 or 8 has the exact same options and turns better to boot.
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I agree with the Spit14 should be non-perked, but now its really easy to advocate for 150 octane planes ... or even free a F4U-4, making MA the Miid-1945 Arena.
Fastest , but not the best climber, the F4u4
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=54&p2=64&pw=1>ype=0)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=54&p2=64&pw=1>ype=2)
I just wait for the Yak-3P to appear to put the last nail in the Fw190A8 in the coffin it already is in the MA.
HTC already chose late Russian versions of Yak9,LA-5,LA-7 planes into the game, but the early versions of the G6,A8 to fight them.
Adding armour to the A8 made it even a fatter pig.
And please make that spinner-hit-radiator-gone one 0.303 ping wonder of the Dora/152 an old bad memory.
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save,
That is a very weak argument. 1) Why 150 octane? The Spitfire isn't using 150 octane. 2) The Spitfire Mk XIV entered service in January, 1944. That hardly makes it a 1945 Arena. 3) You ignore the many things the F4U-4 does better than the Spitfire Mk XIV. The F4U-4 is the best piston engined fighter currently in the game. 4) Why is the Spitfire Mk XIV's speed and climb chart a big deal, but the Bf109K-4's very similar climb and speed chart didn't mean the same thing?
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Burn the 14's wing tanks and you have an uber spit 8 in your hands. But you'll more than likley have to RTB at that point.
Kudos to bustr for that knowledge :banana:
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Burn the 14's wing tanks and you have an uber spit 8 in your hands. But you'll more than likley have to RTB at that point.
Kudos to bustr for that knowledge :banana:
The spit 8 and 14 have the same fuel tanks
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Karnak, I just see things moving to later in the war, and I do not like it. Its very easy to step over that prop= unperked line.
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Karnak, I just see things moving to later in the war, and I do not like it. Its very easy to step over that prop= unperked line.
Understood, but the Spit XIV doesn't support your argument very well.
Look at the K/D ratio that perked fighters had for the last decade. Consistently the Spit XIV stood out for not having a perk plane like K/D ratio. Even the Ta152 always had better than the Spit XIV before it was unperked all those years ago. The F4U-1C, F4U-4, Me163, Me262 and Tempest have always demonstrated that they are properly perk planes, props, hairdriers and rockets being irrelevant. The Spit XIV being unperked in no way moves any of the others towards being unperked.
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I just really wish HTC would stop adding "new" new planes, and start fleshing out what we already have.
Split the 190A8 into early and late versions, ditch any uparmored versions, cover armament with Rüstsatz and Umrüst-Bausatz kits.
Add more ordnance options to the F-8; there are many.
Add standard LA-5 (not the FN), add an early La-7 (ours is a later model, IIRC), and the Yak-9K.
Add earlier Ki-61 (an Otsu model would work well, could give an option to change the armament to the Hei setup as well).
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I just really wish HTC would stop adding "new" new planes, and start fleshing out what we already have.
Split the 190A8 into early and late versions, ditch any uparmored versions, cover armament with Rüstsatz and Umrüst-Bausatz kits.
Add more ordnance options to the F-8; there are many.
I too think the 190A-8 could be "split", it cant be much difference than what the P47D-25 and P47D-40 represent. Right?
The 190F-8 certainly does have more options, it is a shame HTC does not max out the options it is able to model. The biggest option the 190F-8 is missing is the ability to carry 8/50kg bombs (4 under fuselage and 4 on wings).
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I too think the 190A-8 could be "split", it cant be much difference than what the P47D-25 and P47D-40 represent. Right?
The 190F-8 certainly does have more options, it is a shame HTC does not max out the options it is able to model. The biggest option the 190F-8 is missing is the ability to carry 8/50kg bombs (4 under fuselage and 4 on wings).
What would you do with these little bombs? :headscratch:
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What would you do with these little bombs? :headscratch:
Two can kill a Panzer. And they're more flexible than rockets, even if they have less theoretical maximum damage.
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Look at the K/D ratio that perked fighters had for the last decade. Consistently the Spit XIV stood out for not having a perk plane like K/D ratio. Even the Ta152 always had better than the Spit XIV before it was unperked all those years ago. The F4U-1C, F4U-4, Me163, Me262 and Tempest have always demonstrated that they are properly perk planes, props, hairdriers and rockets being irrelevant. The Spit XIV being unperked in no way moves any of the others towards being unperked.
