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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: earl1937 on July 03, 2013, 02:30:31 PM
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:airplane: When approaching a flight of 3 bombers, flying on a constant heading and constant altitude, which is the best angle to approach to get the most accurate firing solutions, in a fighter?
Where should I aim to obtain maximum damage with the least amount of ammo expended?
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Shoot'em in the face.
Come at them head on and unload into the driver's eyeball.
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http://www.1jg51.net/jg51/LwTactics.html
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Fom 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock are really good. Diving directly over the bombers gives you a great angle
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:airplane: When approaching a flight of 3 bombers, flying on a constant heading and constant altitude, which is the best angle to approach to get the most accurate firing solutions, in a fighter?
Where should I aim to obtain maximum damage with the least amount of ammo expended?
The USN advocated either the 'over head' or 'beam' attack when engaging bombers, with the over head attack being the preferred method. This was adopted by USAAF fighter units flying in the PTO and was quite effective in engaging Japanese bombers.
When I engage bombers, I use the 'over head' attack, which I've found to be the most effective way of engaging bombers while minimizing the dangers as much as possible. Which bomber I'm engaging determines where I'm aiming.
When I engage B-24s, I am for the engines because of the ease in catching the engines on fire. Against Lancasters and B-17s, I aim for the wing root since a solid burst is enough to remove the wing. B-26s I find to be a little tough, the wings don't come off easily if you hit the wing root and the engines can take a surprisingly large amounts of damage before they catch fire. Also, their speed is enough to throw off the over head pass if you're not aware of the B-26s energy state. So against the Marauder, I dive in at a high angle and speed and aim for the cockpit area. The B-26 is usually the only bomber where I need to make 4 or maybe even 5 passes to kill the formation. For the German bombers, well, you really just need to hit them anywhere with a solid burst and don't need to aim at any specific critical areas. For Japanese bombers, wing root and engine areas or anywhere on the wing if its the Betty.
ack-ack
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I like to fly parallel with the bombers. One I get a little bit ahead with enough speed (1K away and at least 350mph), turn into them, and aim the nose right where they'll fly into. Bombers don't move so it's nearly impossible to miss. With a cannon armed fighter, you can easily get all three in one long burst. They literally fly into your bullet stream, and you rake the entire bomber formation from nose to tail. Plus, most bombers don't have side guns, and the ones that do can only train 3 pairs of MGs at you if you come in completely level with them. Works best with cannon armed fighters of course, but definitely not recommended if you have only MGs since they can't pull off the same amount of damage.
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If you know exactly where the aim such as the fuel tanks or the cockpit for example you could take out a bomber with a really short burst. Also remember the angles which the type of bomber your attacking can't get you, or angles that are difficult for the gunner. Combine that with speed and you should be able to take them down with practice.
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For Lancasters attackin from below works well since they have no ball turret, if u have enough E u can roll over at the top and come in from above.
I try to aim for the engines or cockpit on all bombers.
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I like to fly parallel with the bombers. One I get a little bit ahead with enough speed (1K away and at least 350mph), turn into them, and aim the nose right where they'll fly into. Bombers don't move so it's nearly impossible to miss. With a cannon armed fighter, you can easily get all three in one long burst. They literally fly into your bullet stream, and you rake the entire bomber formation from nose to tail. Plus, most bombers don't have side guns, and the ones that do can only train 3 pairs of MGs at you if you come in completely level with them. Works best with cannon armed fighters of course, but definitely not recommended if you have only MGs since they can't pull off the same amount of damage.
favorite way to engage with a 262
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HO tards.
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I prefer a vertical drop from above. Tougher for the bomber to get a solution against you, and exposes a lot of juicy targets to aim at. Especially the wing root.
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I like to fly parallel with the bombers. One I get a little bit ahead with enough speed (1K away and at least 350mph), turn into them, and aim the nose right where they'll fly into. Bombers don't move so it's nearly impossible to miss. With a cannon armed fighter, you can easily get all three in one long burst. They literally fly into your bullet stream, and you rake the entire bomber formation from nose to tail. Plus, most bombers don't have side guns, and the ones that do can only train 3 pairs of MGs at you if you come in completely level with them. Works best with cannon armed fighters of course, but definitely not recommended if you have only MGs since they can't pull off the same amount of damage.
Hmm... Well, if you wish to continue with this method, then by all means. I'll thank you in advance for the easy kill though. :)
favorite way to engage with a 262
Last 262 I ran into tried to make a similar attack. Let's just say that 262 was a very taste-y treat. :t
I prefer a vertical drop from above. Tougher for the bomber to get a solution against you, and exposes a lot of juicy targets to aim at. Especially the wing root.
I find the vertical drop from above and slightly in front to be a solid method. While a bit tougher to get into position, when there is alt to play with, it's works nicely.
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Hmm... Well, if you wish to continue with this method, then by all means. I'll thank you in advance for the easy kill though. :)
Last 262 I ran into tried to make a similar attack. Let's just say that 262 was a very taste-y treat. :t
I find the vertical drop from above and slightly in front to be a solid method. While a bit tougher to get into position, when there is alt to play with, it's works nicely.
