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Title: Question
Post by: olds442 on June 20, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
Why is the lancaster 10 eny when the b17 is 20 eny ._.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: RedBull1 on June 20, 2013, 12:34:44 PM
Are you looking at ENY or OBJ?
Title: Re: Question
Post by: olds442 on June 20, 2013, 12:36:22 PM
Are you looking at ENY or OBJ?
ENY, i tried to fly one today but i couldn't due to it being "12 or lower" when i looked it was at 10, LWMA
Title: Re: Question
Post by: uptown on June 20, 2013, 12:36:45 PM
The Lancs carry more ord
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Post by: Arlo on June 20, 2013, 12:44:26 PM
That is rather odd, considering neither is a perk plane.

Screen shots from 2 minutes or so ago:

(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/B17screenjune20_zps5f8551d9.png)

(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/lancscreenjune29_zpsf22b4ed4.png)

ENY isn't 'cost' .... right?
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Lusche on June 20, 2013, 12:49:14 PM
That is rather odd, considering neither is a perk plane.


All planes and GV a subject to the ENY limiter, not just perk planes.
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Post by: gyrene81 on June 20, 2013, 12:50:16 PM
ENY isn't 'cost' .... right?
no sir, it's not.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Arlo on June 20, 2013, 12:58:39 PM

All planes and GV a subject to the ENY limiter, not just perk planes.

What does it have to do with Olds having his Lanc grounded? The only thing I
can think of is ords disabled at his field -  but the message would have said that.
What is this '12 or less ENY' disabling? Does that mean that numbers may actually
ground a 0 cost plane in late war?!
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Triton28 on June 20, 2013, 01:01:15 PM
What does it have to do with Olds having his Lanc grounded? The only thing I
can think of is ords disabled at his field -  but the message would have said that.
What is this '12 or less ENY' disabling? Does that mean that numbers may actually
ground a 0 cost plane in late war?!

That is precisely what the ENY limiter is for.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: gyrene81 on June 20, 2013, 01:03:03 PM
What does it have to do with Olds having his Lanc grounded? The only thing I
can think of is ords disabled at his field -  but the message would have said that.
What is this '12 or less ENY' disabling? Does that mean that numbers may actually
ground a 0 cost plane in late war?!
that is how eny works. if population numbers on 1 country are at a disadvantage within a predetermined percentage, then eny kicks in.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Dragon on June 20, 2013, 01:08:31 PM
The defensive capability of the B-17 vs the bomb load shouldn't make it a 20 when compared to the same on the Lanc at 10 though, in my opinion.  B-17 at 15 would be more appropriate.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Arlo on June 20, 2013, 01:10:39 PM
that is how eny works. if population numbers on 1 country are at a disadvantage within a predetermined percentage, then eny kicks in.

Huh. And I figured it only popped the perkie birds, FTMP. Must be a rare blue moon
on a fifth week with the planets aligned for the arena to wompyjaw itself enough
to flatten lanc tires.

(I just checked and it let me place some on the RW.)




Title: Re: Question
Post by: gyrene81 on June 20, 2013, 01:12:23 PM
Huh. And I figured it only popped the perkie birds, FTMP. Must be a rare blue moon
on a fifth week with the planets aligned for the arena to wompyjaw itself enough
to flatten lanc tires.

(I just checked and it let me place some on the RW.)
check the population number and switch to the highest population country...you will see the eny at work.


then again, considering the switch time limits...it probably isn't worth exploring at this point.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Arlo on June 20, 2013, 01:14:17 PM
check the population number and switch to the highest population country...you will see the eny at work.


then again, considering the switch time limits...it probably isn't worth exploring at this point.

Twas my perspective.

(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/rooks55_zps5e6d2db2.png)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Lusche on June 20, 2013, 01:16:35 PM
Huh. And I figured it only popped the perkie bird


Well, with an ENY between 2 and 5 (in case of planes) that's the simply first ones to be grounded. Higher limits happen less often than lower.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Arlo on June 20, 2013, 01:18:55 PM

Well, with an ENY between 2 and 5 (in case of planes) that's the simply first ones to be grounded. Higher limits happen less often than lower.

Aye. Just a surprise to me as well as a revelation. I honestly thought the cost 0 trumped the perk
balancing engine. But I am not at odds with this, to be honest. I rather like it.  :)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: uptown on June 20, 2013, 01:23:28 PM
I have a related question: The other day in the DA I noticed the 109G14 had a ENY of 30 while the 109F was 2o IIRC. In my opinion, and most others as well I'd think, the G14 is a much more capable plane then the F model. So why the higher ENY for the G14. I found that strange. I know ENY makes no difference in the DA but I'm assuming the ENY mirrors LW when all numbers are equal.  :headscratch:
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Post by: Lusche on June 20, 2013, 01:26:03 PM
I have a related question: The other day in the DA I noticed the 109G14 had a ENY of 30 while the 109F was 2o IIRC. In my opinion, and most others as well I'd think, the G14 is a much more capable plane then the F model. So why the higher ENY for the G14. I found that strange. I know ENY makes no difference in the DA but I'm assuming the ENY mirrors LW when all numbers are equal.  :headscratch:

As you say, ENY has no function whatsoever in DA, so the actual numbers are totally irrelevant there. Could be 995 vs 1, it wouldn't matter. So I would not try to find a "higher purpose" in that numbers. ;)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Arlo on June 20, 2013, 01:27:15 PM
As you say, ENY has no function whatsoever in DA, so the actual numbers are totally irrelevant there. Could be 995 vs 1, it wouldn't matter. So I would not try to find a "higher purpose" in that numbers. ;)

But wouldn't the ENY in the DA mirror the ENY in all arenas?
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Lusche on June 20, 2013, 01:28:39 PM
But wouldn't the ENY in the DA mirror the ENY in all arenas?

That would be impossible, as ENY values are different between the different arenas, each has it's own set. :)
Title: Re: Question
Post by: uptown on June 20, 2013, 01:30:29 PM
But wouldn't the ENY in the DA mirror the ENY in all arenas?
there's no way it could as the ENY standard for each arena is different. I figured they would only mirror LW because the DA includes the complete plane set as opposed to the EW and MW arenas.
Title: Re: Question
Post by: Arlo on June 20, 2013, 01:35:11 PM
That would be impossible, as ENY values are different between the different arenas, each has it's own set. :)

Ok, LW, then. I believe the question is mainly about the potential disparity there.  :)