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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: save on June 15, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
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In short I want a separately icon for spit14s now after this plane have been unperked.
Close to 50% of the spits I see now are spit14's.
The unperked spit14 is definitively a game-changer, if I do not have 300mph and 10k to go in my A8, flying alone, i get chased down and killed if the guy knows what he is doing, since spit14 much like the la7 eats you alive, doing everything better but roll with you.
The only way get rid of them spit14's I found out is to get up to about 480mph and turn away, they fortunately lock up early in roll,compared.
A8 lost much of its value in Main Arena, and after HTC decided to lower ENY I guess usage will much lower than before, since the pig even have a worse value now.
Of all planes this TOD that shot me down, spit14 are dominant with 3 kills, and p51 with its weaker guns only got me twice, (once in a AFK). normally a p51 have trouble killing an A8, only chewing parts of you rolling at the deck, whereas spit14s shreds your horizontal every time (same as the 3 gun la-7)
Dora/152s are unfortunately flyable to me with their one-ping-spinner-radiator leak.
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What about the K4? Its better turn/acceleration/speed then the A8, and a tater will kill an A8 easy.
And the Dora and 152 are both quicker, and turn better then the A8 too... will they get new Icons, so we can find the slower A8 & A5s easier?
P-38L better have a new Icon too. Its got a 20mm cannon, 2 engines the Greedy yanks, and its faster. If we had a different Icon, then when the P-38G shows up, you know you can out run it with WEP. always good to know.
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Spit14 does have a separate icon you just have to get closer to see it :devil
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I'd much rather see a Spit 14 coming after me than a Spit 16, 9, or 8. The 14 can climb and it is the fastest Spitfire, but there are still MANY planes that outrun the Spit14, and out turn, and are far more stable and forgiving.
The Spit 14 is not what so many think it is. It is a tough plane to fly and it is outclassed under 15k by the Spit16 in so many ways, AND the areas in which the 16 lags behind the 14 the differences is too close really to say the 14 is superior. If the 16 has an ever so slight amount of extra E than the 14, it will do just fine.
Relax. I have no fear of the Spitfire 14, no one else should either. The Spitfire 16 is still the most deadly and capable plane in the sky for ACM's throughout most altitudes.
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:ahand :D
I'd say -1
purely because the same applies for a 190, If I'm thinking it is probably a dora, won't break turn much and then I see it is some guy shooting his full load from 1000-800 yards with his tracers off in an A8 and he gets a lucky hit I have no advance warning either.
I would agree with bud and say a 14 is an easy kill especially in the average guys hands. When needing to force an overshoot the 14 could be one of the easiest planes to do it against because it is so fast and you need to use that against them and the fact that it is very squirrely to shoot with when pulling any sort of G or trying to change direction when slow.
Against a good stick in a 14 your screwed anyway so you might aswell fly something else or get in the DA and learn some more moves to increase your chances of survival.
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The spit14 is the least troublesome spitfire. They are crazy unstable at low speeds, have the worst turn of all the spits, and the only amazing thing about them is their speed and climb. With a skilled pilot at the controls a Spit14 can be trouble, but the same goes for the 190A-8 aswell. Every single plane can kill every other plane. No plane is exempt from this rule, it's the pilot that makes the difference.
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The spit14 is the least troublesome spitfire. They are crazy unstable at low speeds, have the worst turn of all the spits, and the only amazing thing about them is their speed and climb. With a skilled pilot at the controls a Spit14 can be trouble, but the same goes for the 190A-8 aswell. Every single plane can kill every other plane. No plane is exempt from this rule, it's the pilot that makes the difference.
Fought a stall fight in a ta152 against a spit 14 and won :x
I suck in 152's :old:
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Personally I love playing the "guess the spit" game. Wanna know what kind of spit it is? Get in good and close for a little tussle. So far this tour, Ive killed 2 spit 16s, and 1 each of the others. I got killed by 2 spit 14s before I really started paying attention to which kind of spit I was dealing with, as Ive been seeing a lot more of em at high altitudes.
So, upon flying at 10 - 15k in a F4u1-A, I came across a spit co alt, I avoided the ho, dipped under him, up and over, saw it was a 14 and he was zooming up higher than me for the advantage, so I got my nose down and started a spiral staying just outta his guns to the deck. I mopped the floor with him. If i could tell that it was a spit 14 from afar, it wouldn't have been nearly as much fun. :joystick:
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I'd much rather see a Spit 14 coming after me than a Spit 16, 9, or 8. The 14 can climb and it is the fastest Spitfire, but there are still MANY planes that outrun the Spit14, and out turn, and are far more stable and forgiving.[/quote]
So what your are saying is I change plane or die happy ?, true but the A8 days are over if you do not fight with wingman in the A8 now, and if you do CH200 gets the better out of you.