The tag of "Spit" stands in the way of the Spit14. It is different enough from the rest of them to justify a new name, like the tempest and the typhoon or the 190s and the Ta152. Too many players roll the 14 and fly it completely wrong because they think it is an uber spit - it is an uber not-spit. Also, it is funny when you realize that someone has selected the 14 in the hangar by mistake thinking it is the 9 or 16 that are before/after it in the list. I have many times seen players trying to roll a 14 from a capped field and getting vulched - repeatedly.
The unperking does move the arena into later war because it adds another very fast plane to the roster and makes it impossible to perk the La7/109k/47MN etc. The 14 deserved to get unperked on basis of "fareness" but it pushes the arena in the wrong direction - IMHO. There is a slow upwards speed crawl in the average MA bird. In AH1 a P47D was considered a relatively fast plane as it could outrun the turnier burds like the spits and was only a tad slower than the carrier planes like the F4u. Now the common spits 8/16/14 are faster than the common spits we used to have (the 5/9 even the super 5 we had), we have planes like the KI84, the F4Us got faster with the F4U1A and even the other P47s you encounter are all M/N except the occasional D40 which is used as a bomb truck.
But lets not get carried away, the effective difference will be extremely marginal since this will not convert masses from early to late war planes. Real spit enthusiasts will be found in one spit or another anyway. The noobs will be in the 16 anyway if they choose a spit. The two weekers will be in the 16 due to the higher version number. Those that want speed will be in 109K/La7/P51, not the 14. The 14 is the choice for the few who like to Boom & Zoom++ and that can ignore its "spit" label in how they fly it.
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Yesterday I was run down twice by Spit14, making me turn ( much like a 262 does for runners) for other turny planes to chew me up.
The problem now, much like Bozon said, is you have to treat every single spit in the rear mirror as a spit14, whereas before you could
outrun them spit16. ie you need alt advantage to survive in a A8 now, pressing up the altitude higher for the 1944 brick.
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Yesterday I was run down twice by Spit14, making me turn ( much like a 262 does for runners) for other turny planes to chew me up.
The problem now, much like Bozon said, is you have to treat every single spit in the rear mirror as a spit14, whereas before you could
outrun them spit16. ie you need alt advantage to survive in a A8 now, pressing up the altitude higher for the 1944 brick.
Just like you have to treat every 190 like a dora/152, treat every F4U like a -4 or -C, every Tyhp like a Tempest, every 109 Like a K4, Every Pony like a D. I fail to see how this is different? On the deck EVERY one of the planes I just said can run you down faster then a Spit 14 can. And almost everyone of them have a slower sister plane that has the same Icon until 700.
The spit 14 is only <15 mph faster at most alts under 10k vs a Spit 16. On the deck without Wep an A8 will only be 4 mhp slower, and with WEP 10mhp. An A8 though has double the WEP so when the spit runs out in its 5mins, the A8 has 4mins to pull away at around 20 mhp... so in a tail chase the spit would only catch you with a lot more E or started 1.5 or less behind you. otherwise you would simply run it out of WEP and fuel.
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The tag of "Spit" stands in the way of the Spit14. It is different enough from the rest of them to justify a new name, like the tempest and the typhoon or the 190s and the Ta152. Too many players roll the 14 and fly it completely wrong because they think it is an uber spit - it is an uber not-spit. Also, it is funny when you realize that someone has selected the 14 in the hangar by mistake thinking it is the 9 or 16 that are before/after it in the list. I have many times seen players trying to roll a 14 from a capped field and getting vulched - repeatedly.
That argument was used for years to justify the Mk XIV's perk status. It holds no water that the same argument pointed at the Bf109K-4, La-7 or P-51D does not also hold.
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What would you do with these little bombs? :headscratch:
May I suggest you try using these "small" bombs for anti gv work, de-acking, taking out OBJ (it takes 2), etc. They get the job done easier than most know with a lot less weight and drag.