Been playing for almost 2 years (well a bit longer than that actually), since then I've either used this method or just slashing attacks from high 2 and 10 oclock positions. Haven't failed me since. :)
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Been playing for almost 2 years (well a bit longer than that actually), since then I've either used this method or just slashing attacks from high 2 and 10 oclock positions. Haven't failed me since. :)
I'm going to admit that I will use this move depending on bomber and whether or not the gunner I'm dealing is has any experience. 1st attack will generally tell me this. But it is a solid tactic. :aok I myself find it fairly easy to knock down an attacker using your method is all. :)
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I come in from high and above, never coming closer than 1.0 or 1.5 out unless I'm making a pass or extending out of one. Always between a 45 and 90 degree angle both in front and above. I generally try to fire down the spine, coming nearly straight down, then roll and extend forward. If I have enough energy, I make repeated passes without stopping in this fashion until it's expended, then climb back up to do it over again. Pretty successful... I'm 29:0 against Lancasters this tour.
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Once you try to HO buffs, it immediately becomes apparent that the "HO" complaints in the main arena should be blamed on both parties.
It's not easy to truly get a dead on ho on buffs but I do recommend you get around 4k in front of them before turning if you want to try it.
If your closure rate is insane, dead six works far better than most think.
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thing with that is less surface area to shoot at :old:
Coming from high 6 gives you more leverage but alas, each to his own :salute
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Once you try to HO buffs, it immediately becomes apparent that the "HO" complaints in the main arena should be blamed on both parties.
When faced with an enemy, you can turn in and try to merge, or run away. The former gives you a chance. When you are trying to engage someone in a dogfight and all they want to do is HO, that's frustrating.
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The other night, I had a dead on HO opportunity with a bomber for the first time I can remember since I started this game.
For grins, I decided to make it as straight on as I could. I dove and leveled in front of him. All I saw was -o- in front of me, I was pretty much perfectly inline with his fuselage. He saw me all the way in though, and we both caught a face full of bullets.
I find to be safest attacking bombers, you want to introduce as many different elements into his shot as possible. Attacking from high, or if you have smash, low, and between the 2 and 4 lines or 8 and 10 lines gives him the most problems to solve to hit you, as he needs to lead you and also account for the change in impact point from his plane's lateral (relative to the gun) motion.
Nowhere is truly 'safe' if he sees you all the way in, but the more factors you can give him to work out, the better your chances are I find.
If I'm feeling lazy/having a bad gunnery night, I'll just come down from almost straight above them as a second choice. The top shelf gunners will sometimes eat you doing that though.
Wiley.
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I would rather have enemy fighter try a HO or a level attack from the side or rear. Taking out the up/down compensation equation makes it that much easier to hit them. I have yet to take out an enemy fighter in a HO with the He111's though. I've tried, but no cigar yet. :D
I had the fight of my life while in HE111's yesterday (mid afternoon CST). While RTB'ing from enemy strats at 20,000ft I had a 109K-4 intercept, he was approaching from my 11 O'clock at near co-altitude. The rate of closure was fast so I hopped in to the front 20mm and turned in to him for a HO. He was smart and went high but then came down at my 10 O'clock which was smart because I didn't have a shot from my front guns, only my left side gun (single .30 cal). As he went on by I could see he was firing only his 13mm. I pedaled as fast as I could to get towards allied airspace but he was simply too fast. Thing is though, he came right in on my dead six and at 800 I opened up with just the lead bomber's ventral .30 cal turret peppering him (I don't fire all guns until they are inside 600 yards especially at the straight away shots). After peppering his nose he dove away and gained some E then climbed out, each time coming in with lots of E to within 400 yards from both high and low dead six positions but not landing a kill shot on any of my bombers (I lost multiple control surfaces, including vertical stabilizers, and all but the forward guns were knocked on on the lead bomber), but I was able to land enough hits with the .30 cals to oil and kill his engine, take off enough control surfaces, and keep his gunnery shakey enough that he broke off the attack. He was able to land on a dead engine, but after watching the film I learned who it was and I consider myself lucky. I was able to get the ammo factory down to less than %70 from %100, and the AAA factory down to %92 from %100, all with the 8/250kg bombs. Not a bad run, really. :)
The ironic thing is after surviving all that I ran out of fuel and bailed about 4 sectors from an allied field. :rofl
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Screenies? :)
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This is from the "Battle Over Germany" scenario, Frame 6...
(http://kenshelby.us/images/bog-frame-6-pic-01)
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This is a short video of my style of killing bombers, as mentioned in the last post on the previous page. In this video, taken on 7/15 of the large Knight strat raid of B17s and P51s against the Bishops, first myself, followed shortly thereafter by Flyman92, each take down a B17 in one pass from straight above the formation, diving down and firing along the spine.
Check out this video of Flyman92 and I killing two B17s (make sure to watch in HD):
original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAOx4L4hOY8
old style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB5mg7gm9iw
:salute :O :aok