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Title: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on July 19, 2013, 04:19:03 PM
Well I finally got around to finishing this video. Enjoy this video were I talk you through the fights I engage in during one of my sorties. You might see a situation where you're always getting killed in, but I managed to avoid death. Watch what I do. Learn why the moves I pull work. See where I made a mistake and learn not to make the same mistakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STOQrHRUg0s&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Triton28 on July 19, 2013, 05:07:46 PM
Good stuff.   Thanks for putting this together.    :aok
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: xxIENAxx on July 19, 2013, 05:46:59 PM
GREAT Video!!!  Thank you very much, and please DO make more.  :salute





IENA
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Baloo on July 19, 2013, 08:22:18 PM
Nice video, really liked how you paused and took a minute to explain - very concise.  :salute
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Vudu15 on July 19, 2013, 08:55:18 PM
Nice video :)
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: BluBerry on July 20, 2013, 12:13:22 AM
Well I finally got around to finishing this video. Enjoy this video were I talk you through the fights I engage in during one of my sorties. You might see a situation where you're always getting killed in, but I managed to avoid death. Watch what I do. Learn why the moves I pull work. See where I made a mistake and learn not to make the same mistakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STOQrHRUg0s&feature=youtu.be
wtg nice job with the video Latrobe!!    :salute
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: kilroy on July 20, 2013, 05:49:13 AM
Very nice video, your narration during the flight is very helpful. Outstanding ACM.   I look forward to seeing more of these. :salute
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: surfinn on July 20, 2013, 07:34:58 AM
Very nice Latrobe.  :salute
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: LCADolby on July 20, 2013, 08:18:45 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: R 105 on July 20, 2013, 10:28:03 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Bludy on July 20, 2013, 11:41:03 AM
Nice! Keep em coming...  :aok
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: The Fury on July 20, 2013, 12:51:42 PM
Very nice job Latrobe, im presuming you have Track IR and rudder pedals? some of that stuff I don't think I could pull off with a twisty and hat switch that track IR seems to help so much im very tempted to purchase one for myself such smooth head movements and head tracking of targets. Also you never seem to miss that much when its me in your sights  :lol
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on July 20, 2013, 04:35:49 PM
Very nice job Latrobe, im presuming you have Track IR and rudder pedals? some of that stuff I don't think I could pull off with a twisty and hat switch that track IR seems to help so much im very tempted to purchase one for myself such smooth head movements and head tracking of targets. Also you never seem to miss that much when its me in your sights  :lol

Yup, I have the whole setup. X52 stick, CH Pedals, and TrackIR 4.  :D Trust me, the gunnery you see in this video is how I normally shoot. Most my kills are from scaring people into the ground.  :lol
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: GhostCDB on July 20, 2013, 05:25:24 PM
That darn Latrobe and those tailslides are deadly
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on July 20, 2013, 05:52:10 PM
That darn Latrobe and those tailslides are deadly


 :devil

For my next video I'm thinking I'm going to dedicate it to explaining the tailslide and how to perform it. I'm looking around for 2 video cameras to record my stick and pedal inputs, and then I'll start work on it.  :salute
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: kano on July 20, 2013, 06:25:22 PM
excellent informative video latrobe  :aok

EatG
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: steely07 on July 20, 2013, 07:49:27 PM
Really enjoyed that, keep them coming :)
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Schen on July 20, 2013, 07:58:11 PM

 :devil

For my next video I'm thinking I'm going to dedicate it to explaining the tailslide and how to perform it. I'm looking around for 2 video cameras to record my stick and pedal inputs, and then I'll start work on it.  :salute


 :aok :O :salute please do.
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: RotBaron on July 20, 2013, 08:26:24 PM
 :aok     :rock

Thank you.

Now I truly know I have no chance, and for quite some time to come. I'll have to revisit the TA.

 :salute
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: The Fury on July 21, 2013, 09:35:16 AM
:aok     :rock

Thank you.

Now I truly know I have no chance, and for quite some time to come. I'll have to revisit the TA.