Try the La's with their wee little bombs vs gv's. F4F as well. ESPECIALLY vs soft armored gv's, they do wonders. I'm using the Mossi with the 4/250 lb bombs more and more vs g'vs too, the 1000 lbs in weight savings is nice for the quick climb out.
Oh, I think adding the 190F-8 holistically accurate ability to carry 8/50kg bombs would A: add something that AH currently does not have (single engine plane w/ 8 bombs); and B: be used more than one thinks. The 190F-8 has the ability to take out 4 ord bunkers with the 8/50 kg bombs rather easily (it can use the 12/Pb1 rockets we well).
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May I suggest you try using these "small" bombs for anti gv work, de-acking, taking out OBJ (it takes 2), etc. They get the job done easier than most know with a lot less weight and drag.
Try the La's with their wee little bombs vs gv's. F4F as well. ESPECIALLY vs soft armored gv's, they do wonders. I'm using the Mossi with the 4/250 lb bombs more and more vs g'vs too, the 1000 lbs in weight savings is nice for the quick climb out.
Oh, I think adding the 190F-8 holistically accurate ability to carry 8/50kg bombs would A: add something that AH currently does not have (single engine plane w/ 8 bombs); and B: be used more than one thinks. The 190F-8 has the ability to take out 4 ord bunkers with the 8/50 kg bombs rather easily (it can use the 12/Pb1 rockets we well).
One cannon round takes out an ack gun. And buildings and several GV types also (m8, m18, wirby, etc) take just a fe cannon rounds. But I might try it. Extra weight won't help fighting against air cons though and if cannons can do the job... why bother?
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Just like you have to treat every 190 like a dora/152, treat every F4U like a -4 or -C, every Tyhp like a Tempest, every 109 Like a K4, Every Pony like a D. I fail to see how this is different? On the deck EVERY one of the planes I just said can run you down faster then a Spit 14 can. And almost everyone of them have a slower sister plane that has the same Icon until 700.
The spit 14 is only <15 mph faster at most alts under 10k vs a Spit 16. On the deck without Wep an A8 will only be 4 mhp slower, and with WEP 10mhp. An A8 though has double the WEP so when the spit runs out in its 5mins, the A8 has 4mins to pull away at around 20 mhp... so in a tail chase the spit would only catch you with a lot more E or started 1.5 or less behind you. otherwise you would simply run it out of WEP and fuel.
You only have to get to 600-800 yards out (if your plan was not to overtake it :cool:), at that distance Hispanos shreds any fighter plane, so in effect you need 2k or more distance.
The la-la's looks like they need 400-600 shooting distance to shoot off horsontal stab, but close in even faster.
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One cannon round takes out an ack gun. And buildings and several GV types also (m8, m18, wirby, etc) take just a fe cannon rounds. But I might try it. Extra weight won't help fighting against air cons though and if cannons can do the job... why bother?
You're in an F8; if you're flying clean, you're doing it wrong. And the 8x bombs would probably be less weight than the 500kg bomb and 12 PB1 rockets.
Besides, the main reasons I want the 190F-8 updates are that it could carry 2x 250kg bombs (and perhaps 1x 250kg bomb on the centerline. There is a severe lack of evidence both for and against). It could also carry a 1000kg bomb centerline, it could carry a torpedo or 280mm air to ground rockets.
The 190 airframe was extremely versatile, and HTC has done a poor job of representing this. The A-5 could also carry 300L drop tanks and a 250kg bomb on the center, instead of just the DT on the center replacing the bomb. But it apparently precluded mounting the MG FF's in the wing.
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You only have to get to 600-800 yards out (if your plan was not to overtake it :cool:), at that distance Hispanos shreds any fighter plane, so in effect you need 2k or more distance.
The la-la's looks like they need 400-600 shooting distance to shoot off horsontal stab, but close in even faster.
Its worth noting that a light A8 could probably scissor with a Spit 14. Its not like you're completely out of options.
And for that matter, why must you be in an A8? An A5 will smack the crap out of your typical pilot trying to fly a spit 14.
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You're in an F8; if you're flying clean, you're doing it wrong. And the 8x bombs would probably be less weight than the 500kg bomb and 12 PB1 rockets.
