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Title: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Hap on June 25, 2013, 03:23:02 PM
Be kind.  I am an abyss of ignrance.  Opine and inform about the Skyraider.

From my not knowing was it near to be last piston engine bird for military ops?
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Hap on June 25, 2013, 03:31:52 PM
Don Douglas, think DC-3's etc
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Zacherof on June 25, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
Saw one at an airshow, sucker is massive. 4 20mm guns, could lift like 12k in ords.

Troops loved the plane, due to it's loiter time and the fact they were able to get right next to them
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Puma44 on June 25, 2013, 10:44:31 PM
At this year's Heritage Flight Conference.

(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac270/puma44/de6a6a066acfa0d99ba95ebc8cafa2a3_zps0b9a74cc.jpg)

(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac270/puma44/8cfad8c5ff4f1c54f62a268246a5aa5b_zps314bdddb.jpg)

(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac270/puma44/cd83b7018808e06ed36caaad25f0eefd_zps675107a2.jpg)

(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac270/puma44/21b54c6a2ab58c7c50ea266bd6e44d7a_zps954f0184.jpg)

(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac270/puma44/IMG_7612.jpg)

(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac270/puma44/IMG_7611.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Nypsy on June 26, 2013, 11:07:15 AM
And she is a MIG killer...

http://vnafmamn.com/Skyraider_vs_MIG17.html
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: cpxxx on June 26, 2013, 11:17:42 AM
Impressive. If that ordnance was real. I'm sure it would sit a bit lower on those oleos.
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Fud on June 26, 2013, 12:42:45 PM
I thought I read or heard it at an airshow that it could carry more ords (weight) than a B-17 or something along that.
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: gyrene81 on June 26, 2013, 01:00:38 PM
I thought I read or heard it at an airshow that it could carry more ords (weight) than a B-17 or something along that.
a-1h 8000lbs of ords...b-17g 8000lbs normal range, 17,000lbs short range overload.
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Gixer on June 27, 2013, 12:13:08 AM
Great photos of an amazing aircraft, thanks for sharing.   :salute


<S>...-Gixer
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Puma44 on June 27, 2013, 11:42:07 PM
Impressive. If that ordnance was real. I'm sure it would sit a bit lower on those oleos.
I've got a picture somewhere of two guys carrying one of the 500 pounders across the ramp.  In reality it probably weighs much less.  Kinda funny watching them stroll along with it.  I'll post if I can find it.
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: icepac on June 28, 2013, 02:33:04 AM
This is the doomsday loadout.


(http://www.midwaysailor.com/midwayva25bomb/va25specbomb-001b.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Puma44 on June 29, 2013, 12:18:20 AM
Crankin' the beast!

(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac270/puma44/6465e5e71e6d5dcc39a9a494d31e75cc_zps6b3ec90b.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Rich46yo on June 29, 2013, 07:36:14 AM
Even if that was a real B61 why would it also have standard ords?


This is the doomsday loadout.


(http://www.midwaysailor.com/midwayva25bomb/va25specbomb-001b.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: expat on June 29, 2013, 08:24:55 AM
the toilet is a standard weapon ???
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Puma44 on June 29, 2013, 10:21:43 AM
Even if that was a real B61 why would it also have standard ords?
Where do you see a B61?     ....and no.

(http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac270/puma44/0d0ffa5d3810b7b78432a53c22405543_zps246d08f3.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Rich46yo on June 29, 2013, 10:27:46 AM
Where do you see a B61?     ....and no.

The "Doomsday" implication. And yes it does look like a B61. Im assuming you know what a B61 is. Its not an airplane.
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: icepac on June 29, 2013, 11:32:46 AM
Skyraider carried the MK7 nuke.

The "doomsday" loadout was a toilet in that I was implying germ warfare.

What's really funny is that the guy who developed the "labs" or "lob bombing" was named "Jack Ryan".

Here is a picture of it loaded under a A4 skyhawk much like as depicted at the beginning of "the sum of all fears"..........a movie who's main character was "jack ryan".

coincidence?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/A-4B_with_Mk_7_bomb_on_cat_USS_Saratoga.jpg/757px-A-4B_with_Mk_7_bomb_on_cat_USS_Saratoga.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Puma44 on June 30, 2013, 01:46:48 AM
Wow!  Never heard of the Spade carrying a nuke.  As great of a plane that it is, it wouldn't be able to get out of its own way after delivering a nuke.  Nukes are best delivered at 500kts plus.   :salute
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: icepac on June 30, 2013, 11:06:58 AM
You get a protective eye patch you wear before the blast.

A few guys discussed simply moving the patch over the other eye on the way home.

Some of the helmets had gold mirror and some canopies were gold.

(http://www.salimbeti.com/aviation/images/helmets/aph7-04.jpg)

They found the easily scratched gold goggles to be a better idea as you could lift you normal visor and put the much cheaper goggles on for a nuke specific mission.

(http://www.flightgear.dk/pic/g635_01.jpg)

Now they use gold canopies to reflect radar because the round surface of the canopy gives a smaller radar signature than if the radar gets into the cockpit and bounces around before exiting.

(http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/military-aviation/24948d1303319651-chinese-5th-gen-fighter-photo-aviation-week-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Puma44 on June 30, 2013, 11:22:27 AM
I'm not so sure an eye patch would be much help for a Spad pilot after delivering a nuke.  The EMP and shock wave would be the issue.  :salute
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: icepac on June 30, 2013, 03:33:04 PM
The nuke the A1 carried was a "dial a yield" weapon.

It was designed to take out the biggest air bases and military complexes and detonate at 200 feet from the ground.

The skyraider had much of it's pylons and other drag inducing equipment removed and was to perform a descent to net near 400mph as it egressed until it reach NOE which allowed it to break line of sight to the nuke.
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Puma44 on June 30, 2013, 08:58:41 PM
Did you fly or crew them, Icepac?  You've got a lot of great info.  400 kts in a prop driven ride just doesn't sound comfy.  We did B61 deliveries at 500kts and once it was away planned on max burner in run away mode.   :salute
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Puma44 on June 30, 2013, 09:03:16 PM
The "Doomsday" implication. And yes it does look like a B61. Im assuming you know what a B61 is. Its not an airplane.
What is it that looks like a B61?  Not sure what you were referring to.  Yes, I'm familiar with B61s.
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: icepac on June 30, 2013, 11:49:26 PM
Dad flew them in combat and was also in a skyraider nuke squadron before he was in a A4 skyhawk nuke squadron.
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: Puma44 on July 01, 2013, 12:10:44 AM
Dad flew them in combat and was also in a skyraider nuke squadron before he was in a A4 skyhawk nuke squadron.
Cool, he got fly some great rides.  Any idea if they ever did any live drop tests?
Title: Re: Donald's Skyraider
Post by: BuckShot on July 02, 2013, 01:59:28 PM
What's that side door all about? If it's for access only, why put in a window?