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Title: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: 5PointOh on July 14, 2013, 01:21:26 AM
My wish:  Any airplane with ENY 5/10 have some perk cost.  Currently we have multiple GVs that have a low ENY obj and cost a small amount of perks.  Perhaps the same should be done for airplanes; I would suggest anything ENY 5 and less would have a perk cost of 5 perks and anything ENY 10 to ENY 5 cost a perk or 2.

Just my wish; Flame away.
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Volron on July 14, 2013, 01:32:52 AM
So...yeah...I...wha???


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Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: 5PointOh on July 14, 2013, 01:39:12 AM
Great argument, I'll put you down as a +1.
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Tinkles on July 14, 2013, 05:30:14 AM
So...yeah...I...wha???


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Pretty much he's saying that the rides that are most flown/have da powah, should have a slight perk price added to them. Since he didn't clarify as to why I will assume ( :uhoh ), that it is to help deter players from upping all the lower ENY planes and perhaps going to a higher ENY plane? 

Personally, while I don't fly the lower ENY planes those who do get me lots of perkies  :devil , but if they were flying lower ENY planes well... not so many  :cry.

Half and half, so no + or - from me.

Tinkles

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Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Karnak on July 14, 2013, 08:24:35 AM
Sorry, I have to disagree.  I think it would have an excessively negative impact on new player retention as they were blocked from the three most potent Spitfires and the P-51D, as well as less well known fighters such as the La-7 and N1K2-J that also make it a bit easier for new players to get into the game.

It would also have the negative effect of making anybody in a P-51D, La-7 or Typhoon even more timid while Spitfire and N1K2-J populations would plummet (some people would think this a good thing) due to their inability to run and protect their perks.  Bf109K-4, F4U-1a, F4U-1d, Fw190D-9, Ki-84, P-47M, P-47N, P-51B and Spitfire Mk IX populations would likely increase in percentage.  The MA population loss due to the P-51D being perked might be significantly large.

I do not think this would be good for the game.
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: caldera on July 14, 2013, 09:22:52 AM
What he said.  The timidity will only get worse.

One possibility might to be perk any 5 ENY ride that chooses to carry ordnance.  That way, the hordies can't steamroll fields with a dozen 51Ds and then hang around to vulch.  Well, they still could but it would be less common.
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: 5PointOh on July 14, 2013, 10:28:01 AM
Perhaps that's the better idea.  My thoughts were M4s and T34s are still pretty widly used at a low perk cost...so if ENY 5 planes they'd less often used for rolling bases every 6 min
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Triton28 on July 14, 2013, 11:45:49 AM
The GV argument is valid, I think.

How do new players learn to GV since the 'best' options (limited as they are) are perked at least to a small degree?  Couldn't the same thing happen to planes without turning all the new guys off?   :headscratch:

I think the best planes should have a cost to fly, but I agree we would be playing with fire in regards to timid play.  I don't GV very much so I have no idea if the tankers are timid with their T34's and other low perk tanks.
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Karnak on July 14, 2013, 11:47:55 AM
Tanks and fighters are not a one to one comparisons in the way they fight or the way their performances affect the way they fight.
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Lusche on July 14, 2013, 11:51:01 AM
Tanks and fighters are not a one to one comparisons in the way they fight or the way their performances affect the way they fight.


...and they way you can aquire the required perks.

For Gv perks, you can always do some resupply runs to towns hit by milkers, very quick perks without any risk. Easy way to get a few basic perks to be able to afford a low perked tank.
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Triton28 on July 14, 2013, 01:21:06 PM
Tanks and fighters are not a one to one comparisons in the way they fight or the way their performances affect the way they fight.

I assume you mean that it's much harder to get kills in the high ENY GV's than it is in the higher ENY planes?
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Karnak on July 14, 2013, 01:50:54 PM
I assume you mean that it's much harder to get kills in the high ENY GV's than it is in the higher ENY planes?
I meant a lot of things.  I was saying you cannot compare them directly and get results accurate to their use in the game.
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Triton28 on July 14, 2013, 03:25:06 PM
I meant a lot of things.  I was saying you cannot compare them directly and get results accurate to their use in the game.

I understood the statement you made, I just don't understand why you think the comparison is so flawed as to be useless.



 
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: guncrasher on July 14, 2013, 03:36:06 PM
My wish:  Any airplane with ENY 5/10 have some perk cost.  Currently we have multiple GVs that have a low ENY obj and cost a small amount of perks.  Perhaps the same should be done for airplanes; I would suggest anything ENY 5 and less would have a perk cost of 5 perks and anything ENY 10 to ENY 5 cost a perk or 2.

Just my wish; Flame away.

oh cool, we got 262's and b29's costing only 5 perks.  yay.


semp
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Karnak on July 14, 2013, 04:34:20 PM
I understood the statement you made, I just don't understand why you think the comparison is so flawed as to be useless.
Because the two are so different it what affects their use and how they earn perks and how learning them works that a direct comparison produces predominantly false data.  Basing any position on false data produces bad results.
Title: Re: Consistent ENY vs Perk Price
Post by: Triton28 on July 15, 2013, 07:24:43 AM
Because the two are so different it what affects their use and how they earn perks and how learning them works that a direct comparison produces predominantly false data.  Basing any position on false data produces bad results.

I was hoping you were going to give me some of those 'lots of things' you had in mind.   It's hard to have a discussion when someone is repeating the same thing.

Edit - Just to be clear, I really have no idea what makes the GV game so vastly different in regards to perks and ENY.  I'd really like to know what I don't know.