Besides, the main reasons I want the 190F-8 updates are that it could carry 2x 250kg bombs (and perhaps 1x 250kg bomb on the centerline. There is a severe lack of evidence both for and against). It could also carry a 1000kg bomb centerline, it could carry a torpedo or 280mm air to ground rockets.
The 190 airframe was extremely versatile, and HTC has done a poor job of representing this. The A-5 could also carry 300L drop tanks and a 250kg bomb on the center, instead of just the DT on the center replacing the bomb. But it apparently precluded mounting the MG FF's in the wing.
Lol when's the last time you actually flew
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you can outscissor the spit14 one time, if the spit14 has any brain, he will yoyo up and come down again at you guns blazing, since you cannot pullup worth sh*t even with max trim in the A8 you can not follow him anywhere since the A8 has the worst possible E retention in the game, you are out of options except roll at the deck.
Well if you meet the low-time spit14 or any plane that think high yoyo is a new drink, you might have a chance.
Best chance is if you have 350+ mph and can dive to 450, spit lock up in roll.
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you can outscissor the spit14 one time, if the spit14 has any brain, he will yoyo up and come down again at you guns blazing, since you cannot pullup worth sh*t even with max trim in the A8 you can not follow him anywhere since the A8 has the worst possible E retention in the game, you are out of options except roll at the deck.
Well if you meet the low-time spit14 or any plane that think high yoyo is a new drink, you might have a chance.
Best chance is if you have 350+ mph and can dive to 450, spit lock up in roll.
Assuming the first thing you do is roll, yes. But I'm simply saying a light A8 isn't helpless against a Spit 14. And the majority of Spit 14's will be flown relatively poorly, untill it develops its core following.
When he's approaching danger close, flip around, he might maneuver away from what looks like a HO, fearing that you'll be packing 30mm's. And if he doesnt.... well, barrel roll to avoid his guns, and he'll lose more E flipping around than you will with your roll.
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You're in an F8; if you're flying clean, you're doing it wrong. And the 8x bombs would probably be less weight than the 500kg bomb and 12 PB1 rockets.
Besides, the main reasons I want the 190F-8 updates are that it could carry 2x 250kg bombs (and perhaps 1x 250kg bomb on the centerline. There is a severe lack of evidence both for and against). It could also carry a 1000kg bomb centerline, it could carry a torpedo or 280mm air to ground rockets.
The 190 airframe was extremely versatile, and HTC has done a poor job of representing this. The A-5 could also carry 300L drop tanks and a 250kg bomb on the center, instead of just the DT on the center replacing the bomb. But it apparently precluded mounting the MG FF's in the wing.
Man-oh-man I'd love to see additional load-outs for the F8. I, and I'm sure many others, would fly it far more often if it did. Heck, I've killed GV's with the little bombs on the LA; having 8 to drop would be pure awesomesauce!
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Just like you have to treat every 190 like a dora/152, treat every F4U like a -4 or -C, every Tyhp like a Tempest, every 109 Like a K4, Every Pony like a D. I fail to see how this is different? On the deck EVERY one of the planes I just said can run you down faster then a Spit 14 can. And almost everyone of them have a slower sister plane that has the same Icon until 700.
The spit 14 is only <15 mph faster at most alts under 10k vs a Spit 16. On the deck without Wep an A8 will only be 4 mhp slower, and with WEP 10mhp. An A8 though has double the WEP so when the spit runs out in its 5mins, the A8 has 4mins to pull away at around 20 mhp... so in a tail chase the spit would only catch you with a lot more E or started 1.5 or less behind you. otherwise you would simply run it out of WEP and fuel.
Every 190 you meet IS a dora and every 109 you meet IS a K4 - those are very likely assumptions. Your F4U and Tempest analogies are not as good because -4, C and Tempest are perked and rare. There are a heck of a lot more -1,-1A and D models of the F4U flying around.
15 mph on th deck is a very big difference, especially when it comes with perhaps the best acceleration in the game.
That argument was used for years to justify the Mk XIV's perk status. It holds no water that the same argument pointed at the Bf109K-4, La-7 or P-51D does not also hold.
I did say that because the K4, La7 and P51D are not perked, the 14 does not deserve a perk tag. However, in my opinion, unperking the 14 was the wrong direction - the K4 and La7 should have been perked together with the 14.