 :salute

Yeah that's exactly how I felt after watching it that tailslide is very impressive I was messing last night trying to do it but I just look like a sad fish flopping about  :lol
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: GhostCDB on July 21, 2013, 12:28:01 PM

 :devil

For my next video I'm thinking I'm going to dedicate it to explaining the tailslide and how to perform it. I'm looking around for 2 video cameras to record my stick and pedal inputs, and then I'll start work on it.  :salute

Was watching you Tailslide in the P47 the other night as kids took the bait. . .I called on range "Latrobe is the jug, don't overshoot" . . . :old:
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Flench on July 21, 2013, 01:27:55 PM
 :aok
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on July 21, 2013, 06:22:16 PM
Was watching you Tailslide in the P47 the other night as kids took the bait. . .I called on range "Latrobe is the jug, don't overshoot" . . . :old:

 :lol I love the tailslide in the Jug. That thing responds so well! You can get it flying backwards, hold it there, and reverse back into forward flight whenever you please.  ;)   Of course that's a little exaggerated. If you hold it backwards for too long you stall and drop from the skies, but the controls still work even in a stall!
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: eeyore on July 22, 2013, 12:21:08 AM
 :rock

Most excellent video, I am horrible in 3v1 situations. Would love to see one of you doing mad pilot stuff in the jug. I am not worthy.  :airplane:
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Beefcake on July 22, 2013, 10:43:23 PM
Very nice video Latrobe, well presented and it gave me an idea of how to better think though situations.
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: homersipes on July 23, 2013, 06:07:44 AM
very good video :aok  I agree with beefcake, I see more how to deal more with more than 2 guys.  but I still end in tower :lol
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: deadstikmac on July 23, 2013, 02:58:11 PM
At 6:50 in the video I spot my con, I am at 12-13k. Ki-84 does not dive well. How do I dump all this alt, not break off parts and get a good saddle? The side slip.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-zUzvinuaCQ
 
the slip
Types of slip vary in degree from inadvertently flying cross-controlled in the cruise i.e. one wing slightly low and compensating with opposite rudder, to a fully-fledged cross-controlled turn where the aircraft is steeply banked in a descending turn with full opposite rudder applied. All slips result in increased drag. This is a manoeuvre only for the pilot who has a very good feel for his/her aircraft because, among other things, the ASI will probably be giving a false airspeed readout. There seem to be as many definitions of the types of slip as there are exponents of slip techniques but the safe execution of all sideslips requires adequate instruction and continuing practice.

The straight sideslip approach to landing

The 'helmet and goggles' crowd who, very sensibly, like to fly biplanes and other aeroplanes not equipped with flaps, need a manoeuvre for use on the landing approach to a short strip which enables them to lose height quickly without increasing airspeed and which provides a good view of the landing area. The answer is the cross-controlled straight sideslip which is a manoeuvre designed to lose height over a short distance, dumping the potential energy of height by converting it to drag turbulence rather than kinetic energy. Such sideslips may also be a requirement when executing a forced landing.

Once established on the approach descent path at the correct airspeed, the aircraft is banked with sufficient opposite (top) rudder applied to stop the directional stability yawing the nose into the relative airflow and thus turning. Slight backward pressure on the control column is probably needed to keep the nose from dropping. The aircraft sideslips in a moderate to steep bank with the fuselage angled across the flight path, giving the pilot a very good view of the landing area. The greatly increased drag from the exposure of the fuselage side surfaces to the oncoming airflow enables an increased angle of descent without an increase in the approach airspeed.

The sink rate is controlled by aileron and power is held constant – usually at idle/low power and the sideslip must be halted well before the round-out and touchdown. When recovering care must be taken to coordinate the relaxation of the back pressure, the levelling of the wings and the straightening of the rudder otherwise the aircraft may stall – particularly in turbulent conditions.

The straight sideslip is limited by the maximum rudder authority available, there will be a bank angle beyond which full opposite rudder will not stop the aircraft from turning.

