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Title: Me410 + FDSL 131/1B remote-operated turret
Post by: Myg on June 17, 2013, 04:59:24 PM
The FDSL 131/1B remote-operated turret, from what I hear (reading the manual on the net some time ago). Mentioned that the gun system would automatically adjust the guns or gunsite to align for the current speed of the plane.

What exactly did they mean with that?

Did that mean the turrets would make slight adjustments to the AoA in order to compensate for something? If this mechanism were to be disabled/broken or not properly operated, would it of caused the particular encounter (that is mentioned quite often, to my eyes) between the spitfire and the 410 where the gunner hit nothing but air after firing all his rounds? (You have karnak to owe for this one).
Title: Re: Me410 + FDSL 131/1B remote-operated turret
Post by: Charge on June 19, 2013, 04:34:29 AM
When you shoot off axis from your flight vector you have to have either a adjustable sight system, which the FDSL did not have AFAIK, or a set distance where the gun and the sight are calibrated to compensate for the speed of the aircraft so that the more the gun is pointed off vector the more compensation the sight adds towards flight vector. The input values that change are then the gun angle and velocity of the plane. And what would complete the system would be the input for the distance of the target, or alternatively you can just use the set maximum effective range of the gun which would generally be OK as long as the angle from you flight vector stays small. When the angle gets bigger and the target gets closer the error is also amplified.

This kind of system was in computerized form in B29, along with a gun position control, and it can be crudely done also with a mechanical system.

You can compare this to early wind-vane sights which were meant to compensate for airspeed when you were shooting sideways. I do not have details of the FDSL system but I'd imagine that it works with this principle, with or without the distance input, which would still generally be better than what the gunners of the era were capable of without any sighting aids.

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Title: Re: Me410 + FDSL 131/1B remote-operated turret
Post by: Myg on June 19, 2013, 06:44:38 AM
Ah, nice! Is this sort of thing modelled in AH for the B29?

Title: Re: Me410 + FDSL 131/1B remote-operated turret
Post by: Charge on June 19, 2013, 02:39:12 PM
No, there are no computing sights in AH planes. Also some fighters had these in the end of WW2 (P51, 109K4, Me262) and they were considered to improve aerial gunnery pretty much in high speed turning fights.

But of course the difference is that the fighter version compensates the movement of the gun platform in 3 dimensions whereas the bomber version presumes that the platform does not maneuver and only compensates for the movement vector.

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