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EI did say that because the K4, La7 and P51D are not perked, the 14 does not deserve a perk tag. However, in my opinion, unperking the 14 was the wrong direction - the K4 and La7 should have been perked together with the 14.
As long as the 51D remains unperked, and it cannot be perked because it is "THE "P-51D, the Greatest Fighter of the War and All American Symbol of Triumph in the Skies!", perking the K-4, La-7 or Spitfire Mk XVI are nonsensical.
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Unperked Mk.XIV, eh?
Looks like I'll get to hear the sound of that Griffon more often.
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I'm not seeing hoards of XIV.
The few I do are mostly struggling to figure out why it won't fly like an 8 or 16. A few others are using it as a picking bird. I go anywhere in an XIV I get followed home by an La7, spit16 or 2, a Tempest and an A6m to gang me while I'm low on fuel and cannot afford to fight because the griffon will suck out the last drops the moment I hit WEP. Or 6 of their friends show up 10k above me eventually to make sure climbing is not an option.
Guess no one got the word it isn't perked anymore. Or is the word out to punish all XIV and show them they ain't chit? I get ganged now worse than when it was perked. Also by the time you burn enough fuel to start flying like a spit8, it's time to RTB fuel. I'm not suggesting people avoid you to help you burn up your fuel then follow you home. It kind of feels that way sometimes. I'm still playing with the tank burn nuances to balance getting there, loiter, ACM, and RTB.
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I'm not seeing hoards of XIV.
Just a momentary snaphsot, so I'm not going to put it in my stats thread
Relative Usage of the Spitfire family (excl. Seafire) in the past 36 hours:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/sshot_zps238ee9c6.jpg)
By the way, still hoping someone will put up the new ENY/perk list (AH wiki?)... :pray
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New Perk Prices:
262 = 200
B29 = 100
Tiger II = 100
Ae234 = 50
Me163 = 50
Tempest = 50
F4U-1C = 20
F4U-4 = 20
Mossi B = 20
Tiger I = 20
Panther = 15
Firefly = 4
T34/85 = 2
M4A3 = 1
M18 = 1
I verified ENY modifier was 1.00, and for the record I watched it go to .95 and the price of the Me262 went to 210 and the Firefly was unchanged at 4 though the F4U's went from 20 to 22. I will get the ENY and OBJ values for you in a day or two. In the mean time keep your bonnet on. :)
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Every 190 you meet IS a dora and every 109 you meet IS a K4 - those are very likely assumptions. Your F4U and Tempest analogies are not as good because -4, C and Tempest are perked and rare. There are a heck of a lot more -1,-1A and D models of the F4U flying around.
15 mph on th deck is a very big difference, especially when it comes with perhaps the best acceleration in the game.
I did say that because the K4, La7 and P51D are not perked, the 14 does not deserve a perk tag. However, in my opinion, unperking the 14 was the wrong direction - the K4 and La7 should have been perked together with the 14.
They're not THAT rare I shot down a f4u-4 in my Hurri I just yesterday!
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Every 190 you meet IS a dora and every 109 you meet IS a K4 - those are very likely assumptions. Your F4U and Tempest analogies are not as good because -4, C and Tempest are perked and rare. There are a heck of a lot more -1,-1A and D models of the F4U flying around.
15 mph on th deck is a very big difference, especially when it comes with perhaps the best acceleration in the game.
I did say that because the K4, La7 and P51D are not perked, the 14 does not deserve a perk tag. However, in my opinion, unperking the 14 was the wrong direction - the K4 and La7 should have been perked together with the 14.
The point is, i handle the 16s and the 14s differently. Up til now, i just cant go wrong expecting every spit icon to be a monster turner, very steady, moderately fast aircraft - the spit14 can turn too, but can be suckered badly in the scissors, aaaand its FAST.
Under 10k, the la7 is a lot better aircraft than both the K4 and the Spit14. But perking them might result even more timidity. I know it does not affect you, but it does affect me as all i want is just a good turnfight and many of them already just run.