The sideslipping turn

This is a very useful manoeuvre if it is necessary to increase the sink rate during a turn – such as the turn onto final approach in a forced landing when an overshoot of the landing site is apparent. It is just a sideslip where the bank applied exceeds the opposite rudder applied and the aircraft enters a sideslipping turn. The rate of turn and the rate of sink are controlled by the amount of bank and the amount of rudder, very high descent rates are achieved if the bank angle applied exceeds the full rudder authority.

Fishtailing

Fish tailing is a series of sideslips where the wings are held level in the approach attitude while the aircraft is repeatedly yawed from side to side by applying full alternate rudder. The increased drag increases the sink rate.

Sideslip to a crosswind landing

In a sideslip to a crosswind landing the aircraft is always banked with the into-wind wing down so that the sideslip can be smoothly decreased to a forward slip [see below] before the roundout. Most aircraft tend to be slower in the slip so the nose will need to be a bit lower than that needed to maintain the normal approach speed. A smoothly executed sideslip approach requires much practise but displays considerable finesse to a ground observer.
 






The Tail Slide & Side Slip all in one forum!  :banana:

 :cheers: Latrobe! Great video sir!
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Fulcrum on July 24, 2013, 09:11:06 AM
Excellent video.  Your stick skills never fail to impress and inform.  I still can't tailside the G2 for some reason....but found I could get the P39Q to do so while futzing around in the DA.    :airplane: :joystick:  :headscratch:

BTW....the video was uplifting for me as I realized after watching that I'm not the only "gunnery challenged" cartoon pilot in the game.   YAY ME! :banana:
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: DEECONX on July 25, 2013, 03:44:04 PM
Very cool.  :aok
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Shrike on July 25, 2013, 08:14:10 PM
Wow!!  That was a fantastic video  :aok.  I didn't count but you made a bunch of decisions.  I'll have to practice that tail slide.  You made that snap roll look easy  :rock.
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: FTJR on July 27, 2013, 07:47:50 PM
Enjoyed that, thanks Latrobe
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: F77 on July 31, 2013, 05:17:59 PM
Finally got around to watching it - great video!  :salute
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: mbailey on July 31, 2013, 06:29:27 PM
 " And I missed "  :rofl

Great vid Latrobe  :aok
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on July 31, 2013, 06:31:10 PM
" And I missed "  :rofl

Great vid Latrobe  :aok

If I could only aim well (along with several other things that are wrong) then I wouldn't die as much as I do.  :D
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: mechanic on July 31, 2013, 06:47:20 PM
one of the best tutorials I've ever watched, you should pot it in the training section

S!
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: mbailey on August 02, 2013, 05:44:23 AM
If I could only aim well (along with several other things that are wrong) then I wouldn't die as much as I do.  :D

Right there with ya my friend  :lol
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Flench on August 06, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
WE WANT MORE ....
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on August 06, 2013, 09:06:27 PM
Be patient. I'm half way done with the tailslide video.  ;)
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Flench on August 06, 2013, 09:08:52 PM
Be patient. I'm half way done with the tailslide video.  ;)
Oh cool !
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: BluBerry on August 09, 2013, 12:48:17 PM
Be patient. I'm half way done with the tailslide video.  ;)

I'm holding him up!  :uhoh

 :frown:

 :bolt:
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: SAJ73 on August 26, 2013, 01:45:15 PM
Great video Latrobe  :aok
Your 109 flying is outstanding I think, I am hoping to one day be handling a 109 just as elegant.

What if we get together for a few duels some time, then I can learn from one of the best and you can perhaps edit together some new tutorial from the material? Just an idea... I expect to be dead over and over many many times, but as long as I learn something from it.   :rock
I know you can't shoot, so that gives me an edge.  :D
But on the other hand, I can't shoot neither so there that edge went straight out the window..  :joystick: :rolleyes:  :bolt:
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on August 26, 2013, 02:50:40 PM
I always have a great fight against you in the MA. I'm not a fan of set duels. I prefer entering fights with as many unknowns as possible and trying to figure out how to win from there.