The Spit 14 is not what so many think it is. It is a tough plane to fly and it is outclassed under 15k by the Spit16 in so many ways, AND the areas in which the 16 lags behind the 14 the differences is too close really to say the 14 is superior. If the 16 has an ever so slight amount of extra E than the 14, it will do just fine. spitfire 16 outclass the A8 to a degree that only their mistakes are my fortune, I can run, and they cannot catch me, spit14 also outclass me and also run me down, given the spit14 is not a newbie or an idiot or both
Relax. I have no fear of the Spitfire 14, no one else should either. The Spitfire 16 is still the most deadly and capable plane in the sky for ACM's throughout most altitudes.
if you fly a equal / better plane, I agree, the arena has changed to early 1945 arena now, that is the difference.
Against a good stick in a 14 your screwed anyway so you might aswell fly something else or get in the DA and learn some more moves to increase your chances of survival.
I know most tricks in the book, I've been a trainer 11 years in another game created by Hitech and Pyro. Like I said, the arena has changed to a large degree for some 1944 birds
Was accused of cheating when I tried to pull up at 330mph chased by Pervert the other day, you know the bird just don't want to pull up, it does a perfect rolling scissor, losing 100mph in a second, and lag I guess makes it a hard target, maybe I should only fly straight, since roll is cheating now ???
ENY 20 was the final insult to the A8 IMO.
I guess either I spend my 12k perkies on German iron, fly with a wingman, or quit, until they fix the one0303-ping-spinner-hit-radiator gone in the Dora/152.
The real 4400kg A8 that documents already posted for will never ever happen in AH. We will fly with the up-armoured pig that does not give you any more protection than the 4400kg did, and also doing ACM in the A8 just look you stupid trying.
This will probably be my last post in Hitech forum, my love for this game, has deteriorated so much since the update, only your friends keep you here now
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Sorry to say this but asking for separate icons so you can decide wether to run or not is a bit daft, most planes have the same icons until you get close like others have mentioned and tbh the spit 14 aint that good at all aslong as you fly your ride well you should not have to worry about others as you wont be in a situation to need to know what type of plane it is until there in your guns. Personally I love the spit 14 being free now when im in my spit 16 im not worried about it being a spit 5 or 9......
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That almost sounds as if there are nothing but Spit 14's all over the place now... very odd that kills and deaths doesn't show that.
In the past 48hours, Spit 16 had still twice as many kills and deaths as the 14, and still significantly higher K/D as well. And the other Spits are currently still in use as well.
ENY 20 was the final insult to the A8 IMO.
It seems more like you feel being insulted personally. ;)
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Yeah it does make it sound a bit like that I agree although it isn't on that scale I am seeing quite a few spit 14s knocking about instead of them all being 16,9,8
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save,
Why are you special? Why is the Fw190A-8 special? Why should a change that impacts you (it impacts the Mossie too, fwiw) require your requested change? As a Mossie driver the Bf109K-4 and La-7 pretty much mean I die unless they are incompetent or I start with the E advantage. The Spit XIV is also in that category, along with a number of others, but I see no reasons the Spit XIV ought to be singled out for a new icon.
As to the Fw190A-8's ENY, it was being abused. Its usage was far too high for the ENY that it had. That means it was being used for perk farming. Personally I think the Mossie's ENY is higher than its capability warrants, but it doesn't see much use so its ENY stays high.
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Save is just a die-hard trying to represent the a8 properly, how could you blame him?
While the game does not need to suddenly change because he says so, maybe there is some truth in this situation?
Like the whole radiator business? Seems a bit dodgy that such late war birds would suffer from such pointless mechanisms, like instant oil leaks?
Would of figured they had up-armoured them enough after all their experience with bombers to account for those kind of situations, to a degree.
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Save is just a die-hard trying to represent the a8 properly, how could you blame him?
He isn't even trying to step back and see the big picture.
I am a Mossie fan, but I still recommended its ENY be reduced. HTC didn't do it, but I thought its capability warranted a lower ENY because the way I saw the big picture it didn't fit in with the other ENY 30 airplanes. Usage is apparently weighted higher by HTC than it is by myself.
The radiator thing is a separate issue, and that one I do think is valid. That seems more like a bug report to me.