:cry
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New Perk Prices:
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I verified ENY modifier was 1.00, and for the record I watched it go to .95 and the price of the Me262 went to 210 and the Firefly was unchanged at 4 though the F4U's went from 20 to 22. I will get the ENY and OBJ values for you in a day or two. In the mean time keep your bonnet on. :)
Very nice, thank you :rock
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I don't play very much anymore, but last night I went to try the AvA's current setup. However somebody "won" the war just as I got into my Mossie's cockpit. Seeing as the AvA doesn't play friendly with winning the war I jumped over to the MA. Located a field near some action and chose my direction to take off from. I expected to find myself in a Mossie again, but for some reason I was in a Spitfire Mk XIV. The last time I recall using the Mk XIV was months ago, but what the heck it had full fuel and a drop tank, so off I went.
The fighting was not really much to speak of. I found myself with another Rook or two against a bunch of reds, two Bf109s (G-14 and K-4), two Fw190s, three Spitfires (a IX and two XVIs), an La-7 and an A-20. Well, I pretty much suck and wasn't able to generate shots on the reds very much, though I did put holes into the Bf109G-14 where after he was out of the fight. Pilot wound I suspect based on where I hit him, we were near an enemy field so he would easily have made it away. The difference for me was that through all of this I was surviving, even when I was down to being the last Rook in the area that I could see I was still able to survive, though I was off to one side by that time, with just the two Spit XVIs close below me. I engaged the Spits and took some light hits that did no more than punch holes in my wings, but I was unable to get angles on them, and then 30 seconds into the fight with the two XVIs my WEP ran out. I thought that this was not a good thing and wasn't inclined to try using a heavier fighter against two XVIs that now had a higher E state. Having about 3000ft of altitude to work with I went into a gentle dive and just left the two Mk XVIs behind, even though I was on MIL. They gave the usual long range parting shots, but scored no hits.
It was nice not to be the focus of suicidal enemy attacks trying to kill the perk plane. As for the Spit XIV, it is very heavy compared to other Spits, but also markedly more survivable I think. If I'd flown my Mossie into that I have no doubt I'd have been shot down well before my WEP ran out, and because of my throttle use I was probably engaged heavily for seven or eight minutes before WEP ran out.
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Unperked Mk.XIV, eh?
Looks like I'll get to hear the sound of that Griffon more often.
I logged on yesterday, saw 7 spits, 6 of them XIV's and one 9. :aok
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One cannon round takes out an ack gun. And buildings and several GV types also (m8, m18, wirby, etc) take just a fe cannon rounds. But I might try it. Extra weight won't help fighting against air cons though and if cannons can do the job... why bother?
The world is a really small place for you, isn't it? One of my favorite quotes from a movie applies here, it is from the movie "Platoon". In the scene where Chris Taylor walks in to the smokey bunker and King grabs his arm and hands him a joint, King says to Chris "Its real simple. Ya free yo mind and your donut will follow." I suggest you at least attempt to see the bigger picture, things are not so simple as grabbing an Lgay7 and de-acking a field or else the US, RAF, Germans, Japanese, and Italians would have all done it after they had designed their own Lgay7.
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I think thats great news "didnt even know till now". I always liked the Spit-14.
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I think thats great news "didnt even know till now". I always liked the Spit-14.
And what exacly prevented you from flying one before?
...if you are about to say "perk cost", please tell us how many perk points do you have.
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And what exacly prevented you from flying one before?
...if you are about to say "perk cost", please tell us how many perk points do you have.
I have been playing AH for 10+ years and I currently have enough points for 1x262 and nothing more. All perks lost due to an unfortunate name change and on/off playing a few years back. So it's totally possible the perk cost is a factor for many others also.
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And what exacly prevented you from flying one before?
...if you are about to say "perk cost", please tell us how many perk points do you have.
The "Please gangbang me" tag made it not fun. It didn't have the speed to survive that tag.
I find it funny, and revealing of bias, that the unperking of the Ta152H-1 (which was a much more successful perk plane) raised no objections at the time, just some "What about the Spit XIV?" posts.
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The "Please gangbang me" tag made it not fun. It didn't have the speed to survive that tag.
I find it funny, and revealing of bias, that the unperking of the Ta152H-1 (which was a much more successful perk plane) raised no objections at the time, just some "What about the Spit XIV?" posts.
the Ta152 should not have happened either, but that is just my opinion. The "Please gangbang me" tag is a mixed blessing - I enjoy the fact the the enemy come to me instead of running away from me.