"Oh look, an F4U slightly higher than me. I don't know what his E state is, how he likes to fly, or even who he is, but I'm going to figure it all out very very quickly and then kill him." ... is how I like my fights.  :)


 :salute
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: SAJ73 on August 26, 2013, 03:32:47 PM
Yes, I know what you mean. I am the same way myself when I fly in MA, it is alot more exciting to never know what to expect from the other player. And alot of the times you end up in the best fights when you have to counter something totally unexpected, instead of just two planes head on to eachother on a beforehand agreed equal altitude merge.. I see your point, absolutely I do.

I have been flying mostly the K4 the last nights, trying to get a solid grip on that plane. And I had some truly heartbeating handshaking fights with vinkman also in a K4. We ended up fighting eachother sortie after sortie just the two of us, and I really enjoyed those fights. Wish I had filmed them, but I have a bad habit of deleting my films right after sortie ends.  :bhead

I remember the fights we had in the past, they usually didn't last very long before you killed me because you are that much better pilot than I am. But I am hoping to give you atleast a 5-6minutes of fun before you kill me the next time we meet.  :aok

But I always fly Rook, and from what I've noticed you have also been mostly Rook lately. So the chances we'll merge as bloodthirsty enemies in the virtual skies are rather slim I guess.  :)

Well, I am off to continue my K4 practice in the MA's right now. Got a couple of hours of quality time to spend right now.  :aok

 :salute
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on August 26, 2013, 04:01:16 PM
Good luck with the K4, that mk 108 cannon is a real pain to work with (for me it is anyways), but the K4 is just a good strong fighter that you can get away with missing some shots. If you haven't flown it yet you should try out the 109F4. It is by far the best dogfighter of the 109s. Good engine power, good speed, great climb, decent acceleration, and can definitely scare those spit pilots with its great turning performance.  :devil
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: pipz on August 31, 2013, 08:23:01 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Flench on September 12, 2013, 03:19:41 PM
MORE !
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on September 12, 2013, 03:59:44 PM
Maybe I should do another while I wait for people to send in film they wanted reviewed.
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: WEZEL on September 12, 2013, 06:02:41 PM
Maybe I should do another while I wait for people to send in film they wanted reviewed.

Yes please do  :salute
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: aztec on September 27, 2013, 03:57:14 PM
Encore Latrobe! :banana:
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on September 27, 2013, 04:06:27 PM
Encore Latrobe! :banana:

Have a few future projects I want to work on. Another one will be on the way at some point.

Going to do more Fight reviews (when I get more films sent in)
Someone wants me to do a "How to fight in the P-47" Which I might do for every fighter.
More fighter walkthroughs and gameplay footage.


I'm going to be busy!  :uhoh
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: eeyore on September 28, 2013, 06:16:19 PM
Have a few future projects I want to work on. Another one will be on the way at some point.

Going to do more Fight reviews (when I get more films sent in)
Someone wants me to do a "How to fight in the P-47" Which I might do for every fighter.
More fighter walkthroughs and gameplay footage.


I'm going to be busy!  :uhoh

+1 for the "how to fight (and not die) in the P47", something I cannot manage to do (though I was flying the D-11 model last night and managed not to die a few times).  :devil
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Fulcrum on September 29, 2013, 04:24:15 PM
Well... There is the tried and true "Dive to the deck at 6 gazillion miles an hour towards a friendly base" method.... But I'm not sure it would make a very good video.  :D
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Latrobe on September 29, 2013, 04:26:16 PM
The P-47 has a very well hidden secret. Very few people have heard of it, even fewer know it's true. To most it will sound like a crazy myth and completely fake, but the P-47 can dogfight!  ;)
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Fulcrum on September 29, 2013, 04:38:30 PM
The P-47 has a very well hidden secret. Very few people have heard of it, even fewer know it's true. To most it will sound like a crazy myth and completely fake, but the P-47 can dogfight!  ;)

No argument from me, bud. I was simply pointing out the usual P47 pilot one may encounter in the MA.  :devil

Try sissoring with one flown by a decent stick sometime if you don't believe him.   :bhead
Title: Re: Dogfight Walkthrough Video with a 3v1!
Post by: Getback on October 04, 2013, 03:51:32 PM
Very very nice!