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Every single plane can kill every other plane. No plane is exempt from this rule, it's the pilot that makes the difference.
Yeah, true. But the choice of plane makes for a much heavier factor that pilot "skill". Put the newest of the new in a P51D, and the best of the best in a Ki-43 Oscar. Also, I'd like to see some of the "aces" take up the P40C vs a just out of training still wet behind the ears greenie in a Spit16 and see how things go. The plane has to do more with the "success" of the score and rank mongers in AH than most people will admit. Otherwise, we'd see a lot more 190G-2, Yak-9U, Spit V, Ki-61 Tony, and P38G, etc, "aces" in the LW arena.
But otherwise yes, the Spit14 is the easiest of the Spit's to deal with, I agree.
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It is the Spit8 that bothers me the most. It is the plane of the officianado. Noobs tend to climb into the 16 or 14. Those in the 8 know why they strapped it on and fly it thusly. Noobs strap on the others because they are "ubber." My A5 loves 14s.
boo
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Dora/152s are unfortunately flyable to me with their one-ping-spinner-radiator leak.
Yupp this needs to get fixed.
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On a serious note let's revisit the weight of the A8. I have read the documents showing the model in AH is too heavy, the real A8 was several hundred pounds lighter. Let's fix that as a starter.
There is a reason why Cpt Brown, HMRN (Brit Royal Navy) listed the best bird of WW2 was the 190, tied with the Spit. Has AH responded to the documents on the A8 weight issue? If so, why will they not address them? If not, why will they not?
Boo
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A lighter A8? Yes please! I'd switch to the A8 at that point.
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The real 4400kg A8 that documents already posted for will never ever happen in AH.
A-8's current take off weight matches the take off weight which is given documentation you mentioned. And that weight happens to be 4391,7 kg. So the A-8 in AH already weighs what you wish it to weigh.
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A-8's current take off weight matches the take off weight which is given documentation you mentioned. And that weight happens to be 4391,7 kg. So the A-8 in AH already weighs what you wish it to weigh.
so what is with all the gripes about A8?
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I think the gripe is the lack of armour to go with that weight; while the weight is modelled; the armour of it is not (is the claim of the situation).
So they are saying they want one without the armour, because the a8 doesn't appear to take anymore damage then an a5, thus the a8 would be properly represented if that were to occur.
(Basing it off of the history I know of the topic/subject)
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i love seeing the Spit14, I break one way and i watch it flop all over the place and line up for an easy kill
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Hitech please have the specific fighter ID portion of the Avatar tell "save" and all of us the exact model of aircraft a bit farther away with specific abbreviations. Say 3k. Then keep them or change to the current close range names. I can attest flying the spit14, inside of 3k separation, A8's have a very hard time of it. But, then I was having to fight my own spit5\9\8\16\14's, 109's, ponies, p47's, F4U's, yaks and almost everything else to get the kill on A8's these days below 12k.
Maybe there is something to this weight thing. I keep running into A5 pilots who run rings around my spit8\16\14 and make me work my kester off to get rounds on them. While the A8 seems to dive well, roll well, and do great high speed loops better than the spits until they run out of E.
So how does an A8 with 25% fuel DA against an A5\D9\spit9\spit8\spit16\spit14 with 75% fuel meeting coalt at 10K? Isn't that about the amount of the "Weight Issue" in MA terms?
Suggestions for 3k Avatar name.
spt1
sfr2c
spt5
spt9
spt16
spt8
spt14
tif
temp
hur1
hur2
hurD
Shur
Mos
Bfe
BfF
Bfg2
Bfg6
Bfg14
BfK4
410
110c
110g
fw5
fw8
fw9
fwf8
262
163
87g2<---A8's have lost HO's to me. Evil A8 killer.
51b
51d
47n
47m
4740
4725
4711
40c
40f
40n
39q
39d
38g
38j
38l
And so forth.
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I like not knowing the exact model until you are up close. I would think in real life guys had to be pretty close to see the subtle differences between some models. They probably had a pretty good idea of what model they should be running into, but lots of versions came out over the course of the war and it makes for interesting first contact stories.
Regardless, if I'm in the wrong plane at the wrong speed when I meet a XIV its less cause for concern than many other models. I like that its getting used more and I expect there will be more folks learning it resulting in it becoming a bigger threat than its viewed now. I've only flown it a few times and I can see it being a very dangerous plane when flown with patience and skill. I totally lack one and possess only a little of the other so its not the plane for me.
AMAX