I have been playing AH for 10+ years and I currently have enough points for 1x262 and nothing more. All perks lost due to an unfortunate name change and on/off playing a few years back. So it's totally possible the perk cost is a factor for many others also.
I returned to the game a year ago and since I accumulated a few thousand perks with nothing to spend them on except on 262s that I use to chase other 262s, or for lolz missions with the LD gang. If the cost was 2 perks, would that still be unfordable?
My argument is not specific to the Spit14 as there are quite a few planes I'd perk before the 14.
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Bozon,
The P-51D is probably not able to be perked, even at a cost of 1, for business reasons. That makes perking all of the other late war stuff moot.
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I have close to 12k perk points, so the perk point expendable is not an issue for me.
Flying around in a perked bird does just not do it for me if we are not doing a 262 mission for a reason.
Usage will not be less in A8 in the future unless they remove the outer guns (30mm and 20mm) or increase the weight of the plane by another 1000lb, and still 4 times more 51d happily fly around ...
what I'm trying to say is ENY does not impact usage of a plane unless its like ENY 5, with current arena settings
Why not perk it, if HTC wants a plane to have a lesser usage.
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I logged on yesterday, saw 7 spits, 6 of them XIV's and one 9. :aok
I was on yesterday in 2 large ongoing furballs, one against the bish and one against the nits, seems 30-40% of each furball was spits, but all I saw were 16s and 8s. Did get an achievement for shooting down so many spits in a 190 tho.
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The "Please gangbang me" tag made it not fun. It didn't have the speed to survive that tag.
I find it funny, and revealing of bias, that the unperking of the Ta152H-1 (which was a much more successful perk plane) raised no objections at the time, just some "What about the Spit XIV?" posts.
The "please gangbang me" tag is actually reserved for the P-40. Anyone who thinks that their respective ride gets undue enemy dogpiling should take out the Warhawk for a few sorties. :uhoh
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The "please gangbang me" tag is actually reserved for the P-40. Anyone who thinks that their respective ride gets undue enemy dogpiling should take out the Warhawk for a few sorties. :uhoh
I have. Mossie has it worse. Spit XIV had it even worse.
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<Bill Lumbergh voice> "Yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there."
The Mossie is a juicy target, but has very dangerous guns and way more speed to distance you from the crowd. The P-40 is so slow and the climb and acceleration are atrocious - it can't get away until every single enemy in icon range is dead. The only plane that draws more attention is the 262, followed by the Tempest. Both of those only get caught if they screw up.
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a low 110c ....
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Umm... P-38G/J/L = Strongest redguy magnet in the game. This is not up for debate. :)
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a low 110c ....
Save, you know for us, the biggest red magnet is the La La. Nothing makes us cheer more than killing the ultimate dweeb ride.
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I'd have to say the biggest "kill me" tag belongs to the 262. People will drop whatever they are doing to dive at a 262 even if there is a full 1000yds of lateral displacement.
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Umm... P-38G/J/L = Strongest redguy magnet in the game. This is not up for debate. :)
:rofl
Not even close. And I have spent a good amount of time in the P-38.
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I returned to the game a year ago and since I accumulated a few thousand perks with nothing to spend them on except on 262s that I use to chase other 262s, or for lolz missions with the LD gang. If the cost was 2 perks, would that still be unfordable?
My argument is not specific to the Spit14 as there are quite a few planes I'd perk before the 14.
You returned to the game a year ago and probably racked more hours in 1 month than I have in the past 2 years. I lost literally thousands of perks due to a name change and after that I haven't really been able to get them back. When I played so much to get perk points I didn't need perk rides to survive. Now that I play so little that I need perk rides to survive I can't afford them anymore. This is the thing I've always said about perks - it gives negative returns.
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:rofl
Not even close. And I have spent a good amount of time in the P-38.
I said this is not up for debate! Thanks.
:neener:
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You returned to the game a year ago and probably racked more hours in 1 month than I have in the past 2 years. I lost literally thousands of perks due to a name change and after that I haven't really been able to get them back. When I played so much to get perk points I didn't need perk rides to survive. Now that I play so little that I need perk rides to survive I can't afford them anymore. This is the thing I've always said about perks - it gives negative returns.
Not always. I used to keep about 500-1000 GV perks on hand. What I would do is save them until I could afford to lose multiple panthers or tigers to keep our take a base I really liked the fights at.
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I said this is not up for debate! Thanks.
:neener:
No debate. Just stating a fact. :p
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Umm... P-38G/J/L = Strongest redguy magnet in the game.
Yesterday 4 cons dove right by a Tempest that was higher to attempt to gang me. This statement is entirely true!
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Bozon,
The P-51D is probably not able to be perked, even at a cost of 1, for business reasons. That makes perking all of the other late war stuff moot.
Why? Other online sims you practically have to BUY yourself into something survivable or earn your way. This is one of the only games I've seen that you can plop yourself right into the cockpit of the game's most survivable aircraft/tanks/harware
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Yesterday 4 cons dove right by a Tempest that was higher to attempt to gang me. This statement is entirely true!
Well, that's because they would have to waste time climbing. You've obviously not flown against Dodger lately. He's always gone after the easy-sleazy planes no matter what alt :neener:
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Why? Other online sims you practically have to BUY yourself into something survivable or earn your way. This is one of the only games I've seen that you can plop yourself right into the cockpit of the game's most survivable aircraft/tanks/harware
Well, I could be mistaken about the consequences, but there have been an awful lot of forumers over the years who have said that they would quit if the P-51D was controlled in anyway and many a tantrum when ENY took it away. More recently we've seen ENY discussions where P-51D fans make suggestions to have its 5 ENY only for when you load bombs and rockets and a 15 or 20 ENY when unladen, in other words trying to reduce the minimal controls on it that do exist.
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Most people who fly the P-51D don't even know how to use it, so it's usually an easy target. I don't see why there's a fuss over it not being perked, considering a Mustang usually means free perks for the rest of us.
Besides, it's satisfying to kill Mustangs with a Zero.
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There is one main reason why the P-51D isn't perked, it does not unbalance the game play in any way.
ack-ack
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Yes, I loooove teh P-51. Please do not remove it from the hands of noobs.
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There is one main reason why the P-51D isn't perked, it does not unbalance the game play in any way.
ack-ack
It would if all of the other planes people keep suggesting be perked actually got perked. As it is, none of the planes people keep asking to be perked unbalance game play.
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It would if all of the other planes people keep suggesting be perked actually got perked. As it is, none of the planes people keep asking to be perked unbalance game play.
If that's the definition of why planes get perked, the only real planes that cause that kind of unbalance are 262s and 163s because when they are flying, they are the only ones playing. Everyone else is watching and dodging, lmao.
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Just a momentary snaphsot, so I'm not going to put it in my stats thread
Relative Usage of the Spitfire family (excl. Seafire) in the past 36 hours:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/sshot_zps238ee9c6.jpg)
By the way, still hoping someone will put up the new ENY/perk list (AH wiki?)... :pray
Keep in mind that 95% of the guys flying 16s believe it's better then a 14 because it has the bigger number :)
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Keep in mind that 95% of the guys flying 16s believe it's better then a 14 because it has the bigger number :)
And for those guys spi16s probably are better planes :)
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I prefere the 16 over the 14 for overall control. It turns beautiful nice speed and stall fights like a dream.
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And what exacly prevented you from flying one before?
...if you are about to say "perk cost", please tell us how many perk points do you have.
Nothing. I didnt say "perks" prevented me from flying it. I just didnt understand why it was perked. Or why IT was perked and not the 16. The Spit-16 is a more useful airplane for most of the conditions in the MA. I felt the same about the 152.
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Spit 14 free? Wishes really do come true - see y'all in the unfriendly skies.
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The A-20 is a nice enemy magnet. It is my favorite to fly out of fields that are getting overwhelmed by a horde.
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Nothing. I didnt say "perks" prevented me from flying it. I just didnt understand why it was perked. Or why IT was perked and not the 16. The Spit-16 is a more useful airplane for most of the conditions in the MA. I felt the same about the 152.
The Ta152 is the least forgiving 190 there is. Ammo load is decent, and most people don't know how to aim with the 30mm's.
I personally think it fine where it's at.
But for the spit 16 then yes I agree. ......give it a perk value of....mmm say 5ish.